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International Journal of Transpersonal Studies 
Reections on ranspersonal Psychology 
Reections on ranspersonal Psychology’s 40th Anniversary,Ecopsychology, ranspersonal Science, and Psychedelics: A Conversation Forum
 Mark A. Schroll 
Rhine Research CenterDurham, NC, USA Recollections o humanistic and transpersonal psychology’s origin’s morph into thepros and cons o humanistic/transpersonal oriented schools developing APA accreditedclinical programs. Tis discussion dovetails with the question will AP ever become an APA division, raising an interesting alternative or those o us considering a career incounseling: becoming a spiritual coach. Enter the issue o psychedelic therapy and theSupreme Courts decision to allow ayahuasca as a sacrament by the Uniao Do VegetalChurch, and the importance o why humanistic and transpersonal psychology need toclearly map out the territories and sub-divisions o science and religion. Finally thisconversation raises a concern, that Maslow’s call or a “trans-human” psychology sought toencourage creating what we now call ecopsychology.
his conversation orum took place on September8, 2006, at the conerence “100 Years o ranspersonal Psychology,” in Palo Alto, CA,sponsored by the Association or ranspersonal Psychology (AP) and the Institute o ranspersonal Psychology (IP).Mark A. Schroll organized and served as the moderatoro this orum asking Miles Vich, James Fadiman, andStanley Krippner to reect on transpersonal studies broadspectrum o inquiry, with additional reection by ValerieMojeiko on the current status o psychedelic studies. Tediscussion begins with some reections on early meetingso humanistic and transpersonal psychologists in Anthony Sutich’s home in Palo Alto.
Te Early History o Humanistic and ranspersonalPsychology:Reections on ony Sutich’s Living RoomMiles Vich
: . . . . with characteristic energy andoresight he decided to write a documented accounto his involvement in humanistic and transpersonalpsychology. In June 1974 he ormally began thenecessary research or this project and contractedto write a dissertation on the subject as part o therequirements or a doctoral program in psychology atthe Humanistic Psychology Institute in San Francisco.I used to joke with ony as we were working on thisproject or a couple o years that he typically did thingsthe long way around. Instead o getting the usualgraduate degree somewhere, he waited a whole career-lietime, ormed a couple o elds, helped get someschools started, and then he got a degree rom one o them. He brought this project to a successul conclusion when he completed his dissertation “Te Founding o Humanistic and ranspersonal Psychology: A Personal Account.” He received his doctoral degree April 9,1976, one day beore he died; and the three o us [JimFadiman, Stanley Krippner and I] were all there.
Stanley Krippner 
Saybrook Graduate SchoolSan Francisco, CA, USA 
 James Fadiman
Institute o ranspersonalPsychology Palo Alto, CA, USA 
 Miles A. Vich 
Palo Alto, CA, USA 
Valerie Mojeiko
Multidisciplinary Associationor Psychedelic ResearchSanta Cruz, CA, USA San Francisco, CA, USA 
International Journal of Transpersonal Studies 
, 2009, pp. 39-52
International Journal of Transpersonal Studies 
Schroll et al.
It is dicult to adequately describe or char-acterize this remarkable man; nevertheless it isnecessary to recognize that thousands o individualsand many institutions have been inuenced directly orindirectly by the eorts o this unusual human being.ony Sutich’s contribution is, among other things, anexample o the value o what is humanistic, personaland transpersonal in our lives. I you go to the
 Journal o ranspersonal Psychology 
you will see our orve articles [o his], and you will get a sense o whathe says. His personal account, abbreviated to perhapsa dozen pages, is in
(1), 1976. I suggest you readony himsel and get a sense o all the adventures thathe had in this and related elds.
Stanley Krippner
: Miles Vich has just given you a  wonderul cameo presentation o ony Sutich’s lie. Teourth member o his doctoral committee at Saybrook,ormerly Te Humanistic Psychology Institute, was Eleanor Criswell, who was also a leader in thetranspersonal eld and a real pioneer. When we wentdown to do his oral deense, he could barely speak; andyet he was so happy this work had been completed that it was a very joyous occasion. I went back home that nightand had a dream. In the dream who should be coming in the door but ony Sutich and he was walking. I saidony this is the rst time I have ever seen you walk.ony said, “Oh I can do anything now I’m dead youknow.” Tis o course was the night he died.His dissertation, on the ounding o humanistic and transpersonal psychology is a classic:beautiully written, very articulate, and it was stolenrom our les a ew years later. Written in the daysbeore computer les we thankully were able to piecetogether a duplicate dissertation rom a carbon copy. Just today Miles tells me he has discovered a pristinecopy o ony’s dissertation. Tis discovery will be a cause or great rejoicing at Saybrook because now wecan put it on microche and computer les, and it canbe distributed more widely. Hearing the news o thisdiscovery is really the highlight o my coming down tothis conerence today.I should mention one other thing. AbrahamMaslow was also a close riend o mine. He was talking about ounding a new psychology the last time I saw him, that he was calling 
trans-human psychology 
. “As wetalked about it, and in retrospect, I now realize thathe was talking about what we now call ecopsychology”(Schroll, 2008/2009, p. 16). Because it stemmed romthe deep ecology movement, the recognition (nearer to what Native Americans have believed or millennia)that humans as a species are just one o many specieson planet Earth, maybe other planets too. “We shouldthereore extend our concern to them–go trans-human–and not make this a human-centered psychology.Unortunately Maslow never had this dream realized”(p. 16), but other people like Teodore Roszak (1992)and Jeremy Narby (2001) have picked up on this idea,an idea we will be hearing more about in the uture.
