Shafilea Ahmed Murder Intestigation - Covert Recording From Inside The Ahmed House

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In the Matter of R -v- Ahmed & Ahmed
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Conventions of Transcription M1 M2 F1 F2 MC S FC M F ? Why did IWhy did I(Yes) (Yes/no) Yes/no er [Coughing] Male speaker 1 Male speaker 2 Female speaker 1 Female speaker 2 Male child Female child addressed as Saima Female child either child addressed as Mehvish or Rukish Unidentified male speaker Unidentified female speaker Speaker unidentified or lower confidence in attribution Words spoken in Panjabi Words spoken in English Lower level of confidence in words transcribed Alternatives within lower confidence section Alternatives due to ambiguity in translation Hyphens denote incomplete or interrupted speech Unintelligible speech Description of non-verbal sounds or other information
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R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4
Transcript of Sections of Audio from Covert Recordings
Section 1 - AG 1/Tape 1 Tape commenced at 20:50 on 18/11/03 and ended at 00:15 on 19/11/03 00:01:44/20:51:44 [Start section 1]
[The following section contains speech in the background from the television]
Mum, do you know what.
F1
What?
(Joyce) says to search for d- again, erm the ones who came here before
F1
They came, (Rizwan) said they looked at every little thing again today. They looked at every little thing again today.
FC
You know all my clothes that were in the bathroom*.
F1
Yeah.
FC
They were there and all.
F1
M1
Which ones?
FC
My shalwar kameez1
M1
Leaving aside the clothes, the whole carpet* from upstairs-.
F1
Mm.
M1
To downstairs.
F1
Mm.
00:02:08/20:52:08 M1 They did everything*.
F1
I know they made all this mess. All the sofa*s have been move*d.
M1
The sofa*s
F1
Even the cushions from the sofa*s have been moved.
M1
1
Forget the cushions-
A shalwar kameez is a traditional outfit from the Indian sub-continent. It consists of a tunic and trousers.
MC
you know that-
F1
And theyve taken this sheet off and taken it. Mm?
MC
That- that thing?
F1
Yeah.
MC
That has been move*d as well.
F1
Yeah.
M1
They took that off to see if there isnt anything behind there (of Shafileas).
F1
Yeah. And listen, theyve taken this sheet as well. Theyve taken this sheet, as well.
00:02:30/20:52:30 M1 And what did they need with the sheet?
F1
I then asked, I said, Where has the sheet gone? And then he deliberately started looking around him. And then that Pakistani sayshe says, You havent taken it have you?. He says, Oh yeah, we got
that as well and took it. He does such acting*. Behind ... picked up the
FC
I ... behind the ...
F1
These- these ones. They move*d the settee* and started looking. I said There is one but where has the other one gone? Where has it gone? After looking, then yeah, theyve taken the sheet now, theyve taken the (new) sheet.
00:02:58/20:52:58 F1 And with the sheet, it comes back to that, didnt she sit on it? Everyone sits on it.
M1
...
F1
On the sheet. Its not only one person who sits on a sheet. What do you think?
00:03:06/20:53:06 M1 ... to take it and took it.
F1
Yeah. Dont other people stay in our house? It comes back to that.
MC
You know the phone* number*s you kept on pieces of paper*.
F1
Yeah. Yeah.
MC
Theyve taken all those-
F1
Taken them. And Rukishs-
MC
The ones-
F1
I think ring*
00:03:15/20:53:15 FC Yeah.
F1
Yeah.
MC
Is that yours? Er is it Rukishs?
F1
It is Rukishs. Yeah.
MC
We thought that was yours.
00:03:19/20:53:19 F1 Ask me first. You guys, it comes back to the same thing, as you dont know about these things, which women know about, you should ask first. That is her ring*, I would have told him/her. And it comes back to the same thing, you should have said, all gold jewellery is the same* and when these girls go, they put it on certain occasions. And they wear it, as well. They went in that- in there today, as well, Hello? Eh?
00:03:40/20:53:40 M1 Mm?
F1
They went in there, as well?
M1
In where?
F1
There, in there.
00:03:45/20:53:45 MC They broke it.
F1
You know that-
MC
Thats why you can tell.
F1
Cant you tell?
M1
What did they break?
F1
The one that was paint*ed. It was stuck, wasnt it.
M1
Yeah.
F1
And they have done it, look er, can you see there is a little crack*. I saw it as soon as I came.
00:04:00/20:54:00 FC ...
M1
And what have they done outside?
F1
What have they done?
M1
bag*s there
F1
I dont know ... didnt go outside.
MC
Yeah. You know the side* store*?
F1
Yeah.
00:04:13/20:54:13 MC Theyve taken that- taken there.
FC
What have they taken then?
F1
Who knows, child, what they have taken-
MC
... and this ...
00:04:21/20:54:21 FC Didnt show/say you?
MC
Yeah-
F1
Mm.
FC
... list*
MC
But this
F1
Look at this, Mehvishi.
FC
Mm.
F1
They have even move*d the chair*s. Hello, are you looking?
This
F1
And they have torn that paper*.
00:04:35/20:54:35 MC Yeah.
F1
Do you know why?-
...
F1
There was that other paper*. Eh?
MC
Yeah.
FC
Yeah.
00:04:42/20:54:42 F1 They have torn it.
00:04:45/20:54:45 S This as well ...
F1
Like, how we put on different paper*, this was torn by someone else. And that was different paper*, on (these chair*s), they have torn it again.
00:04:53/20:54:53 S No, I ...
MC
... which phone* book* did they take?
FC
The ...
MC
Blue one ...
F1
Yeah.
00:05:00/20:55:00 MC Yeah.
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F1
Mm.
MC
There was that ... in that.
F1
Mm.
MC
That with them, as well.
F1
Mm.
00:05:04/20:55:04 MC They said they want to look at that, as well.
F1
Eh? Im saying, there was a different paper* on in a different colour. That we havent put on this paper* in a different colour.
M1
Where?
F1
Have a look there. Theyve torn it. Theyve torn it and must have check*ed it, just in case ... on this. Cant you see? This was torn before and this as well-
M1
Mm.
00:05:26/20:55:26 F1 Leaving everything else aside, these things for the remote* control*, video*, everything has been move*d. Mehvish has given this back ...
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... things.
00:05:33/20:55:33 F1 Eh, listen to me, why are they bothered about the video*s?
MC
You know my computer*.
F1
Yeah.
MC
They move*d all that, as well, you know on top/upstairs, they took all the tape*s, everything.
F1
That ... cant you see it torn? They tore it and check*ed it inside, to see why new paper* has been put on.
00:05:48/20:55:48 M1 Mm.
F1
Yeah.
00:05:49/20:55:49 MC And this, daddy*, er the brown* tape* ... why did they take that outside?
M1
Mm?
MC
There was one in my room*, as well, in the drawer*.
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00:05:59/20:55:59 S Why (have/did) they took brown-
F1
Whats happened to the brown* tape*?
MC
Theyve taken that with them.
F1
Which brown*-
MC
Theyve taken daddy*s tow*, that thing.
00:06:06/20:56:06 F1 Mm. No, but why did they take the brown* tape*? Why did they take the brown* tape*?
M1
So, that if a body is found tomorrow2, did we use brown* tape*. And theyve taken the rope and the thing to tow* with.
F1
Mm.
M1
Theyve taken that.
F1
Mm. Yeah, so let them take it.
00:06:30/20:56:30 M1
2
And that personal* organiser* of mine-
The literal translation is tomorrow. However, it can also be used to mean in the near future.
