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People v. Drew Peterson - In Session facebook updates 8/22/12

People v. Drew Peterson - In Session facebook updates 8/22/12

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People v. Drew Peterson - In Session facebook updates 8/22/12Judge Burmila is on the bench. Before the first witness can be called, defense attorney Brodsky objectsto the potential testimony of an upcoming witness named Michael Miles. However, Prosecutor Pattoninforms the Court that the State has decided not to call this particular issue, and so the matter is moot.With that, the judge sends for the jury.The jurors are now in the courtroom. The State calls its first witness of the day: Jeffrey Pachter (questioned by prosecutor Connor). In 2003, he was working as a technician for a cable company.“Were you issued a badge at that time that had your picture on it?” “Yes.” He identifies his I.D. badgefrom that time period. “Was there a place you met in the morning for your job?” “Yes, we had a centrallocation in Downer’s Grove.” “Did you have occasion to meet Drew Peterson?” “Yes, I did.” Heidentifies the defendant in the courtroom. The witness admits that when he was 18 he had a sexualrelationship with a 15 year girl; he pled to a misdemeanor, and was ordered to stay away from the girl.He did not stay away, however, and was then forced to register as a sex offender for 10 years. “I wasworking in 2003, and it was late summer. I asked him if he could run my background and check it for me; I was having some problems getting a job, and I didn’t know why, because I was never convictedof a felony.” “After he did that, did he explain anything?” Objection/Overruled. “Yes, he told me thathe looked into what I asked him to, and he told me I had an FBI number. He said I could not have anFBI number unless I was a convicted felon.” “Because of that, were steps taken?” “Yes.” “So you weregrateful the defendant had helped you?” “Yes.”“You indicated the defendant asked you to help find someone to take care of his third wife?” “Yes.”The defense objects, and the parties go to a sidebar.The jurors and witness are excused from the courtroom. The judge continues to speak to the attorneysat a sidebar.The sidebar ends. The judge has apparently decided to instruct the jurors about something. He thensends for the witness and the jury.The witness and jurors return to the courtroom. Judge Burmila instructs them that the defendant has been charged with conduct other than that in the indictment, and they are to decide what weight should be given to this evidence regarding intent. Connor: “What did the defendant indicate?” “He said his ex-wife was causing him some problems.” “He indicated he would give me 25,000, and if I could findsomebody to do it for less, I could keep the balance . . . this was November, 2003 . . . he told me thatshe used to have a drug problem, and she worked at Red Lobster . . . he told me at the end of the ride-along, ‘This is something that you will take to your grave.’ He said if I called him on the phone to usesome kind of key phrase; it had something to do with cookies.” Objection/Overruled. “He asked me if Ifound somebody to let him know . . . he wanted to make sure that he had an alibi . . .he told me heeither wanted to be on vacation out of the country, or at Great America where he’d cause a fight, or something like that . . . so there’d be a record of him being at Great America at the time.” The witnessconcedes that he’s currently in a tax problem with the IRS, and they automatically take his refund. “Didyou call the state police to impart this information?” “No, I did not.” “Did someone call you from thestate police?” “Yes.”The witness says he spoke to Peterson on the phone in July of 2004. “The phone call you had with thedefendant . . . can you explain what you said?” “I called the defendant and asked him how his familywas doing. And then after that he said, ‘The favor that I asked of you, I don’t need it anymore.’
 
That concludes the direct examination of this witness. Attorney Joe Lopez then begins his cross. Thewitness concedes that he doesn’t remember if he told authorities at the time that Drew told him that hewas to take this to his grave. “That’s because you made this up today, didn’t you?” “No.” He deniesthat he lied to his bookie, but admits that he helped a friend fake a drug test. “Didn’t you commitinsurance fraud?” “I did not commit insurance fraud.” “You can’t even pay your taxes?” “At one time,no.” “You owned over $25,000 in back taxes at one time, didn’t you, Sir?” “Yes, I did.”Pachter denies that he actually contacted the state police after he’d seen something about the case onthe Nancy Grace show. “You came forward in this case because you expected to make money?” “No, Idid not.” “You expected to get your 15 minutes of fame?” “No, I did not.”“On Jan. 23, 2009, remember speaking to some police officers?” “Yes.” “Remember telling them thatyour co-worker asked you to help him with a workers comp scam?” “No, I do not . . . I do notremember that.” “Is there something wrong with your memory?” “No.” “It’s hard to remember whenyou’re making it up, isn’t it?” “I am not making it up.” “You were involved in a worker’s comp scam?”“I did drive him to the hospital.” “The person he defrauded was your friend?” “No.” “Because that’syour character, isn't it?” “No.”He knew Drew as friendly and hard-working. “You described him as an honest person?” “Yes.” “Yousaid that Drew helped you clear up the sex conviction?” “He got me on the right path.” “You registeredfor ten years?” “Yes.” “So when you claim you went on this ride-along, you were a convicted sexoffender?” “Yes.” “And you say you went to the Bolingbrook P.D. and filled out a form?” “Yes.” “You prepared for your testimony in this case?” “Yes.” “At no time, have you ever seen that permissionslip?” “No.” “It doesn’t exist, as far as you know?” “No.” “You weren’t shown that slip before youtestified today?” “NO.” “How many people have you killed?” “None.” “You’re not in a street gang, areyou?” “No.” “You don’t even own a gun, do you?” “No.” “You don’t even know what it’s like to plan akilling, do you?” “No.” “Did Drew ever use the words ‘kill my wife’?” “NO, he did not.” “When hetold you this, you didn’t go to the FBI?” “No.” “It was only after you saw Nancy Grace that you cameforward?” “After I saw Nancy Grace, yes.”The witness repeats that he and Drew had “several conversations” about going into a bar/pizzeria business together. “And it never happened, did it?” “No.” “You had plenty of personal conversationswith Drew at work?” “Yes . . . we talked almost every day that we were there.” “During thoseconversations, is it your testimony that Drew never once asked you that question?” “Not then.” “Heonly asked you after you signed a document, when he was in uniform?” “Yes.” “That was the only timehe ever did it?” “Yes.” “And you worked with him for almost two years?” “I don’t recall how long itwas; I don’t know when he started there . . . I don’t remember what year it was.” “Anything refreshyour memory?” “No.” “You’d talk about your wives and your families and other things?” “Yes.” ‘Atwork?” “Yes.”The witness denies a police report that says Drew asked him to go on a ride-along after the men hadgone bowling. “Remember stating to these state police officers, saying Drew asked you to go on a ride-along after you’d gone bowling?” “I did not tell them that.” “Is that wrong?” “Yes.” “So they didn’t getthat right, either, right?” “No.”“What month was this ride-along?” “November, of 2003.” “Did you know he was divorced at thistime?” “No.” “Well, didn’t you previously use the word ‘ex-wife’?’ “I don’t know if I did or not.” “Hedidn’t give you a picture of her?” “No.” “He didn’t give you an address of where she lived?” “No.” “He
 
