Tantric Buddhism - Tantric Philosophy - Quotations by Zen Master Rama,

Dr. Frederick Lenz

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Tantric Buddhism - Tantric Philosophy - Quotations by Zen Master Rama,
Dr. Frederick Lenz

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Zen Master Rama:

"The Buddha taught three cycles of teachings. His first cycle of

teachings cover the basics, the prerequisites. This would include the
Dharmapada.

His second cycle of teachings discusses the cosmology of the universes.

But in his later years, he wrote the tantric texts.

The tantras can be very confusing for a person who is new to Buddhism,
and for several thousand years the rule was not to expose a person or a
new monk to the tantras until they had practiced for many, many years.

The Dali Lama and other notable Buddhist teachers have now indicated
that since the world has plunged into a dark age, the information
available in the tantras, which include the very, very powerful
Kundalini release techniques, should be made available to the public.

Tantric Buddhism means that we become mature adults and we learn the
reality of chaos theory.

The human mind and the entire life process is chaotic. Chaos is not
something that lacks order; chaos has varieties of order within it.

Everything is subtle. Everything has a million sides. Everything is a

manifestation of god. Everything is light. All beings are infinite.
All things are perfect, in their own way.

In Tantric Buddhism we call the inherent knowledge that all animate and
inanimate objects possess of themselves - their emptiness.

People who are capable of practicing tantra are individuals who have
meditated for many, many years and developed very strong and powerful
states of attention.

Some people go into tantra with the idea, sort of an intellectual

approach, that now they can just do everything and stay high. That
doesn't work at all.

The emphasis is on meditation in Tantric Zen. The experience of

meditation in formal practice, zazen, where you're sitting down and
meditating and concentrating.

A critical part of Tantric Buddhism is a process of turning of the

activities and experiences in your daily life into meditation.

Consumer goods become enlightenment. Relationships -- anything! It

doesn't really matter because infinity exists in everything.

It doesn't really matter what you do. It is your state of mind that
matters.

Any avenue that you follow leads to light. All roads lead to Rome.

Success, failure, pain, small furry animals, household products,

freeways, Star Wars systems -- all are interlinked in the dance of
tantra, the disco of the mind, the ballroom of cosmic consciousness.

In Tantric Buddhism, we believe that Samsara is Nirvana. That is to

say that everything in the universe is part of us. And we also are
part of everything in the universe.

If you follow anything far enough in the universe, it will eventually

lead to light.

Practitioners of tantra don't decide to break the rules. They are not
particularly hung up on having sex or eating meat or drinking alcohol.
They don't strive to do these things, nor do they strive to avoid them.

In tantra we don't believe in commandments. We believe in the moment

and the truth that is applicable for that moment, as best we can sort
it out with our heart, our intuition, our knowledge, our common sense.

In tantra, samsara is viewed as the same thing as nirvana. Eating a

hamburger is meditation.

For most people the prohibitions are a good thing. But If you are able
to maintain very powerful states of mind, then you'll find yourself in
everything you see.

Tantric Buddhists don't believe in sin. Stupidity, yes, meaning we

make ourselves or others suffer.

One person will eat meat and it will lower their attention field.
Another person won't even be affected by it because they're not in the
state of mind whereby they'll be affected by it.

For the person who wants to get to the mystical experience directly,
Tantric Buddhism is the path.

Zen is Tantric Buddhism, Vajrayana is tantric Buddhism - these are

various forms of it. Tantric Buddhism simply means cutting to the
chase.

Tantra is quicker; but for some people it can be spiritually

disastrous.

Why don't you like being you for a change? Just be different and don't
hate yourself and feel very good about all your different desires and
all the things you didn't want and want. Go get them all, and see what
it's like.

There's a path in enlightenment called the path of negation where we

intentionally throw ourselves into experiences that are extremely
transient. In other words, we do all the stuff you're supposed to
normally avoid to become enlightened, intentionally.

If you find a Tantric master - he has you go and do all the things you
hate to do.

Tantra is spiritual, not religious. It deals with the spirit.

Religion is just an applied body of doctrines that's believed or not
believed by one or more individuals. Spirituality is the science of
metaphysics.

Tantra is non-dogmatic, in the sense that we don't care about the

sensual world; we don't care about other religious traditions. To not
care doesn't mean that we don't learn.

