NidalHasan
Martyrdom in Islam Versus Suicide Bombing
from rizkhan999 in Research, Humanities
from www.salafimanhaj.com
seangleeson:
NidalHasan: Just wondering, are you the same Nidal Hasan who murdered American soldiers at Fort Hood on Nov. 5, 2009?
patnone:
@Seangleeson....yeah I'm sure as soon as he gets out of the hospital, he'll head straight to the nearest computer to log on to Scribd.com to respond to your question from a post that is over a year old.
Idiot.
seangleeson:
@patnone: No, I was specifically wondering if this were a DIFFERENT NidalHasan. You see? (And the post is not "over a year old" anyway.)
@NidaIHasan: Clever. But of course you switched a capital I for a lower case L. I just thought I would point it out for the benefit of people who didn't notice your little joke.
digitaltrix:
I don't know who you are and it's obvious you're not the military personnel currently in custody being allowed access to Scribd but I have one thing to say:
digitaltrix:
Islam is a religion for all times and is nothing new in this world, it attracts it's followers due to a theology based around civil order, submission and accountability and peace unto oneself and others.
It saddens me deeply that you would put such information online and try and project what you have learned or hypothesized as anything relating to Islam.
digitaltrix:
You mention 'scholars' in your opinion but unfortunately you do not even quote one known scholar. Anyone who commits such a heinous act and takes even the body of one living animal let alone a human is deeply misled and will never be given peace in this life and beyond. Even during the time of Islam's spread when wars took place there were certain rules of engagement and due rights to POWs.
digitaltrix:
How dare you march in here trying to blend your unique thoughts with such a great religion and the words of something that is beyond your comprehension. I advise you if you are truly Muslim to seek mental help FIRST & then the Quraan and you will find peace IA. Stop this propaganda it is shameful for the world community.
sunira-chaudhri-500:
a horrible, unfortunate event. don't drag religion into this - or read more meaning into this post then necessary. It just contributes to speculation and the propaganda that the media thrives on.
titan2270:
Just out of curiosity, how is the news reporting that this "Nidal Hasan" is the same guy in custody? I just googled the name, and found a Nidal Hasan who is a Dr in Chicago and so forth. There are thirteen "Nidal Hasan" 's in the US listed on a public records site and so forth. Shoddy reporting from the major outlets if you ask me.
Lovejoy0303:
They didn't say this IS the same guy. They said that 6 months ago they were looking into the possibility of it. No offical investigation was conducted because there was no evidence to prove it.
benjaminwatson79:
I just see too many spelling errors in that passage. Do you really believe an MD officer would write so poorly? This seems like somebody who just got a GED.
southbvirus:
This is creepy... this was posted in May. So that makes me believe this is the actual Nidal, yet; there is a Nidal posting here, same name - but there is no way the actual one could be....
John Sawyer:
No, as seangleeson points out above, the person who seems to be currently posting as "NidalHasan", is actually posting as "NidaIHasan", where what appears to be a lower case "L", is actually a capital "i". Otherwise known as a "creep".
blu_yin:
I just wish, that whether it is the same person or not, that we not jump to conclusions. We don't know why. We don't know anything. Just because he is a Muslim American, doesn't mean he is a terrorist. We have plenty of American terrorists right here killing our own children, babies and women and I never see the same outrage, the same out cry for justice or 6 hr news coverage
2OP HG:
This is obviously him, and he obviously planned this attack inline with his blog entry.
As evidence, you only need this line of he wrote:
" If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory"
He tried to kill 100 soldiers, he caught them off guard, and he felt it was a strategic victory for Islam.