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F1
Mm.
Theyve taken that, as well.
F1
You know that ... I swear, he is a real bastard. When he came in the morning, I said, My husband* isnt here. So, we want to do a search. I said, Youve done it once already, eh. He said, No, we want to do another one today, eh. So, I said, Wait one minute* and let me phone* my husband* first.
00:06:51/20:56:51 [End of section 1]
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Section 2 - AG 3/Tape 3 Tape commenced at 06:50 on 19/11/03 and ended at 11:00 on 19/11/03 01:31:34/08:21:34 [Start of section 2]
F1
Eh, and Saima?
Mm.
F1
Dont tell anyone at school* that ... came.
Yeah. Mummy if Morgan asks, what should I say?
F1
Just say my sister* is missing*. Okay?
Mm. (And if/Teacher*)
F1
Im saying, dont say anything. Just act as though you didnt understand. Start talking about something else.
No but he/she knows ... came.
F1
...
What should I say?
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01:31:56/08:21:56 F1 [Whispered] Say my sister* is missing*.
Mm.
F1
[Whispered] And for her-
01:32:07/08:22:07 S I
F1
[Whispered] ...
Mum, what can I say? Eh? I will say what ... Morgan, the next* door* neighbours* came. [Laughs]
01:32:22/08:22:22 F1 Shall I cut it like this?
Eh?
F1
Shall I cut it like this ...
Mm.
F1
Or is it okay like this
01:32:27/08:22:27 S ... cut it. Those are big ... [Clears throat] ...
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F1
...
I will say it.
01:32:41/08:22:41 F1 [Laughs] ... Morgan ... [Laughs]
... Yeah.
F1
Is it enough? Or should I make more?
Its enough.
F1
Sure?
Mm.
F1
That ...
And if- if ... keep coming to our house, I will say they are checking everyones houses.
F1
Say everyones houses.
Yeah, I will say ...
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F1
No, what for? Leave it ... leave it. Now, child, everyone knows and now they are showing it on the TV* again.
01:33:06/08:23:06 S Really?
F1
Really. We will put the T.V. on, as well ... say ... put the T.V. on, put it on the news* ... news* ... (GMTV), put that on.
01:33:16/08:23:16 [End of section 2]
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Section 3 PTC 1/Tape 4 Tape commenced at 11:00 on 19/11/03 and ended at 15:09 on 19/11/03 02:54:19/13:54:19 [Start section 3]
F1
And as soon as you got there, you started your devilish ways.
M1
What devilish things did I do?
F1
Everything was devilish. Even if you were right, was it the right time for you? Was it appropriate for you to say all these things? So it comes back to that, was it appropriate for you? What kind of time was it for you? What kind of time was it for you? First, you tell me this. Was it appropriate for you? Did I not prepare you here? I phone*d you in Pakistan and I told you-
M1
...
F1
Please* dont talk about people. Yeah, stop it.
02:54:44/13:54:44 M1 If youve got anything else to say, leave it.
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F1
Youre a pimp. Youre shameless. Im going to say it to you clearly, I swear to Allah, everything happened because of you. Thats it, everything happened because of you.
02:54:52/13:54:52 M1 So blame it on me.
F1
Yeah. All because of you.
M1
Yeah do it.
F1
Everything happened because of you.
M1
Okay.
F1
Yeah.
M1
...
F1
If youve got the guts go and say I did all this.
M1
Okay.
F1
It comes back to that. Say it.
02:55:01/13:55:01 [End of section 3]
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Section 4 AG 5/Tape 6 Tape commenced at 19:15 on 19/11/03 and ended at 07:05 on 20/11/03 00:20:36/19:35:36 [Start of section 4]
F1
Yeah, so this means they will look at the mileage* of our car, as well, to see how much it is and how much it is not.
M1
For which one?
F1
What it was on which day*. Can they find out about the day*?
M1
For which one?
F1
The (next day/other one).
M1
No, no.
F1
Oh.
00:20:54/19:35:54 F1 They will look at it, not no no.
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M1
Mm?
F1
Not no no, they will look.
M1
For which one?
F1
This.
00:21:00/19:36:00 M1 And how can they find out about the mileage* from that?
F1
...
M1
There isnt ...
00:21:05/19:36:05 F1 Who knows, they might have a way.
M1
Eh?
F1
There might be a way.
M1
Nonsense3. It is your total* mileage* for how much your car is used in a year.
F1
Well we have ten, ten trips (a day).
The literal translation is donkeys head.
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M1
Eh?
F1
We have ten, ten journeys just to town*, so it comes back to that.
M1
Yeah, and then, so it is just for normal* use*. And when you go to visit people here and there, dont you use* the car*. It is for this reason, isnt it.
00:21:30/19:36:30 F1 We go to Manchester, as well.
M1
What are these sister fuckers going to find from my meter*?
00:21:38/19:36:38 M1 Now, this is stupidity, isnt it, as the meter* doesnt tell you that- the meter*, where someone has been and where he has come from. 00:21:46/19:36:46 F1 Who knows, they might find out, if you went to work on that day or not, if you came the next day, or not.
M1
Eh?
F1
If you came the next day, or not.
M1
Who?
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F1
Who knows ...
M1
And what has it got to do with that day?
[Door bell rings] 00:21:57/19:36:57 F1 Look before you go ...
00:21:59/19:36:59 [End of section 4]
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M1
And this phone* of yours, the phone* has been tap*ped.
F1
knows if they have put a camera* in.
M1
Not a camera*. They cant just put a camera* in. They need a court* warrant* for that. (Afterwards/The one outside)-
F1
Who knows, they might have got one. They might have got a court* warrant*.
03:02:08/22:17:08 M1 For that they need to have something on you and then. They are doing the investigation* first.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Once that is clear*, then. If any little thing comes out of that.
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F1
Mm.
M1
Then they will tell you.
03:02:19/22:17:19 F1 Mm. Who knows, they might have put one in.
03:02:29/22:17:29 F1 How do we know? They dont ask us before putting them in.
M1
What?
F1
Camera*s.
M1
They cant put them in houses. (Its illegal).
03:02:39/22:17:39 F1 Rani said they can put them in
M1
They can tap* your phone*s. They can do your mobile* phone*s.
F1
Mm.
M1
They cant put a camera* in your house, this- this is- its illegal.
03:02:56/22:17:56 M1 this
03:03:14/22:18:14 M1 Your phone* calls, which come through.
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F1
Mm.
M1
Whichever ones you make.
F1
Mm.
M1
Right?
F1
Mm.
03:03:19/22:18:19 M1 They listen to those.
F1
Let them listen.
M1
Not, let them listen, check* everything you say later on they will what is this? said.
03:03:52/22:18:52 F1 Im saying, the car and will have put it on/in. I swear, Im saying
M1
What?
F1
M1
Why?
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F1
When they turned everything upside down
M1
When they turned everything upside down, whatever forensic* search* they did, whatever they have taken of yours, they have written down. Do you understand? If they are going to do anything like that- if they suspect you, they cant put a camera* in the house. Outsideoutside they can listen to what you are saying.