What we seek to do in Tantric Buddhism is to liquefy ourselves. Life

will automatically bring us to the next stage. You don't really have
to know where you're going -- It's like breathing.

There's no right or wrong in the study of enlightenment. There's only

experience.

Living in the spiritual world is very easy, once you grow accustomed to
it. But initially, it puts you through some changes.

Music is part of the tantra, the dance of life. Before your eyes,
before your awareness, is the procession of eternity.

Be neither attracted nor repulsed is the message of Tantric Buddhism.

Don't be drawn to something, don't run away from it. Just naturally
accept whatever comes into life.

Tantra is the perception of the oneness and the perfection of all

things. Not just the perception of light, but the perception of
darkness, seeing God in both beauty and horror.

In the world of Buddhist mind, in the advanced states, we go beyond

time, space, life, death and Newsweek.

Tantric Buddhism is just a collection of things that work by doing

them. And sometimes we add new things. We have electronic music; we
did not have it in Tibet.

The emphasis in tantra is not what you find yourself doing, it's on
meditation.

Its not what you do that matters. It's not what you say. There's
nothing that is not holy or spiritual. Be beyond definition, beyond
categorization, be absorbed."

- Zen Master Rama

www.ramaquotes.com

Thank you in advance for your religious tolerance.

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From: Jeremy H. Donovan - view profile

Date: Sat, Dec 24 2005 10:47 pm

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The facts about Rama can be found by anyone who is really interested
(and has half a brain left), just by reading all the following
information:

http://skepdic.com/rama.html *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/lurtsema.htm
*
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/lenz.html *
http://skepdic.com/comments/ramacom.html *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/noonan.htm *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/yuppie.htm *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/suicide.htm *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/collar.htm *
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/pills.htm *
http://www.csicop.org/articles/lenz/ *
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/williams-article.html *
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ *
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/03.chap-1
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/02.Newsweek-article *
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/westrptr.txt
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/lenz-bib.txt
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/dalilama.txt
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-report.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-2.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-3.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-4.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-9.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-1.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-2.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-update-3.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/josh.txt
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ficklin.txt
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/path2en.txt
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/r/rama/
http://www.csicop.org/si/9607/lenz.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9801/lenz.html
http://www.jondube.com/resume/cult.html
http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19981101-000031.html

These links tell all any sane person really needs to know about Freddie
Lenz.
And that's the truth, no matter how many times you spam some unrelated
newsgroup, and defend your cult addiction.

Thanks in advance for your oblivious denial and adolescent reliance

upon magical thinking.

-Jer

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From: maitria...@aol.com - view profile

Date: Sun, Dec 25 2005 3:02 am

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Jeremy & his Buddy Temper sound like such jealous losers who have never
had any girlfriends, in any incarnation. I knew Rama for more than 16
years & he never mistreated anyone, always paid his bills early &
generously tipped. Your assertion's come from an unqualified convicted
cash kidnappers right wing propaganda website, who charged $50,000 for
kidnapping highly evolved people, and then "reprogramming" them by
showing them Charles Manson videos for hours on end. Needles to say Joe
& his felonious kidnapper buddies were successfully sued & then lost
everything remaining by being forced to repeatedly grab their ankles in
front of big Bubba in prison.

Jeremys Buddy Temper says:"It is hard for a skeptic to believe that

such a line would work with any woman, but apparently it does and the
day before taxes were due in 1998" (Jeremy obviously has problems with
his own sexuality or lack thereof).

The fact's are that Jeremy, you have proved yourself to be such an
ignorant moron. You don't even mention the hundreds of thousands of
westerners that Rama taught to Meditate for free. What has your looser
in every incarnation, miserable self ever done in this or any lifetime
Nothing, that's what I thought!

Temper says:"I am CONVINCED you will have no problem finding a BETTER

MAN for the job for Zen teachings. The Dalai Lama happen to be in the
United State. I have even seen him in California recently (from T.V.
report).

I have studied with a great many worldwide Buddhist masters & Rama is
by far is the most Enlightened. I also hold a Vajra Masters degree
conferred by HHDL. Thank you for recommending baby food when
Multidimensional awareness is what real Buddhism echo's. HHDL is a
great teacher to have studied with, but I have studied with several
enlightening beings in the East. Rama is far further along the pathway
of Enlightenment than they are and that you could possibly comprehend,
in your very limited current Adharmic state of awareness.

Perhaps you should try: Government disinformation work,

is Bush, Mao, or Blair your Buddha?

