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Dilemma Over Demons

Dilemma Over Demons

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Dilemma Over Demons
One teaching popular in the Vineyard Movement, but not supported by the Bible, is the teaching of "deliverance" for Christians. We believe this teaching to beharmful to the body of Christ, and sound the following warning. Nowhere in the Bible has one Christian delivered another Christian of anything at anytime! Christians, with the power of the Holy Spirit indwelling them, alwaysdelivered unbelievers, or persons seeking salvation and needing deliverance. Christians never "delivered" other Christians in Bible times, so why would we want tostart now? Not only are there no recorded instances of one Christian delivering another, but according to God's Holy Word, demons have no power over trueChristians.We are composed of body, soul, and spirit, according to the Bible. Could demons possible invade any of these areas? The Bible assures us they cannot! 2Thessalonians 1:21-23 says this:"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. Abstain from every form of evil. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; andmay your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.""Sanctify" means to be made clean, spotless, and holy. God has sanctified us in every area, body, soul, and spirit. Demons cannot invade where God dwells.Are you born-again? Yes? Then the devil cannot even TOUCH you. 1 John 5:18, 19 says, "...but He who was born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touchhim. We know we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."It is the world that is in the power of the evil one, not Christians. We are sanctified completely in the power of God, and the evil one cannot touch us. However, thereis one way that the evil one can harass us, and that is if we give him permission, by giving mental assent to the idea that he can influence our lives.If you have been going against the word of God by allowing "deliverance", repent of it now, and ask God's forgiveness. If you feel harassed, quote the word of God tothe demons, that's what Jesus did when the devil tempted Him. (Matthew, chapter 4:1-11).Since the New Testament so clearly does not teach "deliverance" for Christians, those performing this act try to justify it by Old Testament references about "curses"etc.Let's clear that up now. Exodus 20:5. says:"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourthgeneration of those who hate Me."First off, notice what the subject of the verse is--true worship versus false worship. Who gets the "iniquity" visited upon the third and the fourth generation? Theanswer is plain-- "those who hate Me". Do you hate God? You don't? You say you love God? Great--then you could not possibly ever have any kind of "iniquity"visited upon you--and who says these are demons anyway? Not any Bible dictionary I have read!There is further good news in the next verse, Exodus 20:6, "but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments". If youlove God and keep His commandments, verse 6 applies to you, not verse 5. You are the recipient of God's loving kindness, and nothing sinister can penetrate God's protection of you. The idea that some kind of "ancestral spirits" can influence your life today is taught by some in the Vineyard, but dismissed by Ezekiel 18:20,"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; therighteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."(See also Deuteronomy 24:16).All this agrees completely with the New Testament teaching that we are each a "new creature in Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:17). As a new creature in Christ at the timeof our salvation, we need no longer fear the devil. He has no power over us, as we renounce our former ways and repent. We are new, and we are clean. Our ancestorslikewise have no power over us.In fact, the demons may not be to blame at all, for whatever you are trying to get "delivered" from. If a Christian continues to have unclean thoughts etc. then we needto look to the condition of our own hearts."For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts and fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit,sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. "All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man". Mark 7:21-23; (See also Matthew 15:18,19; Jeremiah17:9,10).This is difficult for some who always want to put the blame elsewhere, on the Devil, or ancestral spirits etc., rather than on themselves, with their "own heart" as thesource. There is a cure for this uncleanness or bad behavior for a Christian and that is the biblical way--not a questionable "deliverance", but, as Ephesians 5:25-27says,"Husbands, love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless."All of us desire to be Christ's bride, His wife. If we really love Him, we need to obey Him. Our cleansing comes from "washing of water with the word". It does notcome from anything other than what He says it comes from--"washing of water with the word". Christians fall prey to wrong doctrine and practices when they do nothave enough of God's word, the Bible, in their hearts and lives. It's not too late to turn to the word of God for help in every circumstance. Hebrews 4:12 says,"For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, andable to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
 
Christians, do not think that anything-- experiences, prophesying, manifestations, or feelings can replace the sure anchor of the word of God. It is two-edged, both for offense and defense of all things. Abide in Christ, and abide in His word. Keep your relationship with Jesus Christ pure and undefiled, for that is what He is seeking ina bride.So, Christians must ask, "Do we belong in the Vineyard where there is a mixture of the good and the bad? Can we really be discerning enough to take the good, andignore the bad? Do we know the Bible so well, that we will not be out in areas where we should not be? Will we have a servant's heart like Christ, reaching out to thelost and dying, or become self-seeking and inward-looking, even with the best of intentions? Will we take to heart the warning words of the bible that "...a little leavenleavens the whole lump of dough"?Ask yourself, has God ever allowed a mixture of true and false in any of His congregations in times past? Does God ever change? (Malachi 3:6) We are sobered bythe words of the Apostle Paul:"....you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons." (1 Cor. 10:21)In conclusion, the Bible put in warnings for a reason---and we can clearly see why in these days. Will you listen to these warnings and turn back from fleshly pursuits,and roller coaster Christianity to a solid faith in Christ? We hope so. Write if we can help you.
