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duponthumaniteleft a comment

Deliverance is a big concept and so real when it happens to you. "Secrecy's cellmate is shame". And God's favour is not connected to anyone's behaviour. "God is not a Scout leader or an ettiquette coach. His love is lavish and without repentance". and yet we see repentance as a godly quality, not a human one.

duponthumanite replied:

God still comes out looking the best because He inspired the effort. If only this were so.
02 / 03 / 2010

pavndol replied:

....deliverance is a great concept but why do you think that so many xians write 'books ' about their 'deliverance' and it is 'they' who come out looking really good in the process. Often it appears that their experience makes the 'repenter' look better than the one who grants the gift of repentance in the first place? You are right, godly repentace is a gift not a human religious contruct.
02 / 02 / 2010

pavndolleft a comment

No , I am not on antidepressants, never have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for in order to encourage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you have let go and live free.....that is a wonderful thought and it is possible. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. You are right in that depression can be cause by chemical imbalance but it is actually medically rare. I did not realise that by raising the point I have, that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to raise some serious misgivings about the type of content found in books like this.

duponthumanite replied:

I, also, have serious misgivings. Religion and psychology should never be mixed, and they are different again from chemistry and physics! (I like my disciplines separated).
01 / 29 / 2010

pavndolleft a comment

No , I am not on antidepressants and never ever have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for in order to encourage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you have let go and live free.....that is a wonderful thought and it is possible. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. I did not realise that by raising the point I have that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to express my misgivings regarding the content found in chrisitian 'how too' books like this one.

pavndolleft a comment

No , I am not on antidepressants and never ever have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for to encousrage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you let go and now you live free.....that is a wonderful thought. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. I did not realise that by raising the point I have that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to raise some serious misgivings about the type of content in christian 'how to' books like this one.

saysoredeemedleft a comment

Pavndol are you on antidepressants? I was once back in 1977-1978. Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since. I understand your questions. Sheila certainly is not the only "Christian" who takes or has taken antidepressants. Do I still get depressed? Yes I do at times, but mostly my depression is brought about by the circumstances in my life. Is that type of depression different than clinical depression which is a chemical imbalance? I don't know, but God does. I can't judge another whose shoes I've never walked in. I will give an account to God for the things that I've done and said. What helps me is knowing that those circumstances of life that happen now are a very small part of our eternity. King David said it like this: Psalm 30:5 For His anger is but for a moment,His favor is for a lifetime;Weeping may last for the night,But a shout of joy comes in the morning.