Tere are some muns there if you want . . .
everybody can take a walk? Or why do we assume that a walk requirestwo feet or being able to stand upwards or being able to balance onwhatever feet one has? So I wanted to call into question the idea of tak-ing a walk. When I asked Sunny, “do you take walks?” I wasn’t sure if that would be the term she would use for going out for a stroll in herwheelchair. She said, “yes, I take walks everyday” and I replied, “perfect!Let’s start with that.” You can take a walk in a variety of ways: on wheels,through film, in your dreams. It doesn’t necessarily mean that one hasthe mobility and balance that we associate with physical walking. Iwanted to let “taking a walk” become a metaphor, or at least a transpos-able term that could describe any number of ways of being in motion.U A: hat walk stayed with me for days, after the movie, afterI left the theater and went home. You spoke of this kid, the one whoalways had a queer walk, and just because of that walk he was murderedby his friend. How movement can be everything. here was somethingamazing and yet simple in that. Some say that your writing is compli-cated, but there is a simplicity that is very deep at the same time.I want to go back a bit. In Israel, people know you well. Your namewas even in the popular film
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) Although I disagreed with the use of my name in that context. I mean, it was very funny to say, “don’t JudithButler me,” but “to Judith Butler someone” meant to say somethingvery negative about men and to identify with a form of feminism thatwas against men. And I’ve never been identified with that form of femi-nism. hat’s not my mode. I’m not known for that. So it seems like itwas confusing me with a radical feminist view that one would associatewith Catharine MacKinnon or Andrea Dworkin, a completely differentfeminist modality. I’m not always calling into question who’s a man andwho’s not, and am I a man? Maybe I’m a man. (
) Call me a man.I am much more open about categories of gender, and my feminism hasbeen about women’s safety from violence, increased literacy, decreasedpoverty, and more equality. I was never against the category of men.U A: A beautiful Israeli poem asks, “How does one become Avot Yeshurun?” Avot Yeshurun was a poet who caused turmoil in Israelipoetry. I want to ask, how does one become Judith Butler—especially with the issue of
the book that so troubled the dis-course on gender?J B: You know, I’m not sure that I know how to give anaccount of it, and I think it troubles gender differently depending on
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