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IN

THE

COUNTY

COURT

OF THE
IN AND

17TH

JUDICIAL

CIRCUIT

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FOR BROWARD COUNTY,

FLORIDA

In

Re:

12045198T120A

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Christopher Morales

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North Regional Courthouse

1600 West Hillsboro Boulevard

Deerfield

Beach,

Florida

33442

September 25th,

2012

9:30a.m.-10:25a.m

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The Honorable Louis Schiff,

Presiding Judge

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TRANSCRIPT

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OF
PROCEEDINGS

(Excerpt)
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APPEARANCES:

CITY

OF

MARGATE
OF THE CITY ATTORNEY

OFFICE

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BY:

EUGENE
FOR

STEINFELD,
THE CITY OF

ESQ.
MARGATE

COUNSEL

THE

TICKET

CLINIC

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BY:

TED

L.
FOR

HOLLANDER,
CHRISTOPHER

ESQ
MORALES

COUNSEL

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WITNESS:

JOHN

CRABB

DIRECT
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EXAMINATION
HOLLANDER

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BY

MR.

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BY

MR.

HOLLANDER:

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Q.

Do you review the form before your

signature goes on it?

A. No.

Q.

Before

I just showed you this

form

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today,
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have you ever seen this exact form?

No. no. That specific form right there in

your hand,

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Q.
A.

So you don't personally sign it?

No.

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Q.
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Do you personally review it?

I review different ones at random.

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Q.
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Did you personally review this one?

No.

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Q.

How many forms of system reliability are

in existence with your signature on them?

A. I have no idea.

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Q.
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Can you estimate?

No, I wouldn't even have a guess.

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Q.
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How many a day do you review?

I review somewhere between 20 and 30 a

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day.

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Q.
A.

In the State of Florida?

In the State of Florida.

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Q.

How many UTCs are issued in the State of

Florida each day?

A. I don't know.

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Q.
Florida?

Aren't you in charge of the State of

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A.

I am the regional manager for the sites correct, not in the processing of

in Florida,
that.

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Q.

Do you know how many citations are

generated by each of your cameras? A.

for the

I can look it up,

entire state, no.

but do I know exactly

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Q.
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Can you estimate?

No.

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Q.
each

Can you estimate how many Margate does

month?
A. No.

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Q.

Now, at the bottom where your electronic

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signature has gone on it above that it says the

information contained herein has been furnished to

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you by a person with personal knowledge.

What person with personal knowledge told
you the notice of violation number?
A. That is a form that's automatically

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generated by a computer in the course of our

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business.

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Q.
right?

So the answer is nobody told you that,

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Repeat the question again.

THE COURT:
(Thereupon,

Read back the question.

the requested portion of the

transcript was read back).

THE COURT:
THE
MR.

Did anybody tell

No.

you?

WITNESS:

HOLLANDER:

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Q.

So when you signed or you electronically

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sign,

your document swears according to you under

the threat of perjury that a person with personal

knowledge told you things within the form;
isn't really true, A. is it?

that

My signature is on that form.

THE COURT: May I see that?

Don't answer the question.

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"I declare under penalty of perjury in

the State of Florida that the
is true and

aforementioned

information

correct."

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Sir,

do you have a lawyer?

Do

you have

a personal lawyer?
THE WITNESS: No.

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THE COURT:

Would you like an

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opportunity to hire a lawyer?

MR. STEINFELD: Your Honor, well

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THE COURT:
perjury.

He's asking questions about

I just want him to know.

lawyer, are you? attorney.

You're not his MR. STEINFELD:

I'm not his

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THE COURT:
MR.

He's asking him

I understand.

STEINFELD:

THE COURT:

--

regarding that question

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under penalties of perjury.

if he has a lawyer.

I want to know

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Do you have a lawyer?

THE WITNESS: No.

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THE COURT:
lawyer?

Do you want to hire a

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Sir,

I don't know where these questions

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are going,

but I have an idea where they may

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be going and I think I have an understanding

of what Mr. Hollander is doing. And, sir,

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I'm going to tell you right now that you

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might wish to speak to an attorney before you

answer any more questions. I can't tell you
I'm

what to do because I'm not your lawyer.

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only a judge in a civil case,

but he's going

to ask you questions about your signature and

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what appears perjury.

MR.

there under penalties

of

STEINFELD:

Your

Honor.

THE COURT:

Yes,

sir.

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MR.
cross

STEINFELD:
--

What he's going to say

THE COURT:

I don't know what he's going

to say on cross.

There's a spring-loaded

question out here right now dealing with his

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signature and whether he read it and whether

he knew it was under penalties of perjury. This is not your headache, counselor.

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It's his alleged signature on the bottom of

something. MR. STEINFELD: Well, I certainly would
obviously not

like him to make that decision,

I .

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THE COURT:

Well,

that's my whole point.

You're not his attorney.

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MR.

STEINFELD:

All

right.

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THE COURT:
city.
MR.

You're the attorney for the

STEINFELD:

That's

right.

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THE COURT:
attorney.

And his company has an

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MR.

STEINFELD:

Yes.

THE COURT:

I don't know if his

company

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has

advised him of anything.

It's a pretty

spring-loaded question about to happen and

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I'm not going to -- I just want him to be

aware of where he's going with this question.
MR. STEINFELD: All right. Here's what

I would like to do then.

Can we adjourn the

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proceedings and have him talk with his

company?

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THE COURT:

Absolutely.

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MR.
that.

STEINFELD:

All

right.

Let's do

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REPORTER'S

CERTIFICATE

STATE
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OF OF

FLORIDA BROWARD

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SS.

COUNTY
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I,

COLLEEN FOOTE,

Court Reporter and

Notary Public,

certify that I was authorized to

and did stenographically report the foregoing proceedings; and that the transcript is a true and

complete record of my stenographic notes

I further certify that I am not a

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relative,

employee,

attorney,

or counsel of any of

the parties,

nor am I a relative or employee of

attorney or counsel connected

any of the parties'

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with the action,

in the action

nor am I financially interested

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Dated this 2nd day of October,

2012

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COLLEEN FOOTE,

Court Reporter

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