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 58Constructivist Foundations 2007, vol. 2, nos. 23http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/journal/
 Distinguishing Ernst von Glasersfeld’s“Radical Constructivism” fromHumberto Maturana’s “Radical Realism”
 The leakingconstructivist boatadrift in an ocean of realism
 It is not my intention to compare their entireworks in this short paper. It would be likecomparing apples and pears – they have pro-duced very different models and for very dif-ferent purposes. While Ernst von Glasersfeldhas always limited himself to a sharp focus onepistemology, Humberto Maturana hasdeveloped several different models relating tothe different areas of cellular biology, experi-mental epistemology, neurophysiology, lan-guage, visual perception, and the “definitionof the living,” among others. Indeed, in recent years Ernst von Glasersfeld (1995) has writtenthat he now tries to avoid even using the term“epistemology” and writes about human“knowing.”“…(this book) is an attempt to explain away of thinking and makes no claim todescribe an independent reality. That iswhy I prefer to call it an approach to or atheory of knowing. Though I have usedthem in the past, I now try to avoid theterms ‘epistemology’ or ‘theory of knowl-edge’ for constructivism, because they tend to imply the traditional scenarioaccording to which novice subjects areborn into a ready-made world, whichthey must try to discover and ‘represent’to themselves. From the constructivistpoint of view, the subject cannot tran-scend the limits of individual experience.”(Glasersfeld 1995, pp. 1–2)In his early studies Ernst von Glasersfeldnoted a problem in Wittgenstein’s (1933)assertions about comparing our picture of reality with the reality in question in order todetermine whether or not our own picturewas true or false. Ernst von Glasersfeld(1987) comments:“How could one possibly carry out thatcomparison? With that question,although I did not know it at the time, Ifound myself in the company of SextusEmpiricus, of Montaigne, Berkeley, andVico … the company of all the coura-geous sceptics who … have maintainedthat it is impossible to compare ourimage of reality with a reality outside. Itis impossible, because in order to checkwhether our representation is a ‘true’ pic-ture of reality we should have to haveaccess not only to our representation butalso to that outside reality 
before
 we get toknow it. And because the only way inwhich we are supposed to get at reality isprecisely the way we would like to checkand verify, there is no possible escapefrom the dilemma.” (Glasersfeld 1987,pp. 137–138).So here is a very clear condemnation of “epistemological cheating” – the impossiblefeat of trying to peep around our perceptual“goggles” to see if our “picture” is approxi-mating to the “real reality” or not. Over thepast 20 years Ernst von Glasersfeld has put alot of effort into understanding just wherehis work and the work of Humberto Mat-urana differ, especially in the fundamentalmatters of epistemology. Apart from hisgrave reservations about key concepts of Maturana’s work such as the “observer” (andhow he comes about), “consciousness,”“awareness,” and “language” (its genesis, andthat it precedes cognition, etc.), Ernst vonGlasersfeld shares the perplexity of otherauthors regarding the ways in which Mat-urana can be seen to be “smuggling realism”back into his opus in one form or another(Mingers 1995, Johnson 1991, Held & Pols1987). In Maturana’s writings there are many passages where one gets the impression thathe edges over into the terrain of “realism” inhis discussions and phraseologies. Inattempting to understand this Ernst von Gla-sersfeld (1991) tries to explain that Maturana
 Vincent Kenny 
A
 Accademia Costruttivista di Terapia Sistemica (Italy) <kenny@acts-psicologia.it>
Purpose:
Ernst von Glasersfeld has dedicated a lot of effort to trying to define just wherehis views and those of his friend Humberto Maturana part company, epistemologicallyspeaking (Glasersfeld 1991, 2001). As a contribution to unravelling this puzzle I propose inthis article to delineate just where they seem to differ most and why these differences arise.
