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Early Christian Writings
Gospel of Thomas Saying 53
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(53) His disciples said tohim: Is circumcision usefulor not? He said to them: If itwere useful, their father would beget him from their mothers (already)circumcised. But the truecircumcision in the Spirithas proved useful in everyway.
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(53) His disciples said tohim, "Does circumcisionhelp or does it not?" He saidto them, "If it helped, people's fathers would begetthem from their mothersalready circumcized. Buttrue circumcision in spirithas become very profitable."
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58 [53]. His disciples saidto him: "Is circumcisionuseful or not?" He said tothem: "If it was useful, their father would beget themfrom their mother <already> circumcised. But<only> the truecircumcision in the spiritgives all profit!"
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How can it that those who purport to be the chosen onesdeface the magnificence of God's creation? Is it their ignorance or arrogance?Would God choose theignorant or arrogant?- AngusHere Jesus understands theinnate self as pure.- RodneyThe rejection of circumcision of the body isclear. The true question iswhat is the nature of thespiritual circumcision that isreferred to? Perhaps it is the paring away of ignorance,false belief, socially basedconventions and unsuitableand unuseful actions and
Scholarly Quotes
Marvin Meyer writes: "According to a Jewish tradition, a governor of Judea oncecommented to Rabbi Akiba, 'If he (that is, God) takes such pleasure in circumcision,why then does not a child come circumcised from his mother's womb?'" (
The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus
, pp. 90-91)Robert M. Grant and David Noel Freedman write: "Along with fasting, prayer,almsgiving, and dietary regulations, Thomas rejects circumcision, as most earlyChristians did. A singular argument perhaps from radical Hellenstic-Jewish sources,is advanced against it; it is unnatural (elsewhere Thomas does not appeal to the lawof nature). What counts is true, spiritual circumcision (cf., Philippians 3:3)." (
TheSecret Sayings of Jesus
, pp. 162-163)R. McL. Wilson writes: "Grant and Freedman plausibly suggest that the argument inthe reply may be drawn from radical Hellenistic-Jewish sources. Perhaps moreimportant is the point made by Bauer, that if no such an authoritative word as thishad been known Paul would never have had to contend against the Judaisers. AsBauer observes, the saying was probably understood by the Gnostics on the basis of Colossians ii. 11, where the true circumcision is linked with the stripping off of the body of flesh. A circumcision 'in Spirit not in letter' is mentioned in Romans ii. 29,and the question here assigned to the disciples is asked by Paul himself in Romansiii. 1 - but with a very different answer. Other passages to which reference may bemade include Romans ii. 25, 1 Corinthians vii. 19, and Galatians vi. 15. This sayingaccordingly would appear to reflect the conditions of a period later than the time of 
 
intentions, thus leaving youwith a spiritually advanced being. Sounds like a good bet to me.- active mysticCircumcision does notdestroy the penis. But itimproves performance andfosters hygiene & to thatextent has minor value but itis a thing of the world, of the planetary body. When youhave overcome the drives of your glands [sexualappettite] so that you usesame instead of being used by it, then you have achievedadmirable circumcision of the spirit. Sexual satisfactionis valid --- but not to be all-consuming!- Thief37Physical circumcision ridsthe body of what isunnecessary. Jesus simplyseems to be saying to ridourselves of what isunnecessary in our spirituallives, perhaps arcane andmeaningless traditions andrituals.- HoyaIn rejecting prayer, charity,and circumcision, Jesusexpresses that in one way hecertainly has not come tofulfill law, but to transcendit. Nothing material andobjective is anything butcorrupt, and is a barrier tothe Light.- Bones
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Alias:Jesus, if indeed it is not a Gnostic invention." (
Studies in the Gospel of Thomas
, pp.104-105)F. F. Bruce writes: "Literal circumcision is rejected, like literal fasting and other religious exercises (cf. Saying 6). What counts is the spiritual counterparts of these,the elements of true heart-religion. That spiritual circumcision was the importantthing was emphasized even in Old Testament times (cf. Deuteronomy 10.16;Jeremiah 4.4); Paul speaks to the same effect in Romans 2.29; Philippians 3.3;Colossians 2.11." (
 Jesus and Christian Origens Outside the New Testament 
, p. 134)Gerd Ludemann writes: "Like Paul (Rom. 2.25-29; 1 Cor 7.7-19; Gal. 6.5; Phil. 3.3),this verse understands circumcision in the metaphorical sense and thus providesfurther argument againts the benefits of cricumcision. The negative attitude tocircumcision in the Gospel of Thomas corresponds to that towards fasting, alsgivingand dietary regulations (cf. 6; 14; 104), and also to the Old Testament, as it wasdocumented in the analysis of the preceding logion, Logion 52." (
 Jesus After 2000Years
, pp. 616-617)
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