>From the perspective of a Vajra Master,

you fail to explain a great many things

that you have just begun
to be criticized for,
by worldwide Buddhist masters
accepting of the fact that Rama is Enlightened
as well as a greatly respected Buddhist teacher.
You flail your words like appendages, in anger!

The talks by Dr. Lenz [Rama] provide refreshing and

excellent reading material for western Zen students.
They inspire new students to practice zazen and older students
to deepen their practice. - Dennis Genpo Merzel, Roshi - Kanzeon Zen
Center,
Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi - Great Mountain Zen Center

Meditation practice (zazen) has remained as the one form

that has transcended time and cultural boundaries.
Dr. Frederick P. Lenz [Rama] is one pioneer
who introduced American modes of practice
while focusing on the fundamental Practice of zazen. - Dennis Genpo
Merzel, Roshi - Kanzeon Zen Center,
Gerry Shishin Wick, Rohsi - Great Mountain Zen Center

Can you think of any deceased teachers,

who still have students today? (not even Carl Sagan)?

When I and many others have presented Rama's materials to;

international monks in Nepal, Bhutan, India, Nomgoyal
& HHDL at the Thekchen Choling Temple,
they are excited about Buddhism
taking on a new form in America

You probably insist that after decades of practice,

Tens of thousands of hours of meditation,
weeks of courses with HHDL,
stating at the end of the Vajra Master training course,
in Dharamsala, India; "You are now Vajra Masters"
that some how the protagonist is still just as confused,
to say the least, as ever!

You seem to have asked me to comment on some of the many of these

comparatively identical elements from my teacher Rama. Chenrezig
practice & Meditation instruction according to Khempo's & Rinpoche's
cited below, is identical to what Rama taught, practiced & illustrated
in the http://www.ramaquotes.com/ website and are listed below with
specific links. I have not cited below (except HHDL) any of the many
worldwide Buddhist masters, accepting of the fact that Rama is
Enlightened, as well as a greatly respected Buddhist teacher.

Rama is enlightened,
as far as I & many others
perceptive awareness can tell.
many of us have well proven this
fairly enough to stake my Tibetan
Tri Ratna, Khatvanga & Khadga,
(do you even know what any
of the above are or what their used for?)

That you seem to be battling your own initiation

& self described practice whenever
you attack Rama's teachings,
or any information from the free quote site.
So one of the real questions is:

"In pluralistic, democratic societies,

there is the freedom to adopt
the religion of your choice.
This is good!
This lets curious people like you
run around on the loose! " HHDL

"We also call tolerance

the "best armor,"
since it protects you
from being conquered
by hatred itself." HHDL

To supplement your limited post, I also site from a random website The
comparative site date is referenced as
1991(http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/chen-re-zig.htm).
15. Though someone may deride and speak bad words
About you in a public gathering,
Looking on him as a spiritual teacher,
Bow to him with respect.
This is the practice of Bodhisattvas.

Could this be what HHDL & Thomas Jefferson refer to as religious

tolerance?

And thereby become like the Protector Chenrezig

Who dwells in neither extreme -- not in the world nor in peace.

What does the following coan mean to you? "Chenrezig glows in the dark
-- Chenrezig even glows in the daylight", have you ever seen this
manifest in the physical, subtle physical before, or heard about it?
Please describe in specific detail as to your experiences & those
persons incarnate that you may personally know who currently exhibit
these traits.

Chenrezig / Avalokiteshvara:
The Embodiment of Compassion
The Sadhana of Chenrezig is open
to anyone who feels inspired to practice it
-- unlike most of the Tibetan Buddhist practices,
which require prior initiation
by a lama (meditation master).

Padmasambhava 747A.D:
"When the iron eagle flies
and horses run on wheels,
the Tibetan people will be
scattered over the earth
and the Dharma will go
to the land of the red man."

Hopi Prophecy: "When the iron bird flies,

the red-robed people of the East
who have lost their land will appear,
and the two brothers
from across the great ocean
will be reunited."

Tilopa:"The practice of Mantra and Paramita,

Instruction in the Sutras and Precepts,
And teaching from the Schools and Scriptures
will not bring
Realization of the Innate Truth.
For if the mind when filled with some desire
Should seek a goal, it only hides the Light." Namaste'

"Illustrious examples from the past are Naropa, an ornament of Indian

adepts" - The 2nd Dalai Lama