03:04:29/22:19:29 F1 Stay inside then, for
M1
Yeah you have work to do out of the house
03:04:44/22:19:44 F1 seeing their tactics. Who knows if they have put one in.
03:04:48/22:19:48 [End of section 5]
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MC
Ten?
FC
Yeah.
MC
Why ten?
FC
(time/fine). (Cause they) burn-
MC
(Then), Ill just keep doing that.
F1
Im saying I want to tell you something. Dont talk about anything in the house do you know what Rani said? She said, you dont know they might have put something in your house.
FC
Then?
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FC
If they have put a camera* in.
F1
Eh? She said, in the house they have small things, which
02:09:32/13:14:32 FC Oi, its burning.
MC
No it aint.
FC
I told you not to put it on (at all time.)
MC
I c- put it in at ten minutes.
02:09:42/13:14:42 FC (Yet/Yeah), still, youre putting it on.
MC
You told me.
FC
Yeah, you tell me.
MC
You did, (though).
02:09:52/13:14:52 MC The North West ones (are on at half* one*).
02:09:58/13:14:58 F1 I just remembered spoke let me see.
02:10:02/13:15:02
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[End of section 6]
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F1
If you had spoken to them properly from the first day, they would have known. These people know everything. A person would have said, until you have proof*, you cant do all this. First provide the proof* and then do it. First go and do your enquiry* with whoever you can. There are people here, as well. Go and ask everyone. Is there anything about marriage is there anything. Since theyve got the interview* from there-
M1
The people- do you know what they are saying.
02:11:40/17:24:40 F1 Yeah.
M1
Right. Ive just spoken to one of our4 people, in front of you. And what did he say, that They do not believe what you are saying because they want proof.
02:11:50/17:24:50 F1 Yeah and thats what Im saying, if they had proof they could blame this on us.
Our people is referring to a person either from or originating from the Indian Sub-Continent.
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M1
Right.
F1
Now, theyve blamed this on us, yeah.
M1
But they will go wherever they need to go for the proof.
F1
Mm.
M1
Theyre not going to rely on what youre saying.
02:11:59/17:24:59 F1 Mm. Yeah, so let them first go, thats what Im saying. What is the need for them to go on TV first.
M1
Theyve come on TV now because they are saying they want the body*.
02:12:12/17:25:12 F1 So, first they should find the proof and then go towards the bodie*s.
M1
Where are they going to find the proof?
F1
Yeah, now theyre saying, We are going to go to Pakistan. They are going to Pakistan first, but they should get the proof first.
M1
And what, are they going to find the bo- body* from Pakistan?
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F1
Yeah, but it comes back to that again, that first they should come back from there and then they should do the body*. Yeah.
02:12:30/17:25:30 [End of section 7]
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MC
a lot
M1
Oi, you.
MC
social services.-
M1
Listen to me, right. Listen*. You are a, right, youre a danger to yourself.
F1
For him every single thing is nothing.
M1
(Im telling you now). Sort yourself out.
[Sound of a chair being moved]
M1
Life is not a joke.
02:27:19/21:27:19
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M1
You need to take things seriously*, sometimes.
02:27:26/21:27:26 M1 For you everything is a game*.
02:27:28/21:27:28 [End of section 8]
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M1
Now, be careful of one thing, dont fight amongst yourselves. Dont even push anyone by* accidentally*.
F1
Yeah, if you are slightly hurt then, child, we will be blame*d for it, remember that-
M1
Im telling you now, right, be very careful.
Mm.
02:28:20/21:28:20 F1 You have never been hit, have you? It shouldnt be that we are blamed.
M1
This is what theyre looking for, now.
02:28:27/21:28:27 F1 Explain to this poor cat/monster.
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M1
Who?
F1
Him, here.
M1
This poor guy will be sorted out.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Dont you worry. I will leave him there with them, for six months to a year, as well.
F1
Mm.
M1
He will be sorted out.
02:28:38/21:28:38 [End of section 9]
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F1
And he tells everyone at school*, I swear, no child has said anything, even though-
FC
F1
They know, she is my sister*, huh?
FC
And she came and asked me, and I didnt know he had already* told her.
F1
Yeah.
FC
And so she says to me, Is your sister* miss*ing? And I said, No, not mine. She said, Your brother* said.
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MC
sister*
FC
Your sister is miss*
Mm.
FC
I said, No.
FC
Not my sister*. [Laughs]
02:34:11/21:34:11 F1 No, I told you, he-
M1
You told her?
MC
I told (her). She-
M1
Yeah, and so then?
FC
MC
No, she came and said to me, I know about your sister*.
M1
No, you tell me this, one minute
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MC
Yeah.
02:34:21/21:34:21 M1 Since we have said, from the first day, that there is no need to speak to anyone about this. No, so you-
MC
She knows about Shafilea.
[Laughter]
M1
Now, you are, I swear, I am going to pick my shoe up and split his head open.
F1
[Laughs] No, when did we say she doesnt know? Did we say she doesnt know?
M1
Now, everyone outside knows.
02:34:38/21:34:38 F1 Yeah.
M1
(Right?)
F1
Now, are we going to expose ourselves to them and say she is ours?
M1
Everyone knows, dont they?
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F1
Yeah.
MC
(Yeah.)
M1
I go outside and work, dont I. People know, dont they?
MC
Yes.
M1
But Ive never said it from my mouth that she is my- my daughter*.
02:34:51/21:34:51 F1 Saima is only little and I swear, she wouldnt even tell Morgan-
M1
She is so much younger than you and she goes to school*.
F1
Yeah.
M1
And no youngster in her school* knows.
F1
Yeah and no child has asked her.
M1
And even if they know, no one has said anything to her.
F1
No one has, I swear, apart from this Morgan, no one has.
02:35:03/21:35:03
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M1
Eh? Thats why that-
M1
This social* guy said, Hes a very good lad.
me.
M1
Because he talks about things.
02:35:08/21:35:08 S I say, No*.
F1
She is saying-
M1
You are a very good (boy).
F1
She is saying-
M1
This very* good* of yours-
F1
Huh?
M1
Will have us put inside.
02:35:15/21:35:15 [End of section 10]
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M1
This this you, as well right*? This, I thought and I thought this and that, your It is and that It will be, this It will be and It is, stop all of this, right, to bring yourself to reality.
02:49:20/21:49:20 M1 I thought this and I thought that. This business of thinking should completely stop. Keep what is proper/right in your head. 02:49:32/21:49:32 M1 It shouldnt be that the thinking leads to being put inside.
02:49:37/21:49:37 M1 So, you never ever talk about anything in your Never.
02:49:48/21:49:48 S [Whispered]
F1
Be quiet. Saima, be quiet.
[The section between 02:49:51 and 02:51:27 does not appear to contain any non-television speech]