Period.
blu_yin:
Secondly, if this NidalHasan is the same as the person at Ft. Hood, these comments listed here alone and in this context do not, IMO, represent the comments of a terrorist. If you read the article and the response, you will see that he is discussing what defines a suicide bomber v. what would be considered an act of heroism.
blu_yin:
2OP HG: I believe you are taking the comment out of context. First let me say that I don't support any person that takes the life of another innocent person, however, we don't know anything about how he felt or what he thought. For hrs we were told he was dead to learn he was alive, I find at this moment it is hard to KNOW anything.
blu_yin:
He did go on to say that Japanese Kamikaze's who bombed the US & killed innocent people- killing what they believed to be the enemy, for their homeland. Should we now assume all Japanese are terrorists too? How about any caucasian, who has roots to the Nazis, are they also terrorists? what of the man where we have just found 11 women dead in his home, isn't he a terrorist by the same definition?
blu_yin:
LOVEJOY: CNN did in fact say this is the same guy! They showed this post on TV and said that HE posted this response. That the government was looking at him based on THESE and other posts. They also said this was HIS blog. It is not his blog. He posted a response to an article. Our media reports whats easy, whats expected, what gets viewers not necessarily whats accurate.
2OP HG:
blu_yin: you're missing the point. He isn't discussing suicide bombing vs. heroism, he's EQUATING the two. Grenade jumper = Suicide Bomber = Shooting unarmed soliders in TX = Saving lives = HERO. Open your eyes, he thinks he's saving muslim lives by killing American soldiers, and he considers himself a Islamic hero. He says as much.
blu_yin:
I have to respectfully disagree and urge you to look at it again. If an American soldier kills hundreds of muslims by dropping a bomb on them while they're not prepared, is that not a strategic victory as well? Why is it only terrorism if the word Muslim is present? We killed 100's of muslim soldiers, that we thought enemies. Why are the only terrorists we see the ones with arabic names?
blu_yin:
2OP: I have to respectfully, disagree, I won't try to convince you, but urge you to re-read the passage. He is simply explaining his POV on whats defined as a suicide. This is not about a suicide bomber, muslim or otherwise. It was using Muslims, Japanese and an American soldier as an example. Saying none of these acts should be considered suicide in a negative way.
blu_yin:
2OP: IMO; He is simply explaining his POV on whats defined as a suicide. This is not about a suicide bomber, muslim or otherwise. It was using Muslims, Japanese and an American soldier as an example. Saying none of these acts should be considered suicide in a negative way.
Artificial_Stupidity:
seangleeson: this post has been attributed to him as reported by Nightline. Though it's somewhat ridiculous to try asking him if he was the one who did the shooting, 1) he's in the hospital 2) he's under arrest and 3) do you honestly think anyone would answer that question if they were??
SOCLIB:
This is one socialist liberal who is against the death penalty but wouldn't be too exercised about Nidal's fate either way. But Obamalied definitely needs therapy.
Antiterror:
May God bless you Dr.nidal... you deserve much accolade for your brave act of sending murderers and rapists back to hell.. the american army which has destroyed hundreds of nations,murdered over a million people in the last decade,raped and bombed should be destroyed for the greater good of humanity
Antiterror:
The fact that he was a psychiatrist and had to listen to all those horrible stories of murder and rampage by the soldiers must have totally freaked him out and he took this bold step on behalf of millions of people of iraq,afghanistan,vietnam,cuba etc who are awaiting revenge and justice.Thanks for bringing back the chickens home to roost Nidal.May God bless you
jdgilk:
you would think this guy being a psychiatrist would know the difference and now he will be known as a cowardly murderer by every individual on the face of the earth. except by his fellow cowards, to them he will be a hero. A shame.
PurboPathik:
The parallel of a soldier who is saving lives of his comrades by jumping on a live grenade and someone who is killing 100 'enemy' soldiers by catching them off-guard is sign of a mind that is not capable of reasoning. I as a member of the human race condemn these atrocious acts by Mr. Nidal just as much I would condemn any such act by any other person or entity.
Fanerose:
Maybe if your hypocrite obama would do what he promised to the world, then this shite wouldn't have happend in the first place!
I feel nothing for the islam retards, but consider this:
The US is carying out a genocide without any moral objections whatsoever. 1.500.000 iraqi people are butchered by your beloved country already. So what about those 13 killed?
Fanerose:
I hope many more of those incidents happen, just so the American people will not forget the genocide they are doing in the middle east!
