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2007-10-03, 20:36
General Patton
 
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The following excerpts are from american historian Christopher R. Browning's book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the FinalSolution in Poland (1992). The book is a reconstruction of the events and motives that led 500 middle-aged, middle-class German men of  Reserve Police Battalion 101 to launch a reign of terror against Jews in Poland in July 1942. By November 1942, these ordinary civilians had brutallykilled at least 85,000 Jewish people. It isimportant to note that the commanding officer, Major Trapp, explicitely offered to "excuse" anyman who did not want to participate in the impendingmass murder. Trapp's offer thrustresponsibility unto each man individually. Unlike Regular soldiers, these policemen bore theburden of choice. They were not " just following orders." The pressure to conform to their peers` expectations, however, was paramount."Only the very exceptional remained inidfferent totaunts of 'weakling' from their comrades and could live with the fact that they wereconsidered to be 'no man'... Killing was seen as a collectiveobligation, so not killing as asocial vis-a-vis one's comrades. Those who did not shootrisked isolated (and) rejection... -a very uncomfortable prospect within the framework of a tight- knit unitstationed abroad among a hostile population, so that the individual had virtuallynowhereelese to turn to for support and socialcontact." (pp. 184-185)Browning notes that no member of Reserve Police Battalion was physically harmed or punishedfor refusing to shoot. Instead, outright refusal - total nonconformity - brought other, moresubtle, consequences."There is the threat of isolation... Stepping out could have been seen as a moral reproach of one's comrades: the nonshooter was potentially indicating that he was 'too good' to do suchthings... Most nonshooters intuitively tried to diffuse criticism of their comrades.... They pleadednot that they were 'too good' but rather that they were 'too weak' to kill." (p.185)"...most of those who did not shoot only reaffirmed the 'macho' values of the majority -accordingto which it was a positive qualtiy to be 'tough' enough to kill uinarmed, noncombatant men,women, and children - and tried not to rupture the bonds of comradeship that constituted theirsocial world.What, then, is onje to conclude? ... The reserve policemen faced choices, and most of themcommitted terrible deeds. But those who killed cannot be absolved by the notion that anyone inthe same position would of done as they did. For even among them, sp,e refused to kill andothers stopped killing." (p. 188)"Yet 80-90 percent of the men proceeded to kill, though all of them - at least initially - werehorrified and disgusted by what they were doing. To break ranks and step out, to adopt overtlynonconformist behavior, was simply beyond most of the men. It was easier for them to shoot."(p.184)"...Within virtually every social collective, the peer group exerts tremendous pressures onbehavior and sets moral norms. If the men of Reserve Police Battalion 101 could become killer
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under such circumstances, what group of men cannot?" (p.189)
2007-10-04, 05:15
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http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_..._die_intro.htm"Did 6 million really die?" ebookAn interesting discussion on how 6 million Jews couldn't have possibly died in the holocaust;takes a little bit to get into, but it changed my thinking about this matter for good.
2007-10-07, 14:10
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http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_..._die_intro.htm"Did 6 million really die?" ebook  An interesting discussion on how 6 million Jews couldn't have possibly died in theholocaust; takes a little bit to get into, but it changed my thinking about this matter for good.
This is
Knowledge Thread
, not
Gullible Thread
for Gullible Thread 
please got to:www.infowars.com
2007-10-07, 15:07
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Re: Knowledge Thread 3
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This is
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for Gullible Thread please got to:www.infowars.com
Thats pretty anti-semetic. I bet your a jew.
 
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 2007-10-07, 22:53
nshanin
 
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Re: Knowledge Thread 3
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This is
Knowledge Thread 
 , not 
Gullible Thread 
for Gullible Thread please got to:www.infowars.com
I assumed that since people posted about conspiracy files and aliens that I was free to postabout the holocaust, but apparently not. Did I say I believed what it said? No, just that itchanged my thinking.
2007-10-08, 00:50
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This is
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for Gullible Thread please got to:www.infowars.com
This post is bullshit. It's knowledge.EDIT: and infowars has much of its' arguments mirrored on other "legitimate" sites first
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2007-10-08, 00:53
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Most of them; wo/ Oussebon to do everything it'll just fall apart.

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