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02:51:27/21:51:27 M1 I told you that day, that he had spoken to him about some things.
F1
Mm.
Huh?
M1
And he came home and said, He only asked me my name and stuff.
02:51:35/21:51:35 F1 Huh, and what is he saying?
M1
Huh?
F1
What is he saying?
M1
He says he had a lot of conversation* with him5. He is saying, No asked me
02:51:46/21:51:46 S asked my name* and hobbies* whatever I like*.
02:52:00/21:52:00 M1 Oh, child, it is through talking about hobby*s they talk about things.
Him is referring to Junaid.
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F1
They dont let people realise.
M1
No, so your hobby* ends up leading somewhere else. He said that you are v- very good*, so you have become big, now. Now, he has left
02:52:21/21:52:21 MC Where?
02:52:27/21:52:27 [End of section 11]
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Mum, do you know what Junaid does in our room*?
F1
He farts?
Yeah.
F1
Mm.
Do you know what he does-
FC
He does it by sticking his bum in the air and does it.
F1
Let me tell you one thing, Junaid, if the slightest thing comes out of your mouth.
MC
What?
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F1
For all our/your lives, we will be stuck in real trouble, remember that. You wont be able to find your mum or dad6, remember that. They take people away, I swear, Rukish.
02:55:47/21:55:47 [End of section 12]
The actual word is chacha which means paternal uncle, but it is often used when referring to a father, as it appears in this context.
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All over.
F1
Now, if she does it again.
FC
F1
Then I swear, Saima, you have my permission to take your shoes* off and hit her on the face with them.
FC
Mum, shes just
F1
Listen* to what I am saying to you. Just listen*. I know what you are doing. Youve still not learned your lesson and even if it is Eid, you are going to get hit, let me tell you. What do you want? First, tell me?
FC
Mum, I (did) nothing.
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F1
No, what is it you want? What do you want? What day is it today?
03:29:34/10:30:34 FC It is Eid.
F1
So, what is the matter?
03:29:37/10:30:37 F1 Get up. Move* to there. Move*. Move* over more, away from here. Go on. And you, as well.
Yes.
F1
Im saying it is not necessary to eat like dogs on Eid. Are you listening to me. Daughters of pigs, do you know anything else apart from eating and you cant even survive without eating a massive amount- look at how your face its puffed up. Is she bother*ed about what her mother and father- what I am going through. Its all about eating. No one is bother*ed about their sister, about anything. You stuff your face and fart and thats it.
03:30:03/10:31:03 F1 Thats what Im saying. That slut is acting as if she is relieved. The face is getting puffed up. And you behave7 yourself, as well. Today is not a day to be beaten up, okay. Are you listening to me? Im talking to you Saim-ieh.
The Panjabi phrase is bandeh di ti ban, which means, become the daughter of a human.
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Me?
F1
Yeah. You learn to become decent8, as well.
03:30:27/10:31:27 [End of section 13]
The Panjabi phrase is insaan di ti ban na sikh, which means learn to become the daughter of a human.
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Section 14 PTC7/Tape 30 Tape commenced at 15:01 on 25/11/03 and ended at 18:47 on 25/11/03 03:33:22/18:34:22 [Start of section 14]
M1
Listen to me.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Whatever Tariq said.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Right?
F1
Yeah.
M1
He is one hundred percent right. He said, that that person.
03:33:29/18:34:29 F1 Yeah.
M1
Clearly committed murder.
F1
Yeah.
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M1
Right?
F1
(Yeah.)
03:33:33/18:34:33 M1 But by getting the support of the newspapers, he got away with the murder.
F1
Yeah.
M1
These are the ones who save you.
F1
Yeah.
M1
And these are also the ones who can put you inside.
F1
Get you inside yeah.
M1
Right? So, dont lose them.
03:33:43/18:34:43 F1 Yeah. Thats why I am saying, you say you are going to do this to them
M1
No, no, I never said it like that. I am going to tell them to come and-
F1
Yeah.
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M1
Listen to our story*.
F1
Yeah.
03:33:51/18:34:51 [Speech in background] 03:33:52/18:34:52 M1 I am going to say to the solicitor that complete*ly, to all the press*-
F1
No, you should say to the police*- the police* that I never wanted to give it before-
M1
And no, I am (not) going to request* the police*, that listen*-
F1
That I- yeah, yeah.
03:33:59/18:34:59 M1 The story* you have given.
F1
Yeah.
M1
You have given from your side.
F1
Yeah, now I-
M1
Right?
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F1
Want to give it from my side.
M1
Now, I want to tell them, that exactly* what has happened.
F1
Yeah, yeah. [Whispered] Tariq is really report*
03:34:12/18:35:12 M1 Its right, Im telling you.
F1
[Whispered]
M1
No, no. He is saying, get the blame off your head. He knows, right?* Thats why he said it. He said, Take the blame off your head, that there is a third person involved.
F1
Yeah.
03:34:24/18:35:24 M1 Hes not wrong. The advice he has given you, he said this, he said, You save yourself. He knows about it you (stupid*), you should be careful, that is, but now you should use* your own brain. Dont think that this is dishonour and that is dishonour. Forget the dishonour, put it on some other sister fucker, so they go and look for them.
F1
[Whispered]
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M1
Use* some sense, as well. In case youre thinking, this will happen or that will happen. Sod it. It will be less than this, wont it.
F1
Yeah.
03:34:53/18:35:53 [End of section 14]
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F1
If only we had the S- SIM* card* from the first phone*, eh? That had a lot of number*s, I swear, of lots of boys, on the SIM* never mind the it was true. If only I had kept the number*s, I was silly, I threw them away, a little while ago. You told me-
M1
There is no need to keep the number*s.
F1
You told me, why have you kept it?
M1
F1
Yeah.
M1
There is no need to keep the number*s.
F1
Yeah.
02:46:23/22:33:23
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M1
Have you got that phone* number*?
F1
The first one?
M1
Yeah.
F1
The very first one she had?
M1
The very first one and which was the first one?
02:46:32/22:33:32 F1 The very first one she had, when she had the Nokia phone*.
M1
Mm.
F1
[Whispered] do you know that number*s that had all the number*s.
M1
We know about that one, that we dont about it/we dont know where it is.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Which number* did that have?
F1
The second* phone* she had, eh?
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M1
That had it, as well?
F1
That had them, as well, but the thing was, she wouldnt give it to us but that had them, as well. I even spoke to one boy, eh, on the phone* and I phone*d from the house [Whispered] But (I spoke to one myself, Shafik), or whatever his name was.