First put Bush and co. on trial, then maybe, just maybe the rest of the world will be able to feel something for the Americans. Many of us Europeans don't give a f*ck in the meantime...
patellac:
This mental health professional missed a few classes! The "100 enemy soldiers" are quite often innocent children who no nothing of the cause...so, what is the lesson of this intent?
daleshort:
But our military kills children too, right? It's called "collateral damage." Nobody has clean hands, in the business of war.
patellac:
You're right that nobody has clean hands...yet, it is never acceptable no matter what either side calls the atrocities.
Human evolution suffers another setback while the answer is "blowing in the wind..."
mujahid_moonsighter4107:
Not all murderers are US soldiers but all US soldiers are murderers
Kytrump1:
Amazing! Obviously many on this site are very versed in the English language. Probably most of you dwell in the United States or another free country, or perhaps you consider where you live a state full of infidels which deserve only death because other people have not chosen the path to Allah.
In any case it seems the Crusades are upon us again.
Kytrump1:
Oh yeah, history repeats itself when man fails to learn the lesson the first time.
Kytrump1:
I might add that it is most likely U S soldiers who paid for your right to a freedom of speech...did I mention that particular freedom was purchased with blood?
odevezallib9844:
Martyrdom or suicide... What you call it simply depends on which Big Daddy God you have faith in. Do you believe in the TRUE Big Daddy God--or the FALSE Big Daddy God? Our concept of God is the problem.
blu_yin:
SERVETUS: I agree with you. I think he is a terrorist based on his action to kill innocent ppl, not b/c of his name or religion. However, the masses are quick to relate them & assume, when we know nothing about him. I also think that molesters, rapists & murderers we house & reform here terrorists too, but we don't do much abt them, because they are "real" americans & not terrorist by definition.
blu_yin:
Just because one person believes that their God is the TRUE God, doesn't mean it is true. It just means its true to THEM. None of us are in a position to KNOW for sure anything in matters of God. I wasn't there in the origins of life & I have not died. who are we to judge? Is it not said that God will be the final judge? All religions have hypocrites & hide behind faith in God whichever God it is
Servetus:
blu_yin: Funny, my comment on your previous post ("Nidal Malik Hasan is NOT a terrorist "just because he is a Muslim American", BUT because he took off guard his unsuspecting comrades and, as the vile coward he obviously is, he killed 12 and severely injured 31 of them.") To which you have responded seems to have been deleted. I wonder why and by whom ...
blu_yin:
Serv: I actually just moved it. to include it at the bottom of all the other posts, not because I felt I was wrong. In his re he is talking abt a soldier in war, killing enemies and that being a strategic win, he wasn't saying that it was right, just that in that sense is not a suicide. One can read what they want into anything, assuming is easy.
Iman Azol:
Interestingly, Fanerose, in America, we don't give a **** what you Europhags think. You're in no position to talk about genocide, and hopefully you will shortly die in a shooting spree. If not, perhaps Germany will go on the rampage again.
matt-mcinnes-4199:
I really hope this does not isolate the Muslim community in US.
Murder is forbidden in Islam as it is haram and the word 'muslim' means "one who submits (to God)", so technically any murderer is not a Muslim.
Short-timer:
@digitaltrix: Americans are in no position to talk about Rules of Engagement or the rights of POWs, digitaltrix.
It seems reasonable to assume the average citizen will now be further inconvenienced in their daily lives. Most certainly individual rights will be surrendered in the name of national security/public safety.
My thoughts to the victims.
Short-timer:
It is disappointing how easily my fellow Americans surrender the very rights I and others have served so many years to protect. I'm just saying.
Again, happy thoughts to the victims.
blu_yin:
Obamalied: Im just curious, if you as an american, can shout your foul mouth and religious slurs about muhammad and not have to worry about it, why then would it be such a big deal for the american producers of 2012 to not destroy mecca? Seems its just another thing to base fear on. IMO.
racarballo:
this is terrible.....must be the same person.....right now the damage it has been done......we should not support that kind of people.... everyone should check that kind of mesagges in order to detect terrorists.....failure on intelligence systems at the basic levels
bobsil1:
@maryjolos Suicide belt pioneers LTTE - mostly Hindus - would be surprised to hear that.
