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o p i n i o n s t h a t h a v e b e e n v o i c e d o v e r m a n y m o n t h s
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h e a l t h a u t h o r i t y a t i t s n e x t m e e t i n g .
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p u r s u a n t t o h i s a n s w e r o f 1 J u l y, O f f i c i a l R e p o r t , c o l u m n
3 3 4 , i f h e w i l l
s p e c i f y
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C o m p u t e r A i d e d Me d i c a l S ys t e m s p I c a n d t h e r - , 1 J 1 S ; i f
t h a t o r g a n i s a t i o n w a s c h o s e n
b y c o m p e t i t i v e t e n d e r s ;
w h e n t h e s t u d y w a s s t a r t e d ; w h e n h e e x p e c t e d i t t o b e
c o m p l e t e d ; a n d i f h e w i l l p l a c e a
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s u p p o r t a r r a n g e m e n t s f o r R e a d c o d e s w i l l b e c a r r i e d o u t
b y S i l i c o n B r i d g e R e s e a r c h . S i n c e i t w a s c h o s e n f o r i t s
p a r t i c u l a r s k i l l s a n d e x p e r i e n c e , a t a c o s t b e l o w t h e s i n g l e
t e n d e r l i m i t , t h e r e w a s n o c o m p e t i t i v e t e n d e r . T h e r e v i e w
s t a r t e d a n 4 J u l y 1 9 9 6 a n d i s e x p e c t e d t o b e c o m p l e t e d
b y
t h e e n d o f O c t o b e r 1 9 9 6 . A r e p o r t o f i t s f m d i n g s w i l l b e
p l a c e d i n t h e
L i b r a r y.
T r u s t a n d H e a J t h A u t h o r i t i e s ( D e b t s )
Mr . Mi l b u r n : T o a s k t h e S e c r e t a r y
o f S t a t e f o r
H e a l t h , p u r s u a n t t o h i s a n s w e r o f 23 Ma y, O f f i c i a l
R e p o r t , c o l u m n 9 3 , i f h e w i l l s h o w t h e a m o u n t o f b a d
d e b t s a n d c l a i m s a b a n d o n e d f o r e a c h h e a l t h a u t h o r i t y
i n e a c h r e g i o n b r o k e n d o w n
b y c a t e g o r y f o r t h e l a s t
t h r e e ye a r s . ( 3 3 0 9 7 J
Mr . H o r a m [ h o l d i n g a n S t 1 - e r 1 7 J u n e 1 9 9 6 ] : T h e
i n f o r m a t i o n w i l l b e p l a c e d i n t h e L i b r a r y.
C h i l d A b u s e I n q u i r e s
Mr . Mi l b u r n : T o a s k t h e S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r H e a l t h
w h a t w a s t h e t o t a l c o s t t o p u b l i c f u n d s o f
( a ) t h e
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i n f o r m a t i o n i s n o t a v a i l a b l e .
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h o w m a n y J P 23 3 m i n e s w e r e l e f t b y U n i t e d K i n g d o m
f o r c e s a t b o m b d u m p M3 i n B a h r a i n a f t e r t h e G u l f w a r ;
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r e t u r n e d t o t h e U K a f t e r t h e G u l f w a r .
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t r a i n e r , w h e n t h e NA T O s t a n d a r d i s a t i o n a g r e e m e n t c a m e
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O f f i c i a l S e c r e t s
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f o r D e f e n c e w h a t p r o p o s a l s h e h a s t o a l t e r t h e p r o v i s i o n s
c o n t a i n e d i n o f f i c i a l s e c r e t s
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m i l i t a r y i n c i d e n t s r e s u l t i n g i n
( a ) i n j u r i e s a n d
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Mr . S o a m e s : T h e r e a r e n o p r o v i s i o n s i n o f f i c i a l s e c r e t s
l e g i s l a t i o n r e l a t i n g s p e c i f i c a l l y t o s u c h i n c i d e n t s . S e r v i c e
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s e r v i c e p e r s o n n e l , o n
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S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r
D e f e n c e , p u r s u a n t t o h i s a n s w e r t o t h e b o n . Me m b e r f o r
S o u t h S h i e l d s ( D r . C l a r k ) o f 1 6
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f i g u r e s i n c l u d e G u r k h a s ! r e u g t . h s .