 Approach:
Part of my contribution is to propose drawing a distinction between von Gla-sersfeld’s Radical Constructivism as the last viable outpost of constructivism before enter-ing into the domain of solipsism, in contrast to Maturana’s position which is saved frombeing located within the solipsistic domain by virtue of his ideas on “structure determinedsystems” and his theory of how language arises in human experience.
Findings:
Von Glasersfeld’s puzzle arises due to what Kant called “transcendental illusion,that is, the error of trying to encompass two mutually untranslatable phenomenal domainswithin the same language framework.
Conclusions:
After an examination of some of thecrucial differences between von Glasersfeld and Maturana I typify Maturana’s positioningas that of “radical realism” in contrast to von Glasersfeld’s “radical constructivism.”
Key words:
Epistemology, transcendental illusion, radical realism, map–territory.
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 “… is obliged to use a language in hisexpositions that has been shaped and pol-ished by more than two thousand years of realism – naïve or metaphysical – a lan-guage that forces him to use the word‘to be’ which, in all its grammatical forms,implies the assumption on an ontic real-ity.” (Glasersfeld 1991, p. 66)However, I believe that there is moreinvolved here than the constraints of the “lan-guage of realism,” because Maturana (1986)has frequently not helped matters by insertingpassages in his writings which are epistemo-logically ambiguous. For example, he hasclaimed that it is an “epistemological neces-sity” to expect that there is a “substratum” asthe ultimate medium in which everythingtakes place. Such remarks can lead one toquestion whether or not he is smuggling“realism” back into his model.In this brief article I will try to throw a littlelight on Ernst von Glasersfeld’s puzzle aboutwhere he and Maturana part epistemologicalcompany. I will try to trace several importantdifferences in their theories, relating my dis-cussion to how they variously define the way the person experiences their living. I will try to point out some forks in the road where they wander off in different directions, beingmindful that while Maturana has tried consis-tently to build up a major overarching philo-sophical model, von Glasersfeld has strictly limited himself to the epistemological task of delineating what human knowing can be andcannot be.
Structure-determinismand the dilemma of “choice”
A good starting point for this task is the issueof how “free” or “constrained” we are in ourinteractions with our world and others. BothErnst von Glasersfeld and Humberto Mat-urana can be read as dealing with how muchfreedom to manoeuvre we have in copingwith life’s events. Ernst von Glasersfelddescribes how we must “fit” with the con-straints of the environment, while HumbertoMaturana’s notion of structure determinismcan be read as implying that the system has no“real choice” when it comes to the moment of taking action. Let us look a little more closely at these two positions.The relation of fitting that von Glasersfeld(1984) has in mind is conveyed in his meta-phor of a key fitting a lock:“A key fits if it opens the lock. The fitdescribes a capacity of the key, not of thelock. Thanks to professional burglars weknow only too well that there are many keys that are shaped quite differently fromour own but which nevertheless unlockour doors. …. From the radical construc-tivist point of view, all of us – scientists,philosophers, laymen, school children,animals, and indeed , any kind of livingorganism – face our environment as a bur-glar faces a lock that he has to unlock inorder to get at the loot.” (Glasersfeld 1984,p. 21).To continue his elaboration, von Glasersfeld(1995) says that our knowledge does not con-stitute a picture of the world.“It does not represent the world at all – itcomprises action schemes, concepts, andthoughts, and it distinguishes the onesthat are considered advantageous fromthose that are not. In other words, it per-tains to the ways and means the cognizingsubject has conceptually evolved in orderto fit into the world as he or she experi-ences it.” (Glasersfeld 1995, p. 114)In this relationship of knowledge to “real-ity” we see that it is a matter
not 