PurboPathik:
Apparently Mr.Nidal was being harassed by his fellow officers since 9/11 calling him 'Camel Jockey'. How can professional officers harass another officer like that? This certainly had some effect on Mr.Nidal. I am not saying Mr.Nidal killed 12 people because he was repeatedly harassed and the killing spree is justified - which would be ridiculous to suggest.
152163432:
People rip their bodies open and we still refuse to hear them - the Freedom of Speech. My fellow American men, look at the devotion and warmth in Muslim families - protect them, don't kill them! Your own women and parents forgot how to love you - why do you kill the ones that did not? Read stories of Auschwitz, of American Indians, of Rwanda... do you know what anguish of the soul is?
dedgrunt:
Suicide bombers kill multitudes more innocents then soldiers. Why not call it what it is. Pure cowardice.
Extremist Muslims attack and kill unarmed civilians.
And then wonder why the world distrusts, and reviles them.
joewillerd:
Blu Yin - Very rarely does a suicide bomber target his/her actual enemies. Also, very rarely do suicide bombers act in the context of war. Instead, they randomly kill innocent people to send a message. With regards to the Japanese Kamikazes, that was an act of war and military opponents were the target. But even still, the act of kamikazes should not be considered a noble one.
joewillerd:
That was the result of an imperialist leader showing a disregard for the value of human life among his own people. You are misunderstood to think that terrorism only applies to muslims. Columbine and the Virginia tech shootings were both examples of terrorist acts.
joewillerd:
Granted, the majority of terrorist acts committed throughout the world in at least the last decade have been committed in the name of Islam, though it should be understood that those terrorists are extremists who, according to the majority of the muslim population, do not accurately support the muslim faith.
joewillerd:
This man, Hasan, was a military officer who randomly killed his fellow servicemen/women. He took an oath to protect them and they took an oath to protect him. Instead of asking, "Why are the only terrorists we see the ones with arabic names?", the better question is, "Why are the majority of terrorist acts in this world committed by people representing the muslim faith?"
joewillerd:
Throughout history there have been many questionable mass killings in the name of other faiths, including Christianity and Judaism, but in the present time, the fact that MOST (not all) terroism throughout the world (hotel bombings, train station bombings, 9/11 attacks, pirates, etc. etc.) are committed in the name of Islam is irrefutable.
joewillerd:
Antiterror: Which nations has America destroyed? Do you know that more people were killed by the North Vietnamese after America left the war than the entire time America was involved in that war? Do you know that once America left the Vietnam war, many parents of south veitnamese children committed suicide because the American helicopters were only taking orphaned children out of the country?
joewillerd:
If America was never involved in the Vietnamese war, would the Communist nations not have killed one third of the cambodian people? Is Russia not better off than the former Soviet Union? Does Afghanistan not exist today because America helped defend it against USSR? Is Japan not free from its imperialist society because of America's bold retaliation to Japan's initial attack on Pearl Harbor?
joewillerd:
Unfortunately, the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed about 200,000 people, and maybe about 500,000 more lives were effected in the aftermath, but that difficult choice stopped a war in which imperialist Japan had killed over 30 million people (and 3 million in just one month's time).
joewillerd:
If you look at history and wars and death tolls, you'll find that the world has actually become a more stable place with fewer wars and much fewer casualties. Guess which country played a major role in helping to create this statistic? America!! The history of Iraq will also shed light on the good deeds of America for freeing it from dictatorship control.
joewillerd:
Do you think North Korea should be left alone by the world? The people of that country have no internet to post blogs as freely as we do. They have no cell phones and every book in their public library is authored by their current and former dictator. They have no access to knowledge and education the way we do.
joewillerd:
It is illegal for them to look in the eye of a foreigner visiting their country (one of a small handfull of foreigners who gets to visit at any given time.) Imagine if you were born into that society? Is it right? You wouldn't have the opportunity to know Islam, or whatever religion you practice.
joewillerd:
We are in the information age and technology is causing the world to have to come together and work together. We are in a time where the leaders of every nation must consider how they will work to be accepted in the global community.