didn’t give you a personal itinerary?” “No.” “Didn’t give you a down payment?” “No.” “Didn’t giveyou a gun?” “No.” “But he asked you?” “He asked me to find somebody else.” The prosecution has anobjection, and so the parties go to a sidebar.The sidebar ends. “He never asked you if you committed any murders?” “No.” “He didn’t tell you howto break into a house?” “No.” “He didn’t drive by her house and point it out to you?” “Correct.”“Didn’t tell you if she was Caucasian or not, right?” “Yes.” “He didn’t give you any information?”“Correct.” “You thought it was a joke, didn’t you?” “No, I didn’t think it was a joke . . . I didn’t knowhow to take it.” “You didn’t know if he was joking?” “I don’t know.” “He didn’t call you up any time between when you said he made this statement until you called him?” “Right.” “He didn’t doanything?” “No.” “And you didn’t do anything?” “No.” “Because you didn’t’ make much of it?”“Correct.” “You saw him at work the next day, and he didn’t say anything at work?” “No.”“You told the grand jurors that he referred to her as his ‘ex-wife’ . . . those were your words?” “Yes.”“During this conversation in the car, he never once mentioned the word ‘pension,’ did he?” “No.” “Henever mentioned property settlement?” “No.” “Child support?” “No.” “Maintenance?” “No.” “You toldthe grand jury that he said his ex-wife had something on him?” “Yes.” “She was going to go to the police station?” “I don’t know if she was going to go there, or just call somebody.” “Didn’t you say shewas going to go to the chief of police?” “No.”“Are you sure you weren’t charged with a felony?” “Yes.” “Have you seen any documents from your case?” “I have the original documents.” “Isn’t it true the charge was amended to a misdemeanor from afelony?” “Not that I’m aware of.” “Would you like to see a document to refresh your memory?” “No,thank you.” Objection/Overruled. “Would you like to see a copy of this document to refresh your memory?” “No, thank you.” “Agree that says ‘felony’ at the top of this document?” “Yes.” “So your case was reduced?” “Yes.”“You also testified at the hearsay hearing, and told the court that you didn’t know why Drew wantedthis done?” “Correct.” “And today you’re saying it was because his wife had something on him?” “Hedid not tell me why he wanted it done...he said she had something on her, but that’s not why he wantedit done.” “Then why did he want it done?’ “I don’t know.” “He also said he wanted to start a fight atGreat America?” “Yes.” “With his uniform on?” “If he wanted to.” “He wanted you to call him and tellhim when you found somebody?” “Yes.” “You could have used that money to pay the IRS off . . . youdon’t want to pay the IRS off, do you?” “Yes, I do. I’m in the process of doing that now.” “You never once mentioned in the grand jury or during the hearsay hearing...” Objection. The prosecution asks for a sidebar.“The ride-along that you had with him...how many hours was that?” “About a half hour to 45minutes...we drove around Bolingbrook.” “You didn’t do any police activity?” “Correct.”“Do you remember when you gave the videotaped interview in November of 2007?” “Yes.” “It was thesecond time you talked to the police?” “Yes.” “Do you remember that you were sleeping at the beginning of the tape?” “No.” “Remember saying that the last time you talked to Drew was inDecember of 2003?” “Yes.” “And you know Ms. Savio passed away in 2004?” “Yes.” “You also toldthe grand jurors, ‘I didn’t think he was really serious about it’?” “No, I do not remember saying that.”This portion of the grand jury transcript is read back. “Do you remember giving that answer?” “I doremember the question... yes, that’s the answer I gave.” “During this conversation, he didn’t put a timeframe on your ability to do this, right?” “No.” “HE didn’t tell you how he was going to pay you?”“No.” “You didn’t know if he was trying to set you up, do you?” “No.” “But you never talked about it

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