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Australian Agenda26 August 2012 Elizabeth Broderick 
Sky News Australian AgendaElizabeth Broderick  26 August 2012
Interview withElizabeth Broderick  Australian Agenda program,26 August 2012 Peter van Onselen:Welcome back, you're watching Australian Agenda. That was the Defence MinisterStephen Smith speaking during the week and reacting to the Sex DiscriminationCommissioner Elizabeth Broderick's report into the defence force. Thanks very much foryour company.Elizabeth Broderick:Thank you Peter.Peter van Onselen:Let me just ask you I guess about one particular aspect of this, the idea of quotas. Howmany women would you like to see in the defence force?Elizabeth Broderick:We didn't actually say "quotas", we said "targets" and there is quite a distinction, I cantalk to you about that later. But what is the exact number? I can't say what the exactnumber of women in the defence force is. It's 13.8 currently. It's definitely more thanthat. Is it 30%? Is it 20%? Is it 50%? I can't really say. What I can say is, though, we'llknow we've got about the right number when women choose not to go into thedefence force, not because they feel they'll be excluded through the culture and other
 
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things but because that's not an employer that interests them. So I don't think there isa single number but it's very much about having that inclusive culture whichmay - allows women to be equal partners with men.Paul Kelly:How does the target work then?Elizabeth Broderick:So we put three what we call temporary special measures or targets. So it's for defencethemselves, the ADF to define what the target is. The first one would be at recruitmentand, in fact, you may be aware that the Chief of Army has come out and said that hewants 15% of new recruits to be female. So there's one target there. There will be atarget in relation to the number of flexible work arrangements because we found thatthe ADF, only 1.7% of the workforce works in any form of flexible work arrangementand that's just far too low. And the third target we put, and it's probably the mostcontroversial, is to expand the range of people who are going into staff college or thosepromotional gateways, so that's not a target directed necessarily at women. It's sayingthat people should be able to come from noncombat-related cause as well as thecombat cause.Paul Kelly:Can I just ask you a general question. I mean, in terms of looking at the ADF howshocked were you about the culture and is it worse than the culture that prevails inother Australian institutions?Elizabeth Broderick:I want to start by saying I saw so much that was positive in the ADF, so much that wasimpressive, I have to say some of the most impressive women and men I met as Itravelled round Australia. Having said that, there were instances, and I talked aboutthem in the report, where I sought and met people who had deeply distressing stories.
 
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Is it worse than I might see in other organisations, civilian organisations? I'm not surewhether the prevalence is worse but what I would say is the severity of some of thosestories is worse than I would expect to see elsewhere.Paul Kelly:To what extent do you think this can actually be addressed? I mean, the ADF is a verydifferent sort of institution. I mean, by definition in terms of its fundamentalresponsibilities. I mean, I think there are always going to be limits to the role of womenin the ADF. I appreciate we've got 13% now, we're going to increase that. But it is adifferent institution. So to what extent do you think you can actually address theculture and change it?Elizabeth Broderick:It is a different institution, I was very clear to make that point in my report. And it's aninstitution which, for personnel who serve there, it carries many more inherent risksthan any other institution you might come to. But really sexual assault, sexualharassment, victimisation, bullying, they should not be part of the inherent risks thatare appropriate when I serve in the defence force. I do think there's a lot that can bedone to really evolve a culture, firstly to making it a contemporary culture, a culturewhich attracts the best talent Australia has to offer. But secondly, which mitigatesagainst some of the current deficiencies such as those issues, the issues around sexualharassment but not just those issues, the ability that as a woman I might be able tohave a career that takes me to senior leadership level, that I can have an opportunityto serve in any role that I choose and a desire to serve in, there's some reallysignificant structural impediments currently and they're the things that need to change.Paul Kelly:What about the work/family thing? I mean, you stress this a lot and again the ADF is aparticular here because of the strains that it places on the family in terms of postingsand so on. So what can you do to get that work/family balance right?

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