joewillerd:
If countries don't want to consider this global change, but instead want to reap the rewards of a global organization like the United Nations while continuously violating all of the resolutions set forth by that organization, eventually they will have to pay a price.
joewillerd:
In the longrun, in spite of the suffering that we all must endure to implement this change (granted, some more than others), history will look back on it as a positive course in humanity. This includes what's happening in Iraq. Iraq has the potential to be a rich and prosperous nation.
joewillerd:
America is not there to kill everyone. America is risking it's soldiers to help maintain stability so the nation can function, in spite of those who cannot so easily accept the new change. The people of America are risking our happiness and well being to spend our tax dollars on the war, to protest the war, the mourn the loss of human lives on both sides.
joewillerd:
This is a taxing sacrifice that the world must make. The sooner you get on board, the quicker we can enjoy the progress that we've made. But eventually, if you don't get on board, if I don't get on board, whoever doesn't get on board, whether it be America, other countries, specific individuals, religious groups, etc...this movement will conquer them in its path as well.
joewillerd:
We all suffer from the burdens in life, but when we choose to act cowardly and bring further destruction to innocient lives, rather than play our part in bringing whatever happiness we can into humanity, we will lose as this man, Hasan, has.
joewillerd:
Fanerose: Look up the word genocide before you use it so irresponsibly. The US has the complete support of the existing Iraqi government. What is your alternative? Should the US leave, just to show you that far more people will die in their absence? Then what?
joewillerd:
Do you think that if the US leaves Iraq, everyone will put down their guns and get along? I'll take an Iraqi gov't that is an ally to the US (and probably your country too), than the alternative.
joewillerd:
Everyone (including those I have commented to): We all have the freedom to be sympathetic and compassionate to how others react to this situation. It's not for me to tell anyone what to do, but I must suggest that we all try to look upon one another with the hope that we can have peace among one another and find a common ground in our conflicting ideologies.
joewillerd:
We are all humans above all else and if we have any bit of righteous mentality that allows us to post our thoughts with such conviction, I hope our mentality will include a personal belief in the need to be compassionate and respectful towards everyone.
CJ81:
Who do you think you are? You coward! You should have taken your own life and left those innocent Soldiers alone!
joewillerd:
After reviewing the definition of "terrorism", considering the implication of some sort of political motivation, I have to correct myself and say that I don't think the columbine & virginia tech shootings were acts of terrorism. McVeigh would be an example of a non-mulsim terrorist though.
nyyankee62:
i for one have been to a few muslim countries and have respected their religion & culture for it was not my place to show disrepect even though they treat their women less than human. now when muslims come to my country for the perverbial american dream make a new start and then condemn what this country stands for ??? then go back to where you came from .GOD BLESS AMERICA
citizen67:
Blowing people up is as nobel as diving on a grenade to save your buddies? How demented. Praising suicide bombers. Traitor.
americanpride:
i hope you live a long, painful life as a paralyzed cripple. you are a disgrace to the uniform and you should have just killed yourself and made this a better world. you killed innocent soldiers who would have died to save your life in combat.
blu_yin:
Joe: I have a response to you I am just debating on posting it here, as it is rather lengthy. These boxes are so small and I am a talker. I tried to send you a message here to let you know where I have posted it, but it said you had to subscribe to me. I don't usually use this forum and so don't know if my many posts would be accepted. LMK if you want the link to my response or to post here
ryan_s83:
You are a disgrace to every one of us who have sworn to protect our country. How could you do such a terrible thing to innocent people?!
As soldiers, we take an oath to protect our country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Your actions may have inflicted pain and sorrow, but our country is greater than the terror and evil you sought to impose. In the end, Justice will be served.
ryan_s83:
The world has seen your acts of terror and evil. I live in the area, and we have personally experienced how horrible your actions have been. Now you, and the world, will see the strength of the American spirit and the compassion of the American people. Your cowardly acts have united our country as one. God bless The United States of America.
joewillerd:
blu, I'm up for peaceful, constructive debate to the extent that time allows. Sure, post the link and I'll check it out. you can also email me at hookahware at gmail dot com
zen el deen:
questioon from southamerica.
hi are there any reppercusions on the islam community as we speak. hopefullt not. peace will prevail.
sephiroth02:
Sumamente lamentable que una persona que debió luchar por el bien de Estados Unidos, haya pensado y procedido de tal manera.