Dilemma Over DemonsDeliverance Ministries & Demon Possession
It has become popular today to rely on deliverance for the quick and powerful way to rid our faults and warfare. Those who teach demon possession in Christians are Neil T. Anderson, Peter Wagner, and a host of others. Ray Bubeck goes even further saying "I ask you to look all through the sexual organs and function of my bodyfor any evil spirit activity. He goes on to ask the Holy Spirit to "search out all my bones, blood circulation, nerve circuitry, muscles, tissues, glands, hair, skin andevery cell for any wicked spirit activity against my physical body." (Spiritual warfare basics pg.23 Mark. Bubeck)With teaching Christians having demons almost anything can happen. What is neglected is the idea that they can lie and deceive those who are doing the deliverance!Satan can certainly have his demons control Christians from the outside as they give their will over into doing their temptations. Practicing Sin still creates bondageand can open one up to having little control over certain aspects in their lives.. This is called oppression and it certainly is different than possession. The word used inthe gospels is demonized (Greek Diamonizomai) meaning to be controlled by a demon. The common expression is "to have a demon" Mt.11:18 which expressesresidency. By this it means this entity can have direct control of a person from the inside. With this comes a certain degree of derangement in the mind or physicalupset in the body. (Mk.5:1-20 Mt.12:43-45.) It is best that one should distinguish control from harassment.1 Thess.2:18 The degree of control is different for a Christian than a non Christian. As Christians the enemy can control from with out not from within even though attimes it can seem the same as possession. With the believer deliverance is a matter of the will. With a non believer they have no spiritual authority 1 Jn.5:18: "He whois born of God keeps himself and the wicked one does not touch him. This is an assurance and is clarified in the Greek that he cannot lay hold of or fasten to. InJn.17:15 Jesus prays that "they should not be taken out of the world but that the father should keep them from the evil one." Again a provision of not being in arelationship with the enemy that we were formerly delivered from. We need faith to endure, because there is no promise of permanent deliverance from evil. We arealways to pray for deliverance from evil (Mt. 6:13). as long as we are in this world there will be evil encroaching upon us. There is no prayer, method or incantationfor relief, just faith to persevere.1 Jn.5:21 John tells the believer "to keep from idols" while the scripture is clear behind an idol is a demon, John does not tell us to keep from demons. There is noconcern raised like this anywhere in the Bible. We are warned of the unfruitful works of darkness but the bible never teaches that light becomes darkness unless in thecase one abandons the faith.The Biblical concept is that man is comprised of two components. The material body and the immaterial spirit. Those who promote Christian demonization say thatthe unclean spirit dwells in our body and not the spirit. What they overlook is that the old nature still dwells in us and that it expresses itself by the body. Yielding tothe desires of the flesh can bring one into bondage but this certainly cannot be put in the same category as demonization. While it makes one do the will of Sataninstead of God it should not be confused with occupation. In Gal. 5:19-22, much of what is blamed on demons is really man's fallen nature, expressing itself throughhis flesh. Demons can entice and exaggerate our fleshly weaknesses but the blame lies in ourselves .While demonic power can affect the outside of our body and our emotions and minds they can never come into the innermost man, one needs to distinguish betweenoppression and possession .Satan has a limit in dealing with a believer otherwise we are no better off then one who is a non believer. If every time they sin it is blamedon demonic activity than what would be the difference when we sin. Then Christ cannot protect His people.Demons cast out of Christians are not seen in the scriptures. Neither are they left over from the old life nor new occupants. The scripture absolutely militates againstthis. We are the temple of God not of both God and the devil's emissaries. What a confusion for those involved in binding their own personal demon spirits.Larry Thomas warned against what is being promoted as demon invasion in Christians. "The real potential for problems in the Christian life is blaming things on thedemonic and neglecting normal Christian growth and maturity. It is this kind of lack of maturity in the lives of many believers, because they are looking for the quick fix of a Neil Anderson deliverance, that will prove the greater damage. I am concerned that believers wake up to the false ways of Dr. Anderson." (BiblicalPerspectives Vol.V, no.3 1992)Gil Rugh comments on this by saying "Believers cannot be possessed by demons…The scripture is clear on this matter. …Christ's work was sufficient. There is nofurther deliverance that must take place. If there were, salvation in Christ would be incomplete. If the church would stop and think through its theology of scripture wewould realize that something is drastically wrong with what is being promoted by those who teach that believers can be demonized." (Gil Rugh Demonization and the believer- an unbiblical teaching exposed, pg.26 1994)Paul writes of the spiritual army of the devil