02:47:03/22:34:03 M1 This thing, right.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Not this. What is her/his phone* number*?
F1
No, I told you, I kept the SIM* card* and in
M1
No, no, what is her/his phone* number*?
02:47:11/22:34:11 F1 What about her/his? That one know
M1
I feel like showing them that- that phone* number* in the morning.
F1
Yeah.
M1
That to say, go back six month.
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F1
Mm. Yeah.
M1
Go back before then.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Look, this is the phone* number*.
02:47:25/22:34:25 F1 Yeah.
M1
Check* on this, where the phone* call*s-
F1
From where the calls-
M1
Have been coming from.
F1
Have been coming from. Yeah.
02:47:37/22:34:37 M1 And now, do you know what, that is right, for them to involve* a third* party*.
F1
Yeah. Do what? It is involved, which, is causing all of this/having all this done.
02:47:49/22:34:49
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M1
That we suspect someone-
F1
Yeah.
M1
Has forced her.
F1
Has done it, yeah.
M1
But we dont know who they are, who have-
F1
Yeah.
02:48:47/22:35:47 M1 Mm?
F1
[Whispered]
M1
Whose? Mm. Mm.
02:48:54/22:35:54 F1 [Whispered] wont
M1
This head of yours, straighten your head out.
F1
No what
M1
Im saying, keep it straight. Forgot those things and move forward.
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02:49:10/22:36:10 [End of section 15]
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Section 16 PTC 11/Tape 37 Tape commenced at 11:00 on 27/11/03 and ended at 15:04 on 27/11/03 02:21:01/13:21:01 [Start of section 16]
F1
Now, how do they know what its all about.
M1
So, what have you said?
F1
There is nothing. But they- what we have said and what they are going to say, do you know that?
02:21:09/13:21:09 M1 Who?
F1
Them.
M1
Your mother doesnt know anything about what goes on in our house here, so what is she going to say?
02:21:17/13:21:17 F1 She can say about the girls, that they were going to be left here (for good). They were going to be left here. 02:21:22/13:21:22 M1 Why?
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F1
What does she know? It comes back to that- that again, what to say or not to say. And now you are reading all sorts of nonsense.
02:21:30/13:21:30 M1 If you want to speak to your mother, then speak to your mother.
02:21:36/13:21:36 F1 They are going to everyone.
M1
Who is left behind9 there, now?
F1
M1
Uncle and aunty10 have come here.
F1
They even asked, Who went with you? So, what was I supposed to say about who went? I said, I went and I- I said, whats his name, My sis- my sisters husband went with me to the hospital.
02:21:51/13:21:51 M1 Right.
F1
Okay, Yeah, and there was the person driving the car. So, first, the car, did you do a taxi*? What did you do?
M1
Mm.
10
Behind in this context relates to Pakistan. This is a reference to a paternal uncle and aunty.
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F1
I said (I dont know), somebody did a taxi*. I dont know the name but it was somebody. I never said who it was or wasnt and nor did they ask, who it was.
M1
Mm.
F1
I said, Somebody booked the car.
02:22:08/13:22:08 F1 Thats what Im saying, they are going to make a point* out of everything that is said. Uncle11 was saying that since last night, they are saying why they have gone there, to Pakistan to make an enquiry*. 02:22:16/13:22:16 M1 Okay.
02:22:21/13:22:21 F1 And you have spent your entire life stirring, when there is something like this, its like what Rahmat says, you should act calmly and not act with rage. This stirring of yours, I swear, has been causing us issues all our lives. Just a little- it comes back to that, when a person bows down, even bows before Allah. You say, I dont care about anyone. That care of yours is what comes back on to you, right. 02:22:44/13:22:44 M1 No, so what do you want to say to them, now? Come on tell me, what are you going to say now?
11
This is a reference to a maternal uncle.
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F1
Going to say what? Going to say whatever you have said, what are we going to say, now, I- it comes back to that. Youre reading that lesson, that book*. It comes back to that what has been read in our house? So, it comes back to that, what have you read? If it was me, what have you read?
02:23:00/13:23:00 M1 Now, get out. Go.
F1
Eh?
M1
Get out.
02:23:27/13:23:27 F1 What am I going to say to them. Even that, as my poor mum doesnt know. I even said that to uncle12 on the phone*. I said, My mum doesnt even know about this. And nor have we ever told anyone anything about ourselves. If they can go to peoples houses here and spend two hours at a time, dont you think they are going to go there and spend time with them. 02:23:23/13:23:23 M1 And this entire lie will be found out.
F1
Its not a lie, okay.
12
This is a reference to a maternal uncle.
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M1
Mm.
F1
She said it.
M1
Said what?
F1
She said, first they phone*d.
M1
Mm.
02:23:30/13:23:30 F1 And then they came to our house. And they even went as far as to ask, Where did you meet? I said, At my sister-in-laws house. And then where did you meet them again? How many times did you go to the hospital to ask their daughter? They asked every little thing. Dont you say this is a lie. 02:23:41/13:23:41 M1 No, but is this a crime?
F1
It is not a crime but they have asked about everything.
M1
Theyve asked, but its not a crime, is it.
F1
Yeah. Did she/he ever speak to you? Were they going to go and do her marriage? What date did they go? What did they do?
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Everything. They said, We havent written any dates. We know they
M1
All the force is being put on this thing.
F1
Yeah
02:23:58/13:23:58 M1 Right? On the marriage.
F1
Yeah.
M1
And they can clear* it up about the marriage.
F1
Yeah.
M1
Thats what all the fuss is about, isnt it?
F1
Yeah.
M1
They can clear* that up.
F1
Yeah.
02:24:04/13:24:04 M1 The family in which the marriage was supposed to happen.
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F1
Yeah.
M1
They can go to their house and ask them what was said. It will stop, there and then.
F1
Yeah.
M1
And then there is no need for them to go here and there.
02:24:13/13:24:13 [End of section 16]
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F1
But the proof, it comes back to that, at the moment, us- they are- as it all comes back on to us, at the moment they are us-
M1
If it was on us, eh, then you wouldnt be sat here.
F1
Yeah.
02:27:30/13:27:30 M1 Even now the police* have said that, she said, We only want to eliminate* you from the enquiry*. All the rest have been done, the little one13 is left. 02:27:39/13:27:39 F1 And where will she do hers?
M1
She will go and get hers from the school* and she says, We will get it check*ed right now.
F1
Yeah.
13
This relates to a female child.
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M1
Then, I will phone* you afterwards, as to whether the car is clear* or not.
F1
Mm.
02:27:48/13:27:48 M1 Only, b- thats it. If there was anything on you, you would have been inside by now.
F1
If there was something, then they would have done it, or would they put us inside for nothing.
M1
