International Journal of Transpersonal Studies
Reections on ranspersonal Psychology
Te Maturing o Humanistic and ranspersonal Psychology:Examining the Challenges o Academic Accreditation and Clinical Practice
: Historically things are never the same. My twocolleagues on the let here [Stanley Krippner and JimFadiman] are much more conversant with these issues.I have been out o the organizational, political andproessional loop or a long time. But I will say it does nottake much; it takes a particular idea, a particular actionand a seed grows, but it is the later development where itaects lots and lots o people and the renements occur.Consequently I do not know i what ony did could bea model now. You would have to be in a kind o rontiersituation where you had riends in the legislature; andthen there are three o you in the whole damn state o Caliornia that cannot do anything except counsel. Tenby a grandather clause some political restrictions areovercome, and through some careul maneuvering thelegislation comes out. But I do not think that thingshappen this way anymore.
: Te issue o accreditation is always aninteresting one. I was thinking o what you said Valerie–a little quiet throwaway line with your reerence to “outlaw therapists” at Burning Man. Oh (the thought occurredto me), are there outlaw therapists? Well, there are peoplethat have made a commitment to help human beings andthey think that there is an unwritten law that trumpsrestrictive legislation that prevents any o us (that chooseto) rom helping human beings. Tis is true in mainstreampsychology; it is true in transpersonal psychology. But itis not true in institutions. Institutions are highly visible;it is very hard to be an outlaw institution. Having beenin a school where we began with the premise that we were an outlaw institution, we ound the culture indeedaccepted us as an outlaw institution and said, “You arenot welcome anywhere.”
Laughter rom the gallery
: And there were very ew similar kinds o institutions. I use a dierent term now, not outlaw but
, which means outside or near the edge. Whereasi you are leading, then you are known as avant guard;i you are simply at the edge and everyone moves in theother direction then they think that you are just a crank.Certainly as schools we’ve been dealing with this issue.Te problem o accreditation o any sort (be it medical,psychological, nursing, massage, religious institutions)is you should be close to normal or close to the middleo whatever distribution o the amily or group o ideasand practices you are attempting to represent. Tis is thetask o assessment, and what accreditation represents. Accreditation never says that you are really terric,interesting, exciting, and innovative. Or they say i youare, then you are not ready or us. But i you are vanilla,i you are interchangeable with other institutions, thenyou should be accredited. I’m not ond o accreditation,because being an outlier is more interesting, but thatis the way it works. So that any institution which goesor accreditation has to see how it can at least appearto be vanilla beore it gets accredited. Ten ortunately once you are accredited, you are allowed to–changing metaphors here–to do a ew things under the blanketthat have a dierent point o view. I’m mentioning thisbecause IP–which, as Miles said, was not ounded by ony–at least he did not ound everything. . .
Laughter rom the gallery
: is looking to be accredited as a clinicalinstitution by APA. Te question is, this is good orpeople trying to earn a living, because APA is gradually controlling more and more state legislature’s licensing rules.
But is it good or transpersonal? Tis is an entirely dierent question. Perhaps we will look at this.
: It is good in terms o the act that to get paidby the insurance companies you have to be licensed. Butit may not be good or philosophical reasons.
ony wastrying to help people–and as Valerie points out there areoutlaw therapists that are also trying to help people. Sohow can you help someone and yet get paid?
: I don’t really know that much aboutlicensing, [so my question is this]. Currently people thatare licensed as transpersonal psychologists–whether ornot they are giving out illegal drugs–are not able to getpaid by insurance?
: I you are a licensed psychologist, there isnot an adjective in ront o that; its a licensed clinicalpsychologist, and whatever the restrictions on a clinicalpsychologist are, you have all o them. One o themcertainly is that you are not allowed to prescribe drugsthat are legal, let alone the more interesting ones.
Will ranspersonal Psychology Ever Become an APA Division? Wrestling with Spirituality and OrganizationSchroll
: Tis comment opens up the question o
Earlier Stan Krippner mentioned theSupreme Courts decision to allow ayahuasca use asa legal sacrament.
Tis reopens the opportunity orpsychedelic exploration. Tis also gets into the issue