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Wisconsin Senate Debate Transcript 10/18/2012

Wisconsin Senate Debate Transcript 10/18/2012

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Closed captioning transcript of the debate between Rep. Tammy Baldwin and former Gov. Tommy Thompson, in Wausau, Wisconsin, on 10/18/2012.
Closed captioning transcript of the debate between Rep. Tammy Baldwin and former Gov. Tommy Thompson, in Wausau, Wisconsin, on 10/18/2012.

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>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF OUR WISCONSIN VOTE 2012 ELECTION>> COVERAGE.>> LIVE FROM THE UW MARATHON COUNTY CENTER FOR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT THEATER, IT'S>> THE WISCONSIN 2012 DEBATE, THE U.S. SENATE DEBATE.>> IT'S A PACKED HOUSE. 350 AUDIENCE MEMBERS JOIN BROADCAST AND ONLINE VIEWERS>> FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY FOR OUR ONE-HOUR WISCONSIN U.S. SENATE DEBATE.>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG, FROM WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.>> AND I'M CHARLES BENSON, OF TODAY'S TMJ4. LET'S WELCOME THE U.S. SENATE>> CANDIDATES, REPUBLICAN TOMMY THOMPSON AND DEMOCRAT TAMMY BALDWIN.>> [APPLAUSE]>> OUR FORMAT TONIGHT MIXES THE TRADITIONAL CANDIDATE Q&A WITH UNMODERATED>> INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES. SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE NEXT HOUR, THE>> CANDIDATES WILL TALK WITH EACH OTHER ON ISSUES. THESE WILL BE STRETCHES OF>> ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS. CHARLES AND I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE>> EXCHANGES IN ANY WAY.>> INSTEAD, IT'S A CHANCE FOR THEM TO CHALLENGE THEIR OPPONENT FOR MORE>> DETAILS ON THEIR POSITION, AND HAVE A HEALTHY EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.>> YOU CAN JOIN IN THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT DURING THE DEBATE BY GOING TO>> WISCONSINVOTE.ORG, JSONLINE.COM OR TODAYSTMJ4.COM FOR A LIVE WEB CHAT. AND>> SO, WE BEGIN. OUR FIRST TOPIC, JOBS AND THE ECONOMY, A SUBJECT THAT WAS>> HIGH ON THE LIST OF VOTER'S CONCERNS AS WE TRAVELED THE STATE.>> JOBS. JOBS IS NUMBER ONE. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT>> ENDED UP LOSING THEIR JOBS FOR OUTSOURCING, AND OTHER SITUATIONS, SOI>> THINK JOBS IS THE BIGGEST KEY RIGHT NOW FOR WISCONSIN, FOR SURE.>> I'M WORRIED ABOUT ONCE I GRADUATE, AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A>> CAREER. IF NOT, WOULD I HAVE TO RELOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE?>> IT'S MY AGE THAT IS PULLING ME DOWN, YOU KNOW? IT'S MY AGE. SO, NOBODY>> TOLD ME THAT.>> AND SO WITH THAT BACKDROP, WE ASK OUR FIRST QUESTION. ECONOMICS, 101 IS ALL>> ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IF IT'S DEMAND THAT PROMOTES BUSINESS EXPANSION>> AND HIRING, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO AN INCREASED DEMAND FOR PRODUCTS AND>> SERVICES AND TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY? THIS QUESTION GOES FIRST TO YOU,>> GOVERNOR THOMPSON. YOU HAVE 90 SECONDS.>> FIRST OFF, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT, AND THANK THE>> AUDIENCE FOR COMING. AND THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE WATCHING, THANK YOU. WHEN>> I WAS GOVERNOR, I WAS FACED WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION. I WORKED WITH THE>> DEMOCRATS TO CUT TAXES 91 TIMES. WE CREATED A STATE THAT WAS VERY OPEN FOR>> BUSINESS. WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE 742,000 JOBS. UNEMPLOYMENT WAS DOWN TO 2%.