And so? Thats what Im telling you, that there needs to be some girl fucking proof, or is it just like that?
F1
But, Im just saying that
M1
Forget what people are saying, dont just sit there and take it all in. Let it in one ear and out the other. Here, everything works on proof. Without any proof, even if you sister fuckers kill forty people, until it is found, they cant do anything to you.
02:28:22/13:28:22 F1 Now, Im saying, they are just going to go to Pakistan and ask around
M1
They will already* know in Pakistan.
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F1
Mm.
M1
Let me tell you this, the way they are just talking nonsense.
F1
They dont know.
02:28:31/13:28:31 [End of section 17]
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Section 18 PTC 11/ Tape 37 Tape commenced at 11:00 on 27/11/03 and ended at 15:04 on 27/11/03 02:39:53/13:39:53 [Start of section 18]
F1
Didnt go, but they wont leave us alone.
M1
They wont leave us but all it is, is that they want to clear* this up. Thats why they took the meter* out from my car.
02:40:05/13:40:05 F1 No, but what will they find out from mine? Mine doesnt have any meter*.
M1
What will they do-
F1
Will they look at the mileage*?
M1
With your car?
F1
Who knows, they might look at the mileage* of each* day*.
M1
A cars mileage* for each* day* can never be check*ed.
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02:40:17/13:40:17 F1 [Whispered] (Who knows)
M1
Oh, for gods sake, this- yours- and I think my mind is going, as well-
F1
No who knows, they might have a
M1
What will there be?
02:40:23/13:40:23 F1 A mileage* check*ing (system*/thing).
M1
What are they going to check* on that?
F1
So, they can do it. Im just
M1
But tell me, what are they going to check* on that? Theres nothing in the cars- if you use* your car every* day*, the annual mileage* is written on the MOT*.
02:40:34/13:40:34 F1 Mm.
02:40:39/13:40:39 M1 If there was anything like that, right*, then the sister fuckers would have done this on you ages ago. 02:40:45/13:40:45 [End of section 18]
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F1
And, child, now you should a little your things. [Shouts] And dont put the money* in the school* one. I told you downstairs, you bastard. That entire drawer* is getting damaged. Junaid, you are becoming and I swear, at some point you are going to get beaten up by me and I am going to kill you, you remember this. I told you before, dont put it in the school* one.
02:31:20/17:35:20 F1 [Shouts] If you are just going to act spoilt, sitting in front of the T.V. all. Go and give it upstairs, my child. I get really irritated.
FC
(You have to go up.)
MC
I am.
02:31:26/17:35:26 F1 Thats what Im saying go and give it upstairs.
MC
02:31:28/17:35:28 [End of section 19]
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M1
They have no connection with this. There is no connection with anyone else.
01:40:03/20:10:03 F1 Because I said, who knows if they have found out about the college* in London and they just- use it against us.
M1
Who?
F1
M1
Eh?
F1
you.
01:40:16/20:10:16 M1 Listen to me, the thing is, have you gone mad?
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F1
(Why/What?) And by the way, tell me, when there is a private* matter, let me give you a lesson, now, if you hadnt spoken about this marriage proposal, then I swear to Allah, they would never have pushed this further. Since they asked me if there was anything to state and I said there isnt anything. What was the need for you to say, my uncle*, my so and so and my so and so
M1
This thing my-
F1
Thats why I said-
M1
No, no, no, no.
F1
Going into such detail.
M1
Stop this arguing.
01:40:42/20:10:42 F1 Im not arguing. Thats why Im saying
M1
Uncle*s name- sister fucker, didnt we get phone* calls, which she herself went and told her friends, Where they are doing my-.
F1
Said to the friends- the friends
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M1
And (Shafilea) had already told those sister fuckers, so how are you (going to hide it).
F1
she would have told her friends other things that, They have done this to me, so it comes back to that. So it comes back to that-
M1
Comes back to what?
F1
Comes back to that
M1
What did we do to her?
01:41:00/20:11:00 F1 Yeah, and thats what Im saying. Forget what she says. Dont say that she says it. She had gone and said other things, as well.
M1
But even if it was said/happened, it doesnt mean that we accepted the marriage proposal.
F1
All right, thats what Im saying, even if she kept asking you, you should have said, Im just (worried about my health*) go- I will go. What need is there for you to say, Im going to meet him and
M1
And so, what about the solicitor. Do you appoint a solicitor in secret?
F1
Even still, you dont talk about your personal things.
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01:41:21/20:11:21 [End of section 20]
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Section 21 AG 24/Tape 39 Tape commenced at 18:30 on 27/11/03 and ended at 07:08 on 28/11/03 03:19:49/21:49:49 [Start section 21]
F1
[Whispered] Im saying the car (three times).
M1
What are they going to find in the car?
F1
[Whispered]
M1
Leave it out.
03:20:05/21:50:05 F1 [Whispered]
M1
Eh?
F1
[Whispered] there is something people
03:20:13/21:50:13 M1 They are just doing that, dont worry about it.
03:21:00/21:51:00
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F1
No, and even if there is saliva in the car, its not as if she didnt sit in the car, no so it comes back to that, what is so secret about that?
[Whispered]
03:21:17/21:51:17 ? Mm?
F1
[Whispered] Who knows our
M1
you are really doing girl youre just talking rubbish.
F1
went to Pakistan
03:21:41/21:51:41 M1 They can bring whatever they want. Is he/she in Pakistan now? So, they went to Pakistan, and thats why the sister fuckers are going on the marriage proposal. So, fucking what, whatever happened over there. (Does it/Doesnt) make any difference? 03:22:04/21:52:04 M1 She went to Pakistan, so werent all the other kids with her in Pakistan, as well. 03:22:22/21:52:22 F1 Whatever there is, is down to the teacher* and girls
M1
Its all right, dont worry about it. Ive told the solicitor about that, as well.
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F1
Mm.
M1
He says, Dont worry about it. If they have said this thing, or they have put that in her head, then what proof* do they have? What do they know? What do they14 know about you? What do they know about your family*? What do they know about your culture*? They know fucking nothing-
F1
Yeah, then you should have said, you should have said, that they didnt even- its like when a person hears of something, they should say, they were upset by it or something-
M1
I said it.
F1
Yeah.
03:22:56/21:52:56 [End of section 21]
14
They relates to a group of females.
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M2
Mm.
F1
Brother, they found Wasims email* and address* and phone* number*.
M2
All right.
F1
They photocopie*d that and gave it back to us. I said, If you want to take them, take them.
M2
F1
I said to Naseer, as well, I said, We cant phone* from home/the house because our- we know that they know everything because they have done something.
M2
F2