 of searchingfor an iconic representation of reality butrather the search for ways of “
  fitting”
 the con-straints that the environment provides. Thereal world is “contacted” by the system only where his modes of fitting the constraintsbreak down and do not manage to allow himto circumnavigate the encountered impedi-ments. It is also clear from his use of the met-aphor of lock/key that one may be outfittedwith a range of alternative keys one of whichmay work better than others to open the lock.This is an idea common to other constructiv-ists, notably among them George Kelly (1955), whose constructivist theory appliedto clinical psychology and psychotherapy waspremised on the notion of “constructive alter-nativism.” Kelly believed that in order to con-tinue to learn and to positively elaborate thepersonal construct system, the person mustchoose those alternatives which will lead tothe extension and/or definition of the con-struction system. Survival simply means con-structing
any alternative means whatever 
 which manage to get by the constraints. In any given environment there may be an infinitevariety of viable alternative solutions.“There are other consequences of the con-structivist approach to knowing that aresometimes met with indignation. If viabil-ity depends on the goals one has chosen –goals that necessarily lie within one’sworld of experience – and on the particu-lar methods adopted to attain them, it isclear that there will always be more thanone way. When a goal has been attained,this success must, therefore, never beinterpreted as having discovered
the
 way.This goes against the notion that repeatedsuccess in dealing with a problem provesthat one has discovered the workings of anobjective world. Solutions, from the con-structivist perspective, are always relative –and this, in turn, makes clear that
 problems
 are not entities that lie about in the uni-verse, independent of any experiencer.Instead, problems arise when obstaclesblock the way to a subject’s goal.” (Glasers-feld 1988, p. 88)While Ernst von Glasersfeld, on the onehand, seems to share with George Kelly theoutlook of “constructive alternativism,” on
Vincent Kenny about himself: “I was born inIreland and studied for degrees in philoso-phy and psychology at Trinity College Dub-lin in the 1960s. I graduated from there ata time when these subjects were still called“Mental and Moral Science” and have spentmy subsequent years wondering which waswhich. Since the 1970s I have workedapplying constructivist ideas in the very dif-ferent fields of psychotherapy, consulting toorganisations, and to tennis psychology – working with professionals in the ATP and WTA tours. I live in Rome, where I alsowork much of the time. My main currentposition is as director of the “AccademiaCostruttivista di Terapia Sistemica” inRome, which is a new center for training inradical constructivist psychotherapy approaches. I have a long-term writingproject with Ernst von Glasersfeld – a book on the application of radical constructivism to the area of psychotherapy – which Iseem reluctant to finish.”
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radical constructivism & biology of cognition
 the other hand, as I have previously observed(Kenny 1989), Maturana would seem to pre-empt out any alternative structural compen-sations at the moment of interacting with theperturbation at hand:“Maturana is
not 
 a constructive alterna-tivist because at the moment of choosingthere are no other alternatives possible.The ‘choice’ made was determined by thesystem’s coherence. It had to be made.Kelly himself would also appear not to bean alternativist with his emphasis on‘choice’ as a form of self-involvement andself-ordering, rather than saying muchabout the ‘objects chosen’.” (Kenny 1989,p. 120).So while for von Glasersfeld the personmay hold several alternative “keys,” for Mat-urana the person
is
 the key, and the person’sstructures have
implied
 the character of the“lock” – or brought it forth – as part of theircognitive domain in such a way that thereexists an effective structural intersectionbetween the “person-as-key” and the “lock.The structural autonomy of the system isparamount for Maturana. This means thatthe system can only do what it does at any particular moment of doing.
There are noother choices in the system.