that he lists in Eph.6: 12 in Col.2:15 "Having disarmed principalities and powers He made a public spectacle of them,triumphing over them in it." The devil and his angels fate is already sealed yet God allows them to continue. But they have no power over a Christian. He works in thesons of disobedience and will continue to do so until he is bound by God, not us. He can lie to us and lead us into sin by its a matter of our will bending to his lies. allone has to do is resist and he is defeated.As Christians we are Christ’s possession owned by God. (1 Cor.6:20, 1 Jn.4:15) We have been bought with a price and are born again of incorruptible seed 1 Pt.1:23.1Jn.4:4 tells us "Greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world." The Holy Spirit is able to keep us separate and clean when we allow him to do so. If we givein we can’t say he is weaker it really is a matter of choice and an exercise of our will. For one to believe in Christian demon possession a number of factors need to beignored. Christ is our good shepherd would he let his people get wolfed. While we may unwittingly step over the line this does not annul the grace and protection of the Lord. This would mean God deals with us as a legalist every time wittingly or not we violate his boundaries we lose his protection and are at the mercy of the
 
enemy. It is true that certain areas need to be avoided like the plague (the occult, sex outside marriage, homosexuality, and various altered states of conciousness). YetGod is greater than these. If not there are no guarantees for anything when we do wrong. We would walk in a state of paranoia not victory.God does not sleep on the job, nor has he put his protection in our hands and strength. We are to be strong in the grace of the Lord not be paranoid of the enemy.In Eph.4:27 we are told not to give the devil a opportunity (foothold, a place, a beachhead.) This is a military term meaning to capture an area within enemy territory.We can give areas cover to the enemy because they are not submitted over to the Lord. In Eph.5:18 He also tells us to be continually filled with the Spirit. We cannothave a victorious Christian walk without yielding and submitting to Gods ways. To be filled means to be controlled by the Spirit which means not being disobedientand doing what is right in the Lord’s eyes. The cure for one taken captive in disobedience is Jm.4:7 "Submit yourselves to God "first" ( whatever you are disobedientin change your behavior by yielding to the Spirit) "then" resist the devil and he will flee". If you are dead to the sin he is tempting you with he cannot make you react.Peter also agrees stating "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walks about seeing who he may devour, whom you are to resiststeadfast in the faith". We are not to have power encounters and conversations but stand in the Lord by faith, "trust" we lean on him the battle is his, if we lean onourselves the battle is ours. The main objective is to give up no ground to the enemy.Paul says we were once of darkness now we are light. Light always rules over the darkness. Try bringing darkness in the room when the light is on. Only if there is nolight there can there be darkness. Scripture never says that we can go on and off like a light switch.While the scripture says that the Holy Spirit can dwell with sin and that He can dwell in the presence of a demon, it certainly is different to say a demon can dwellwith the Holy Spirit. We see the violent reaction of demons to the presence of Jesus and what is Holy. God does not have to flee but demons do. The Scripture showsthem in agony just being near Jesus.1Cor. 3:16: "do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you." It is not the Holy Spirit plus a demon or demon's!The consequences of believing one is possessed can certainly be even more devastating than actually being inhabited. The focus than shifts from actually dealing withthe problem and taking responsibility for one actions to blaming it on a unseen enemy a demon which is not even there. The lie of having the demon can be just as badand what one really needs deliverance from is the lie of being inhabited with so called possession.In deliverance services we are told to find out the head demon by asking his name and the rest will follow. At the time of Jesus there were exorcisms performed withinJudaism. For this to be accomplished the exorcist needed to communicate with the demon. In this exercise the name of the head demon would be invoked and told toleave. Any other sub demons would also have to obey. Today the name of Jesus is petitioned for power used as a incantation from everything such as releasing wealthand healing and certainly to take back things for god.Deliverance ministries are conducted in various forms from personal counseling to group deliverances. This consists of people walking around the room and led to people by the spirit speaking to them. They then lay their hands on them and call out the head strongman first and the rest eventually follow. Names such asLeviathan, spirits of anger, jealousy and religious spirits are called out. Ancestral curses are broken also. All these so called demons are listed as works of the fleshthat we all are still capable of doing. Deliverance books are written like psychological manuals that claim that if one follows this methodology they will be successful,with the help of the Lord of course. Much of what is derived in these books is from personal experiences which are outside Biblical parameters and certainly notmentioned in Scripture.
