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Golden Apple RoundtableJanuary 21, 2008
Mr. Dom Belmonte:
Good evening. Earlier yesterday afternoon, after the inauguration, by a unanimous vote of voice in the Senate, Arne Duncan was confirmed as the educationsecretary. As a long-time representative of Golden Apple, as a member of its board of directors, we have an affinity with Mr. Duncan, besides having long association with himthrough our professional means, that makes our conversation particularly pointed to offer him advice. Other organizations have done so, as you’ve seen and read. Here are 20questions for you to answer, Mr. Duncan. Here are five pieces of advice, Mr. Duncan.He’s going to be getting a number of these. But he will look at that which comes fromGolden Apple because of his association.And we’ve gathered together a number of representatives of both our Golden AppleAcademy and Teaching Scholar force, experts in administration and in instruction, inscience, in teacher preparation, in early childhood, middle school and high school. So wehave a good grouping of that representing the interests of the mission that Golden Applehas pursued for the past 24 years. So consider this a conversation in which the words willnot only be sent out to the general public, but directed towards someone who we knowwho’s going to have a direct impact on this nation’s education agenda.What advice could we offer him? Now we know in his confirmation hearings he listedfour – well, four particular topics that caught my eye among the things that he talkedabout that he wanted to focus on in his tenure: expanded early education, improvedteacher preparation and teacher quality, reduction of the dropout rate in this country in itshigh schools, increased access to college. These and other topics are among the thingsthat have been part and parcel of the work that we have done. So the first question that Iopen up for your consideration is, in your basket of desires, what do you think the newSecretary of Education should most focus on in trying to help improve the educationalexperiences of deserving children across this nation? I open it to anyone.
Mr. Mark Larson:
I’ll respond to that. I’m a professor of education at National-LouisUniversity, and I hope that doesn’t make it seem like this is why I’m responding this way, but I think teacher preparation is extremely essential. All four of those are great, actually.As I was listening to it I was really impressed with those choices. But teacher  preparation, I think, is going to be extremely important. You’ve got to get the right people in there, and they have to be prepared much better than they are currently prepared.
Ms. Carol Broos:
Well, we’re heading towards – I’m Carol Broos, a music teacher at a junior high, Sunset Ridge – and I think that we are really moving to a big digital age.President Obama’s picture is the first president that is an actual digital picture. TheWhite House now has their own site on the White House. They are moving toward adigital age, and we are not teaching a lot of our students digital skills. We’re still caught
 
2up in the paper, pencil. And at 4:00 they’re going home and they’re teaching themselveswithout any sense of what they’re really supposed to be doing.And as we prepare for our work force into the 21st century, everyone’s going to have tohave these digital skills. And a lot of times we’re not teaching those skills. And that’swhat I see as one of the – that’s why I was very excited to hear that he wants to look atthe dropout rate, because I think that’s one of the reasons kids drop out. They don’t seewhat they’re learning is going to actually get them a job. They don’t see that that’s thenext step. So I think that was – like I said, I was really excited to see that.
Ms. Lynda Parker:
I am particularly drawn towards the increased access to college. Asa high school counselor, this is something we work with on a daily basis, and I wouldalso suggest adding into that not only access to college, but also better preparation for thecollege experience, which would add into it leveling the field so that our students in public schools had just the same access and preparation as a private school that hasresources to have college labs and college advisors for just that part of their life, and theydon’t do other things; they simply get these students prepared and ready to go to college.So I would also add to that not just getting them in the door to college, but making surethey’re prepared to stay there for the four to five years it would take them to completetheir undergraduate education.
Ms. Susan __:
I think I just read something online about there’s 40 percent of our college students, because they were talking about loans. So there was a student whograduated, he is $125,000 in debt. And he is working at a $10 an hour job because hewas one of those students who got into college, ended up with this debt, but wasn’t prepared to do the kind of college work that demanded him to get the kind of job. Sothere’s something to be said that we want our kids to attend college, but if I’m not prepared, I’m going to come out with a degree that still puts me back at a $10 an hour with $125,000 debt.
Ms. Elizabeth Kirby:
I think that there really needs to be a clear curriculum, earlychildhood through college. I think that there are huge gaps when students go, sometimesfrom fifth grade to sixth grade, sometimes from eighth to ninth grade. And as a highschool principal, we really do see students who come in with some challenges. It’s verydifficult to address those if you’ve had students who have had one year, two years, threeyears, four years of weak, uncoordinated instruction. And it does lead to lack of engagement in school. It does lead to a dropout crisis. It does lead to teachers feeling burned out and overwhelmed.So if I could do one thing, I would really tighten the curriculum from three to 21 for students, and definitely lengthen the school day, without question. It is too short inelementary school, it is too short in high school. It does not prepare them for college,especially if you have students who are not going to necessarily have the supports to dothe two to three to five hours of homework that they need to do at night. You need thattime on task in the classroom.
 
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Ms. Michele Washington:
You know, speaking to the weak and uncoordinatedcurriculum and instruction, as a middle school principal, I see a lot of children fromurban settings who come ill prepared at the home base because the expectations that are placed on the school are sometimes unrealistic, because the school has now taken the place as the parent as well. And with the curriculum as well, we have a very broad basedcurriculum, but no real depth or core.And if we’re training students and educating them for the 21st century for jobs that don’teven exist currently, I think that we need to take a look at what we’re doing down theroad as well as what we have in front of us, and our parents need to be brought into that.And there should be a curriculum that speaks to partnering more with our parents who donot have those same kinds of experiences that our children are having today. And I think that that’s one of the things that Secretary Duncan should also take a look at, inconjunction with the curriculum and it wide span-ness.
Mr. Belmonte:
One of the unspoken topics that wasn’t mentioned in the confirmationhearings was interest in the emotional wellbeing of students. And for you, Linda, andyou, especially, Katie, this has been a very large part of your experience in education.And how important do you find this issue, and how could it be activated on a nationallevel?
Ms. Katie Hogan:
Well, I would tie the emotional needs of students just as importantlyinto the academic needs of students. One cannot supercede the other. And we have tolook at the reality that although college is a wonderful opportunity, it is a somewhatfantasy when students are facing the challenges of violence and poverty at the rates thatthey’re facing them right now. And I think that we need to find different ways and pathways to provide access for students.And I’d like to give a really specific example. We have, right now, in legislation, theDream Act that President Obama – and it’s great to say that – President Obama has putsupport behind, and I know that Secretary Duncan has put support behind that we could pass and get a lot of our students access to federal funds to go into college. In addition tothat, something as an educator for nine years at the high school level that I’ve never thought about doing until this past year is making more partnerships from the secondarylevel with the university level.Our school is partnered with Roosevelt University, which has promised all students if they can get a 20 on their ACT and a 3.0 GPA, they will get a full ride for four years atRoosevelt University. In addition to that, we have Roosevelt University studentsthemselves who want to be teachers coming into our school tutoring and working withkids from the ninth grade year. So not only are we improving teacher preparation bygiving them real life experiences working with urban youth, but we’re also creating thatculture of college that students are missing, and then saying if you put the work in, if you put the effort in, you will be rewarded by our society, and then you will come back andhopefully continue that process. But that’s something that is untraditional, and it’s
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