>> WORKING TOGETHER, WE WERE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A STATE THAT WAS ON FIRE. WITH>> REGARDS TO ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION, UNEMPLOYMENT DOWN>> BELOW 2%, ANYONE WHO WANTED A JOB COULD HAVE ONE. THAT'S MY RECORD. I'M A>> REFORMER. MY OPPONENT ON THE OTHER SIDE-- WE'RE IN THE HEART OF PAPER>> COUNTRY. THERE WAS A RULE THAT WAS PUT IN BY A.P.A., THE MACT RULE. IT'S>> GOING TO COST THE PAPER COMPANY ABOUT 7500 JOBS, SOME OF THOSE JOBS HERE IN>> WAUSAU. MY OPPONENT, SHE VOTED WITH THE EPA. SHE VOTED WITH EPA, AND THOSE
 
>> JOBS COULD BE LOST NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OF THE EPA RULES REGULATIONS. THE>> PAPER INDUSTRY IS VERY CRUCIAL TO THIS AREA, THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, AND I>> WANT TO TELL THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE, JUST LIKE I'VE ALWAYS FOUGHT FOR>> WISCONSIN, CREATING JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY, I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I WILL>> NOT GIVE EPA THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE DOWN PAPER COMPANIES IN WISCONSIN,>> LIKE MY OPPONENT DOES.>> CONGRESSWOMAN BALDWIN, YOUR TURN.>> I APPRECIATE AND ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SPONSORING THIS DEBATE, AND THE>> LIVE AUDIENCE, AS WELL AS THE TELEVISION AUDIENCE FOR PARTICIPATING. YOU>> ASKED ABOUT DEMAND AND THE IMPACT ON JOBS. RIGHT NOW, AND THE MIDDLE CLASS>> IN THIS STATE IS STRUGGLING. THE CENSUS BUREAU FIGURES SAY THAT MEDIAN>> INCOME IN OUR STATE HAS GONE DOWN 14.5% OVER THE LAST DECADE. WE'RE NOT>> TALKING JUST ABOUT THIS RECENT RECESSION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECADE.>> AND I THINK WE NEED A PLAN MOVING FORWARD FOR JOBS, FOR DEFICIT REDUCTION,>> FOR TAXES, ET CETERA, THAT KEEPS THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE STRENGTH AND THE>> GROWTH OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AT HEART. WHEN PEOPLE HAVE EXTRA MONEY IN THEIR>> POCKETS, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND IT IN SMALL BUSINESSES ACROSS THIS STATE.>> SO GROWTH IS ONE OF THE KEY-- HAVING PEOPLE WITH DISCRETIONARY INCOME IS>> KEY WITH GROWTH. I AGREE WE'RE IN THE HEART OF THE PAPER PRODUCING REGION>> OF WISCONSIN, AND THAT'S WHY I INTRODUCED A BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION EARLIER>> THIS YEAR THAT GOT WRAPPED INTO A LARGER BILL, SIGNED INTO LAW BY OUR>> PRESIDENT THAT LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD AND STOPPED CHINA'S CHEATING.>> THAT'S THE REAL THREAT TO OUR PAPER INDUSTRY. BUT ON THE MACT ISSUE,>> SENATOR KOHL AND I MET WITH A.P.A. SECRETARY LISA JACKSON AND URGED FOR>> MORE TIME. I HEAR A LOT FROM MY OPPONENT ABOUT HIS TIME IN THE '80s AND>> '90s IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION, BUT THE TRUTH IS, FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS,>> HE'S BEEN A PARTNER AT ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL LOBBYIST FIRMS IN>> WASHINGTON, FIGHTING FOR THE VERY POWERFUL INTERESTS.