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F1
They have done it. Our- (fault/I swear), brother, I- you dont believe it but I dont even say that much because Im saying that who knows, what they have done in our house-
M2
No, its right, absolutely right
F2
Have done.
F1
(They) have done. No-
M2
(You never know/Theres no doubt in that.)
F1
These days, they say they can put those small things in-
M2
There-
F1
They can
M2
There- there is no doubt in that.
03:08:58/14:50:58 F2 Yeah say.
F1
Brother, they kept my mobile* for a whole week*. They kept Junaids for a whole week*. They kept his15 and they say people- they can put
15
In this context his is used in reference to her husband.
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in particular types of chip*s and they can listen to what you are saying.
F2
Its right.
M2
F1
Even if it is a pay* and* go* one.
03:09:07/14:51:07 M2 Its right, exactly-
F2
F1
They have all these things, for things like that-
M2
Its right, exactly.
03:09:10/14:51:10 F1 I said, I cant phone* you, so you phone* Wasim, so that if they ask him anything- and really, I swear, sister, no one knows anything about why she is ill and why not- and about marriage, in front of you, sister, now, even you know-
F2
Yeah
F1
It is not easy to have a marriage done.
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F2
M2
Its right.
F1
Or, brother, who was the person who was going to get married. Or even if-
F1
Ifthikar knows
F2
No. Farzana.
F1
Yeah.
F2
At the end of the day, you do have the thoughts.
F1
Have them, yes.
F2
And all- I said to Haji.
F1
Yes.
F2
I said.
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F1
Yes.
F2
All people ask their daughters-
F1
Ask their daughters, yes, ask them.
F2
Dont we ask?
03:09:33/14:51:33 [End of section 22]
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M2
All right.
F1
And I said, I went. And Who went with you? Who went with her? I said, My sister*s husband* went as well.
M2
Mm.
F1
M2
Yes, yes, thats right.
F2
Mm.
00:17:11/12:02:11 F1 Now, you know, I- now, his16 brother isnt (in the papers), I couldnt say
M2
not the brother
F1
I said, my sister*, her husband, I said he went with me.
16
In this context, his is used as a term of respect for ones husband.
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M2
went.
F1
went. And I said-
M2
Mm.
F1
We went there.
00:17:19/12:02:19 M2 Mm.
F1
Hospital name? I said, I dont know, there on that (lane*/line*) hospital name.
F2
Yeah, its not as if
F1
I dont know and its true, I swear, sister, I dont know the name of that hospital-
F2
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F1
That hospital name. Yeah, I said, (Anyway*/Its not that), if you still want to know, we will ask but I dont know right now, what the name of the hospital is, I-
M2
Mm.
F1
I said it was night time* and I was really upset*, myself. I said, I dont know which hospital it was or wasnt.
M2
00:17:39/12:02:39 F1 Thats it, end of story. Even now, brother dear, however they could, they should have come for one minute and asked us, without asking us about this through* the phone*.
F2
F1
Okay, he/they didnt have to come, whoever wanted to come could have come. Arif could have come, or whoever could have come, they could have said, Well, you know through the papers who my parents are.
F2
Its right.
00:17:52/12:02:52
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F1
Now, since they have interview*ed them and Arif, as well, and they kept saying, He is your big brother and so he would have consulted you.
F2
Would have done it
F1
That we are going to have a wedding.
00:17:59/12:02:59 [End of section 23]
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M2
No, we know about this
F2
say this. He isnt going to say it.
F1
Just say that they went over there and did an enquiry*-
M2
No, no, hes not going to say that-
F2
He never talked about that.
M2
I told you before that Ive told Haji that even if they come home/to the house, tell them this.
00:20:31/12:05:31 F1 Tell them this, yeah.
M1
Yeah, so it comes back to that
M2
Thats right, isnt it? I said that before.
F1
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00:20:34/12:05:34 M2 The only issue is the papers in the village, you go to the house.
F2
Yeah.
F1
This is it. This is
M2
I dont know about the village people. I came for this reason
F1
This
F2
Yeah.
F1
Yes
00:20:41/12:05:41 M2 I have only come here for this reason.
F1
Thats what I was going to say to you.
M2
Yes.
F1
They are going to go as far as showing a photo*.
M2
Because-
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F1
Whos son is this?
00:20:40/12:05:40 F2 Yeah.
M2
You know I havent said anything on the telephone*
M2
not on your telephone*.
F1
Yes, yes will do it.
M2
Because it is possible it could be tape*d.
F1
what is happening.
M2
What do you think?
F1
... thats right.
00:20:53/12:05:53 M2 Thats why I came here, especial*ly-
F1
Yes.
M2
Listen.
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F1
Yes.
M2
I came here today, with the intention-
F1
Yes.
M2
I said, (bring that up again)-
F1
Yes.
M2
Your what have you thought, you can only ask brothers and sisters, what else can brothers and sisters do-
F1
Yes. Yes. Yes. Thats right. Thats right.
M2
But my aim was-
F1
Yes, yes.
M2
It was that in the papers-
F1
Yes.
M2
You should write Mian Khan.
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00:21:06/12:06:06 F1 Yes, son, thats right.
M2
Thats how it is, isnt it? When the enquiry* goes to the village.
00:21:09/12:06:09 F1 Yes.
M2
Okay, so the enquiry* goes to the village. Okay, that, yes, I mean, here, someone will say Mian Khans house is here.
F1
Yes.
M2
Why did they go here?
F1
Yes.
M2
Who is he?
F1
Who is he. Yeah.
00:21:17/12:06:17 [End of section 24]
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F1
Do you know what, brother dear, this now isnt house
M1
That isnt anything.
F1
Yeah, but there is, If they ask a stranger.
Yes.
F1
He will say, that he er is Sarwars son. This only little thing-
F2
F1
They might come back and do it-
M2
Yes, yes-
F2
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F1
But they cant do anything else.
00:23:11/12:08:11 M1
M2
Do you know what-
F1
Yeah.
M2
Even if they find out about Sarwar.
F1
Yes.
M2
It doesnt matter.
F1
Yes.
M2
They will just think-
F1
Yes.
M2
That however many statements were given by the people from Bradford-
F1
Yes.
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M2
They were all lies.
F1
They have been lying.
00:23:20/12:08:20 [End of section 25]
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M2
Yes, yes.
M1
Its been s- eighteen years since-
M2
Yes, yes.
M1
I had a wife before I married her and I had a child, as well, you know dont you.
M2
Right, I know.
M1
Eh?
M2
It was like that.
M1
It was this same uncle17 who made me leave him/it.
M2
Mhm.
01:12:40/12:57:40
17
This is a reference to a paternal uncle.
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M1
Ive kept that in my heart and havent said anything up until now. And now my other children are being taken away from me, as well.
M2
Mm.
M1
Now, I cant cope with it.
01:12:51/12:57:51 [End of section 26]
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In the Matter of R -v- Ahmed & Ahmed