 What Were the Experiences that Led ony Sutichto the ranspersonal?Mark A. Schroll
: Tis brings me to several concerns.Let’s pick up on when ony had his mystical experiences, what triggered these? Did he take something? Was itnatural? Do any o you know what caused him to havethese mystical experiences?
: Yes, we know a little bit about this. Some o thisis in ony’s dissertation. ony was always very modestabout these discussions; its just he had a lielong interestin these kinds o experiences and he read a lot. But Ithink too because he aced death so early, he was toldhe was going to die and then it didn’t happen; this madehim question everything. Likewise ony would privately speak about his mother being such a positive supportiveinuence, yet his ather was not quite as supportive. Hisamily helped him through–this was the bottom o thedepression when there was nothing out there; and thisguy is on his back [Sutich was disabled by an accidentat a young age and was unable to move or most o hislie–], what does he do? So every conceivable questiona person would ask was amplied in terms o being a crisis; everything had to be dealt with.ony too was just naturally brilliant andintellectually alive to all kinds o things. Te other sideo it in terms o psychedelics is something that ony didnot talk about much. All I know is rom what he said;he said in print he had some experiences that were notparticularly determining, powerul, or overwhelming.But they were in the line o other experiences that hehad. You might call them mystical or spiritual or higheror a deeper psychology–it was broad. It has all kinds o cultural elements and all kinds o modes and vehicles;it was not just one channel it was many channels orhim.
: Okay this was an important point. Anotherpoint I want to return to is that ony then created a  way to license himsel. Could this possibly be a modelor an alternative licensing board that would be analternative to APA?
Can we reect on this?
International Journal of Transpersonal Studies 
Reections on ranspersonal Psychology 
Te Maturing o Humanistic and ranspersonal Psychology:Examining the Challenges o Academic Accreditation and Clinical Practice
: Historically things are never the same. My twocolleagues on the let here [Stanley Krippner and JimFadiman] are much more conversant with these issues.I have been out o the organizational, political andproessional loop or a long time. But I will say it does nottake much; it takes a particular idea, a particular actionand a seed grows, but it is the later development where itaects lots and lots o people and the renements occur.Consequently I do not know i what ony did could bea model now. You would have to be in a kind o rontiersituation where you had riends in the legislature; andthen there are three o you in the whole damn state o Caliornia that cannot do anything except counsel. Tenby a grandather clause some political restrictions areovercome, and through some careul maneuvering thelegislation comes out. But I do not think that thingshappen this way anymore.
 James Fadiman
: Te issue o accreditation is always aninteresting one. I was thinking o what you said Valerie–a little quiet throwaway line with your reerence to “outlaw therapists” at Burning Man. Oh (the thought occurredto me), are there outlaw therapists? Well, there are peoplethat have made a commitment to help human beings andthey think that there is an unwritten law that trumpsrestrictive legislation that prevents any o us (that chooseto) rom helping human beings. Tis is true in mainstreampsychology; it is true in transpersonal psychology. But itis not true in institutions. Institutions are highly visible;it is very hard to be an outlaw institution. Having beenin a school where we began with the premise that we were an outlaw institution, we ound the culture indeedaccepted us as an outlaw institution and said, “You arenot welcome anywhere.
Laughter rom the gallery 
: And there were very ew similar kinds o institutions. I use a dierent term now, not outlaw but
, which means outside or near the edge. Whereasi you are leading, then you are known as avant guard;i you are simply at the edge and everyone moves in theother direction then they think that you are just a crank.Certainly as schools we’ve been dealing with this issue.Te problem o accreditation o any sort (be it medical,psychological, nursing, massage, religious institutions)is you should be close to normal or close to the middleo whatever distribution o the amily or group o ideasand practices you are attempting to represent. Tis is thetask o assessment, and what accreditation represents. Accreditation never says that you are really terric,interesting, exciting, and innovative. Or they say i youare, then you are not ready or us. But i you are vanilla,i you are interchangeable with other institutions, thenyou should be accredited. I’m not ond o accreditation,because being an outlier is more interesting, but thatis the way it works. So that any institution which goesor accreditation has to see how it can at least appearto be vanilla beore it gets accredited. Ten ortunately once you are accredited, you are allowed to–changing metaphors here–to do a ew things under the blanketthat have a dierent point o view. I’m mentioning thisbecause IP–which, as Miles said, was not ounded by ony–at least he did not ound everything. . .
Laughter rom the gallery 
: is looking to be accredited as a clinicalinstitution by APA. Te question is, this is good orpeople trying to earn a living, because APA is gradually controlling more and more state legislature’s licensing rules.
But is it good or transpersonal? Tis is an entirely dierent question. Perhaps we will look at this.
: It is good in terms o the act that to get paidby the insurance companies you have to be licensed. Butit may not be good or philosophical reasons.
ony wastrying to help people–and as Valerie points out there areoutlaw therapists that are also trying to help people. Sohow can you help someone and yet get paid?
 Valerie Mojeiko
: I don’t really know that much aboutlicensing, [so my question is this]. Currently people thatare licensed as transpersonal psychologists–whether ornot they are giving out illegal drugs–are not able to getpaid by insurance?
: I you are a licensed psychologist, there isnot an adjective in ront o that; its a licensed clinicalpsychologist, and whatever the restrictions on a clinicalpsychologist are, you have all o them. One o themcertainly is that you are not allowed to prescribe drugsthat are legal, let alone the more interesting ones.
 Will ranspersonal PsychologEver Become an APA Division? Wrestling with Spirituality and OrganizationSchroll
: Tis comment opens up the question o 
Earlier Stan Krippner mentioned theSupreme Courts decision to allow ayahuasca use asa legal sacrament.
Tis reopens the opportunity orpsychedelic exploration. Tis also gets into the issue

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