>> I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN OUR NEXT SEGMENT, BECAUSE AS>> WE SAID AT THE START, DURING PARTS OF THIS DEBATE, THE CANDIDATES ARE ON>> THEIR OWN, PRESSING EACH OTHER ON THESE ISSUES. MEANWHILE, CHARLES AND I,>> AGAIN, STEP OUT OF THE WAY.>> WE'RE GOING TO SIT ON OUR HANDS AND BITE OUR LIPS. THE IDEA IS TO GET THE>> CANDIDATES TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL, BE MORE SPECIFIC, MORE INTERACTIVE THAN>> THE STRAIGHT-UP MINUTE AND A HALF RESPONSE THAT WE MIGHT NORMALLY HEAR.>> THESE UNMODERATED SEGMENTS RUN ABOUT SIX MINUTES, WE WANTED TO REMIND YOU,>> THE AUDIENCE, OF THAT. WE'RE NOT KIDDING, CHARLES AND I ARE NOT INVOLVED.>> SO WE TURN THEM LOOSE NOW ON THIS QUESTION OF HOW TO GROW THE ECONOMY, AND>> WITH IT, JOBS. THERE'S NO DIRECTION ON WHO SPEAKS FIRST OR LAST. WE WON'T>> RUN ANY INTERFERENCE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.>> LET ME JUMP RIGHT IN. WISCONSIN IS A STATE THAT MAKES THINGS, SHIPS, PAPER,>> TOOLS, ENGINES. AND MANUFACTURING HAS TAKEN A HIT IN RECENT YEARS. IT'S WHY>> I CHAMPION BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER, SIGNED INTO>> LAW, TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, TO CRACK DOWN ON CHINA'S CHEATING, WHERE>> THEY SUBSIDIZE THE PAPER INDUSTRY THERE TO THE TUNES OF BILLIONS OF>> DOLLARS. BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY OF OUR JOBS OUTSOURCED,>> AND WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE PERVERSE INCENTIVES IN OUR TAX CODE THAT>> LEADS FOLKS TO BRING JOBS OVERSEAS. AND MY OPPONENT NOT ONLY REFUSES TO>> REPEAL THOSE, BUT HAS A HUGE ADDITION TO THAT IN HIS PROPOSAL THAT I'VE>> HEARD HIM TALKING ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN. AND LASTLY, WE IN>> MANUFACTURING, NEED TO PROMOTE BUY AMERICA POLICIES. WHEN WE'RE SECURING>> OUR HOMELAND DEFENSE, WHEN WE'RE SECURING OUR DEFENSE, WE OUGHT TO BE USING>> U.S. TAX DOLLARS FOR U.S. JOBS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN PUSHING,
 
>> BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE MORE TO DO. THAT'S JUST THE MANUFACTURING ECONOMY. WE>> ALSO NEED TO PROTECT THE VERY INVESTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO GROW. THAT'S>> EDUCATION, INNOVATION. THAT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE PAUL>> RYAN PLAN THAT TOMMY THOMPSON HAS CAMPAIGNED ON THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN IS>> ONE THAT WOULD GIVE ENORMOUS TAX BREAKS TO THE VERY WEALTHY, PAY FOR IT BY>> INCREASING MIDDLE CLASS TAXES, AND CUT THE VERY INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE>> TALKING ABOUT IN ORDER TO GROW OUR ECONOMY. INVESTMENTS LIKE EDUCATION,>> INFRASTRUCTURE, AND RESEARCH AND INNOVATION.>> WELL, THANK YOU. I CUT TAXES 91 TIMES WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR. SHE'S VOTED FOR>> 155 TAX INCREASES. I'VE CUT REGULATIONS. SHE WENT TO BAT FOR EPA, AND>> AGAINST THE PAPER INDUSTRY. THE PAPER INDUSTRY IS GOING TO LOSE 7500 JOBS,>> BECAUSE MY OPPONENT DIDN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AGAINST EPA. I CAN>> ASSURE YOU, THAT WON'T HAPPEN. NUMBER 3, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BUILD A>> PIPELINE DOWN FROM ALBERTA, CANADA. 20,000 JOBS COULD BE CREATED. THE>> PIPELINE FROM BROWNSVILLE, SEVERAL COMPANIES FROM WAUSAU, FROM WAUKESHA, TO>> CREATE JOBS. MY OPPONENT? SHE'S AGAINST THE PIPELINE. I DON'T KNOW WHY.