00:01:44/20:51:44 Audio file time/Real time

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Mum, do you know what.

You know all my clothes that were in the bathroom*.

They were there and all.

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

Leaving aside the clothes, the whole carpet* from upstairs-.

00:02:08/20:52:08 M1 They did everything*.

Even the cushions from the sofa*s have been moved.

Forget the cushions-

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

you know that-

That- that thing?

That has been move*d as well.

00:02:30/20:52:30 M1 And what did they need with the sheet?

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

I ... behind the ...

00:03:06/20:53:06 M1 ... to take it and took it.

You know the phone* number*s you kept on pieces of paper*.

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

Theyve taken all those-

Taken them. And Rukishs-

Is that yours? Er is it Rukishs?

We thought that was yours.

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

They went in there, as well?

00:03:45/20:53:45 MC They broke it.

You know that-

Thats why you can tell.

Cant you tell?

What did they break?

The one that was paint*ed. It was stuck, wasnt it.

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

And what have they done outside?

What have they done?

I dont know ... didnt go outside.

Yeah. You know the side* store*?

00:04:13/20:54:13 MC Theyve taken that- taken there.

What have they taken then?

Who knows, child, what they have taken-

... and this ...

00:04:21/20:54:21 FC Didnt show/say you?

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

Look at this, Mehvishi.

And they have torn that paper*.

Do you know why?-

There was that other paper*. Eh?

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

00:04:42/20:54:42 F1 They have torn it.

00:04:45/20:54:45 S This as well ...

00:04:53/20:54:53 S No, I ...

... which phone* book* did they take?

Blue one ...

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

There was that ... in that.

That with them, as well.

00:05:04/20:55:04 MC They said they want to look at that, as well.

R-v- Ahmed & Ahmed - Transcript of Sections of Audio ASB/4

You know my computer*.

There was one in my room*, as well, in the drawer*.

You know the phone* numbers you kept on pieces of paper.

There was one in my room, as well, in the drawer.

Theyve taken daddys tow, that thing.