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Jesus & Lucifer were brothers?A theological aspect of Mormonism that grabs just about anybody, believer and non believer alike, is the Mormon doctrine that teaches Satan and Jesus Christ are brothers.Biblical Christians believe for good reasons, that this teaching is strictly not true, considering that Jesus is the creator of ALL things, including angels (Colossians1:15-20). We Evangelicals likewise believe that Jesus’ strict eternal status as the creator of all things is relevant to His ability to provide us with salvation by gracethrough faith.Due to connections between doctrines of God and the doctrines of salvation, a different Jesus also infers that Mormonism has a non-Christian way of salvation.This ‘Lucifer and Jesus’ of Mormonism hinges upon the LDS grand doctrinal world view called “Eternal Progression” And again I stress this Eternal Progression isnot found with in the Book of Mormon, but is a later teaching of Mormonism founders.Eternal Progression is the Mormon idea that spirit beings are born to a God named "Elohim." These spirit siblings mature in the spirit world to continue movingforward and progress toward godhood by being born on Earth to gain a physical body. As the cosmic journey continues these spirits progress through death,resurrection, judgments, followed by various heavenly rewards. Eternal Progression is a Mormon paradigm that influences all its doctrines of salvation. It is a dogmathat teaches ideas contrary to the Bible on the nature and origin of God, and the ultimate destiny of mankind in a universe that it teaches existed before the gods weregods. In this Mormon idea, Lucifer and Jesus are peers, both started out as equal siblings of Elohim, on their cosmic journeys toward godhood. (Mormon Doctrine,McConkie, pages 238-239)-- It is notable that the Lucifer of Mormonism was also a candidate to be our Savior, if elected by the Heavenly Counsel of God. (MormonDoctrine, McConkie, Page 164)In the Biblical worldview of understanding God and Salvation, certain conditions are understood necessary provide human salvation. One of these conditions isrelated to Jesus’ eternal status in the Godhead (Rom 1:20) . This difference between worldviews should naturally lead any thinking person to see that if EternalProgression were to be true then Christian salvation is lost. This difference in views can be quickly expressed and summarized in the catch phrase “ In MormonismJesus and Lucifer are Spirit Brothers!”We should also note that if Bible teaches that Jesus is strictly Eternal-- always in the Power of the Godhead. (Romans 1:20) knowing this alone makes EternalProgression a Biblical impossibility. This is impossible because if eternal is strictly ‘eternal’ then progression in eternity is an oxymoron. This all has to do witheternal strictly meaning ‘timeless’, and time is required for progression.Evangelicals view the Mormon Jesus is a lesser category of god-being than the Biblical Jesus. This is a big deal because the Mormon Jesus appears to be marginalizedin power and lordship down to the point where he would not have the ability to save souls ( that is, directly connect human souls with the Father ) at least how theBiblical Jesus can save by Faith and Grace (John 14:6). This difference in the abilities of the Mormon savior in Mormonism, is of course offset by the good works of Mormons in gaining entrance to the Celestial Kingdom (D&C section 88).With these musing of mine said, let me move on and outline the basis for Evangelical Christians saying that LDS have a differing Jesus:My Assertion: Jehovah/Jesus is the creator or 'Father' of all the Angels-- not their Brother.By the way, at the same time I call upon Mormon apologists to prove their case:A different god- being with the name of 'Elohim" is in the manner of fatherhood, both the Father of Jesus, and likewise, the Father of all of the angels, making Jesusand Lucifer Spirit Brothers.I insist because Mormons may attempt to discredit what is written here. Diluting what is written does not forward the Mormon cause because one needs to consider 

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