 A system is alwaysin its proper place and cannot be mistaken.For Maturana, at the moment of takingaction the system has
no
 other choice thanwhat it does. The system does what its struc-ture is set up to do. Unlike von Glasersfeld’simages of “bumping into” the constrainingfeatures of the environment, for Maturana itis as if the system/medium structural coher-ences were “full up-” and every-“thing” wasin its reciprocally complementary position-ing – there being little or no space for new orextra elements to easily enter into the picture.In other words, there
are
 no spare compo-nents “hanging around” in the environmentwaiting for us to bump into them.From this point of view, to speak of havinga range of “choices” is misleading. Since theseimplicative construct pathways are already laid down within the ongoing system onecould argue that the “choices” are illusory since the structures of the system already contain the preferential direction of move-ment and action.Even though he has usually avoided label-ling his approach, Maturana once said jok-ingly to me that if Ernst was a “radical con-structivist” then he (Maturana) was a“radical radical constructivist,” because atthe moment of perceiving there
is
 no alterna-tive other than what our structure-deter-mined system dictates that we
must 
 do inorder to compensate effectively to the currentperturbationOn this analysis, the fact of having “nochoice” is a crucial parting of the waysbetween Ernst von Glasersfeld and Hum-berto Maturana. Humberto Maturana’s posi-tion is that our system specifies our mediumin such a way that it is co-existent, co-exten-sive, conterminous with our own embodiedexistence.So in this relationship of knowledge toreality, for von Glasersfeld the notion of “truth” is replaced by that of “viability” and“fit.” For Maturana it is not so much an issueof “fitting” or “viability” as it is an issue of structural coherences of the system in itsmedium. Maturana tries to elaborate this by describing the ways in which the observerbrings forth his own reality, and in doing sogenerates a pattern of structural synchrony orstructural coherences.
The inside–outsidedistinction
In their rejection of “realism” both authorshave been obliged to demonstrate how they avoid the epistemological quagmire of solip-sism. Here there is another difference thatopens up in their various approaches, withvon Glasersfeld taking the road of 
denying 
 that he is saying that “nothing exists outsideof people’s heads,” and repeating that he is
not 
 saying that reality does not exist. As a wry aside he says that: “In practice, solipsism isrefuted daily by the experience that the worldis hardly ever what we would like it to be”(Glasersfeld 1995, p. 113). For Maturana’spart, his refutation of solipsism takes off along the road of languaging (coordinationsof coordinations of actions) – which seems inmy view to lead him to the area of “structuralrealism.”Ernst von Glasersfeld reminds us thatconstructivists must be unwavering agnos-tics as regards “existence” because whatevermay lie beyond our experience is inaccessibleto our reasoning. He has many timesattempted to clarify that his concern is withwhat can be known rationally; he does notdeny that mystics and artists may access some“ulterior reality” in their own ways but only that such access must not be confused with arational theory of knowing.Among his many refutations of being asolipsist, Maturana refers to his theory of “languaging” which states that languagecomes about through the coordinations of the coordinations of actions among people ina co-ontogenic structural drift. The fact thatlater on we come to use this language toinvent notions such as “solipsism” saying thatthe mind alone creates the world, is a notionsimply refuted by the fact that his (Mat-urana’s) view of language development ispremised on the precedent existence of peo-ple who are coordinating their activitiestogether – clearly not a solipsistic context!Maturana and Varela positioned this prob-lem as part of an epistemological Odyssey,“sailing between the Scylla monster of repre-sentationism and the Charybdis whirlpool of solipsism” (Maturana & Varela 1987, p. 134).As part of his strategy to deal with the“outside world” and not be trapped in accu-sations of solipsism, von Glasersfeld pro-poses the use of the notion of the “black box.This also helps in the task of avoiding theconfusions of epistemological cheating by pretending that we can compare our “pic-ture” of the world to the “actual reality.” Hecomments:“If it is the experiencer’s intelligence orcognitive activity that, by organizingitself, organizes his experience into a via-ble representation of a world, then onecan consider that representation a model,and the ‘outside reality’ it claims to repre-sent, a black box.” (Glasersfeld 1987,p. 156)This helps emphasise that for von Glasers-feld there is a clear separation of what is“inside” the person and what is “outside” asthe “environment” or “reality.” It means thateverything that is outwith oneself – the envi-ronment, other people, children, dogs, etc. –are all black boxes from the observer’s pointof view. It means we can never “really know”what others are thinking or what they “really mean.” It means that we can never know thatwhat another person is feeling is “really like”what I am feeling. We can never find out whatthe other is “really like” because all we have togo on are our interpretations of what our
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