Paz a los caídos.
barbgant:
Get off the Muslim kick, guy. You have no life and rather than deal with whatever personal issues are keeping you down, it's easier and more dramatic (YOU) get more attention if you whine about being picked on, or you wrap yourself in the Muslim faith & yell Jihad. You are pathetic & can never undo the harm you did today. I hurt for your mother as for the mothers of the kids you slaughtered.
Global_Culture:
That General didn't answer the question. How in the world did Hasan make it so far as to be promoted to Major, and how did he slip through the cracks? C'mon "GENERAL", its a simple question!!! So, who's going to be the fall guy(s)? Who's going to take the fall for this one. What kind of smoke and mirrors game will we be seeing in the next week or two? 13 people. Soldiers. Civilians. 13 DEAD.
michael-mantion-91:
If you follow this Hasan's logic, then you could say it is best to kill every muslim to spare the lives all the people they may eventually kill.
I think most people realize that not every soldier in an army will kill someone. In actually most soldiers save lives in the end.
That said don't the suicide bombers go after soft targets, IE crowded markets. How is that a strategic victory.
libpublicrat:
I'm no FBI profiler, but I highly doubt that this is the same guy. The murderer at Ft. Hood was a doctor. This guy's grammar and spelling are pretty poor. While that certainly doesn't rule out the possibility that it is his writing I find it a bit suspect. Regardless, the opinion voiced by the poster is pretty delusional, so who knows? May God, by any name, bless those who are now in need.
libpublicrat:
Also, I remember seeing countless first-responders tearing down Main St in Blacksburg, VA on April 16, 2007...I worked less than a half-mile from Norris Hall (at Virginia Tech). I now live in Austin, Tx; about an hour from Ft. Hood. My wife and I watched in horror as these shootings unfolded. I said to her as hundreds of sirens wailed "That's unfortunately a familiar sound"
libpublicrat:
Later that night I learned that Maj. Hasan was a graduate of Virginia Tech and also went to high school in my hometown of Roanoke, VA. However, please understand that the shootings at VT were perpetrated by a disturbed individual, not a terrorist. There is as of yet no reason to believe Maj. Hasan was not simply that as well. The VT shooter was Korean, but that had nothing to do with it...
jspecialforces:
I think this is the same guy responsible for the ft hood shootings i am stationed in germany with the army and it said in stars and stripes that he was convicted of posting questionable material on this website
152163432:
The voices of children of Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan screaming in every cell of suicide bombers' bodies: Americans, Israelis, don't kill us! Don't kill our parents! We want to live. Poets, if you have souls, hear these voices and write them in songs.
Citizens of the United States of America, SHAME ON US!
perldog007:
I was a patron of the Capitol Grill which was run by Hasan's father and one of his uncles. These were decent people and I am sure he was not raised to hate, his family did not put their women in veils and were very accepting of western culture. Good people. Somebody radicalized him. My money would be on the imam trying to hook him up with a traditional Muslim woman. I even met Nidal once.
AvgWtMuslima:
@ yousef: This is misleading bc it appears major Nidal posted the article from salafimanhaj.com but it is actually an article posted by someone else and arguing AGAINST suicide bombing from Islamic evidences. So everyone should definitely read the article.
blu_yin:
Just wanted to mention that just b/c a woman wears a hijab, isn't and shouldn't be a reflection of character in a positive or negative way. Hijabs are worn out of modesty, some of our own women and teenage daughters should have a little more of it.
asheinayid:
Of course, it may not be the same Nidal Hasan. But there is more. One of his former colleagues, Col. Terry Lee, recalled Hasan saying statements to the effect of "Muslims have the right to rise up against the U.S. military"; "Muslims have a right to stand up against the aggressors"; and even speaking favorably about people who "strap bombs on themselves and go into Times Square."
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