>> 20,000 JOBS, POSSIBLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS. WE CAN DRILL OIL AND>> BRING IT DOWN AND BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT. MY OPPONENT IS OPPOSED TO>> THAT. MY OPPONENT IS ON THE EXTREME SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SHE TALKS>> ABOUT ONE BIPARTISAN BILL. WHEN THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, SHE'S VOTING>> 98% OF THE TIME WITH HER POLITICAL PARTY. SHE DOESN'T CHERRY-PICK. THIS IS>> THE ONLY EXAMPLE. AND THAT WAS A REPUBLICAN BILL. SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING>> FOR 14 YEARS. HER 14 YEARS IN CONGRESS HAS BEEN ABOUT PASSING THREE BILLS.>> ONE BILL, CHANGING THE POST OFFICE IN MADISON'S NAME TO BOB LAFOLLETTE.>> THAT'S NICE, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T CREATE ANY JOBS. THE TRUTH OF THE>> MATTER IS-->> I'D LIKE TO-->> I'M A REFORMER AND I'VE CUT TAXES. SHE RAISES TAXES. I CUT REGULATION. SHE>> INCREASES REGULATIONS. I CREATE JOBS. SHE DRIVES JOBS OUT OF THE STATE.>> I WANT TO REFLECT ONCE AGAIN THAT TOMMY THOMPSON TALKS A LOT ABOUT HIS TIME>> IN THE 1980s AND 1990s WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE. BUT THE FACT>> REMAINS THAT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, HE'S BEEN A PARTNER AT A POWERHOUSE>> LOBBYING FIRM IN WASHINGTON, D.C., REPRESENTING INTERESTS THAT HAVE TRIED>> TO WRITE THEIR OWN RULES. AND I KNOW WE'LL BE TALKING SHORTLY ABOUT ISSUES>> LIKE THE DEFICIT AND TAXES, WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY, BUT OUTSOURCING IS>> ONE OF THE KEY CONCERNS IN GROWING JOBS IN OUR ECONOMY. AND HIS FIRM HAS>> REPRESENTED COMPANIES FROM CHINA, AS WELL AS OUTSOURCING. AND HE REFUSES TO>> BEAR DOWN ON THE VERY PERVERSE TAX INCENTIVES THAT LEAD, INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE>> TO BRING JOBS OVERSEAS. I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN PRESS DOWN ON THIS. HE SAID A>> NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE SIMPLY UNTRUE. WITH REGARD TO THE EPA AND THE>> REGULATION THAT HE KEEPS REFERRING TO, SENATOR KOHL AND I CONDUCTED A>> MEETING WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR OF EPA ON BEHALF OF OUR PAPER INDUSTRY, JUST>> A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BECAUSE THIS RULE WAS BEING ANNOUNCED, AND WE WERE>> CONCERNED IT WASN'T GOING TO BE FAIR TO WISCONSIN PAPER MANUFACTURERS AND>> WE ARE PRESSING FOR CHANGES, JUST SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT OUR AIR AND OUR>> WATER, WHICH PAPERWORKERS, BY THE WAY, CHERISH AS MUCH AS YOU AND I DO, AS>> WELL AS KEEPING-->> YOU CAN TALK ALL NIGHT, AND YOU CAN TALK ON TRUTHS, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE>> MATTER IS, THE RESOLUTION WAS IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. IT WAS IN CONGRESS TO>> POSTPONE EPA, TO KEEP THE JOBS IN WISCONSIN. YOU VOTED AGAINST IT. SURE,>> YOU TALK ABOUT TAXES. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER, I WAS IN WISCONSIN CREATING>> JOBS WITH LHI AND AGA. I WAS INDIVIDUALLY HELPING TO CREATE JOBS.>> WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. IT WORKED PRETTY WELL, SO WE APPRECIATE>> THAT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO ANOTHER ISSUE THAT SEPARATES VOTERS AND

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