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p e r s o n n e l u n d e r g o i n g t r a i n i n g ,
U n i d e n t i f i e d
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S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r
D e f e n c e w h i c h o f f i c e w i t h i n h i s D e p a r t m e n t d e a l s w i t h
s i g h t i n g s o f u n i d e n t i f i e d
f l yi n g o b j e c t s . ( 3 58 4 5J
Mr . S o a m e s : T h e f o c a l p o i n t w i t h i n
m y D e p a r t m e n t
f o r r e p o r t s o f s i g h t i n g s o f u n i d e n t i f i e d
f l yi n g o b j e c t s i s
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S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r
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s i g h t i n g s o f u n i d e n t i f i e d
f l yi n g o b j e c t s r e c e i v e d
b y h i s D e p a r t m e n t ; a n d w h a t
a c t i o n w a s s u b s e q u e n t l y t a k e n .
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i nv est i g a t e. O n p r ev i o u s o c c a si o ns wh en
I h a v e i nv est i g a t ed , h o wev er . I h a v e
f o u nd t h a t l et t er - h ea d i ng s a nd l i st s o f
na m es d o wn t h e l ef t - h a nd si d e o f so m e
o f t h ~ e t h i ng s h a v e ev en i nc l u d ed
m y
na m e I n
r esp ec t o f o r g a ni sa t i o ns f r o m
wh i c h I h a d r esi g ned nea r l y t wo
y ea r s
a g o . I wi B , o f c o u r se, l o o k i nt o t h e
c a se i f
m } h o n. F r i end wi l l send m e t h e
l et t er h ea d i ng wh i c h h e h a s i n h i s
p o ssessi o n.
UNI DE NTI F I E D F LYI NG O B JE t . . " TS
Q 1 . S J. La ng f o r d - Ho l t a sk ed t h :
P r i m e M i ni st er wh et h er , i n v i ew o f t h e
f a c t t h a t t h e S ec r et a r y o f S t a t e f o r De-
f enc e i s r esp o nsi b l e o nl y f o r t h e a i r d e-
f enc e i m p l i c a t i o ns o f t h e r ep o r t s o f
u ni d ent i f i ed
f l y i ng o b j ec t s, h e wi l l a l l o c a t e
t o a Dep a r t m ent t h e d u t y o f a ssessi ng t h e
wi d er i m I l i c a t i o ns o f t h ese r ep o r t s.
Tb e P r i m e M i ni st er : No , S i r .
. : : ; ~ . i . La ng f o r d - Ho l t : I s t h e P r i m e
M i ni st er a wa r e t h a t eno r m o u s nu m b er s
o f t h ese r ep o r t s a r e c o m i ng i n t o t h e
G o v er nm ent f r o m
p eo p l e,
no t a l l o f wh o m
a r e c r a nk s? Wo u l d i t no t b e a p p r o -
p r i a t e, wi t h o u t m y sel f k no wi ng v er y m u c h
a b o u t t h e o r i g i ns o r si g ni f i c a nc e o f t h ese
i t em s, t h a t so m eb o d y i n t h e G o v er nm ent
a t l ea st sh o u l d t a k e a ser i o u s i nt er est i n
t h em ?
Th e P r i m e M i ni st er : Th ese m a t t er s
a r e t a k en ser i o u sl y wh en t h e r ep o r t s
wh i c h a r e r ec ei v ed a r e su f f i c i ent l y
d et a i l ed t o ena b l e a c h ec k t o b e m a d e.
I n v er y m a ny c a ses t h er e a r e na t u r a l
p h eno m ena , o r l ess na t u r a l p h eno m ena
su c h a s b a l l o o ns, a i r c r a f t , a nd so o n.
Wh er e i t h a s no t b een p o ssi b l e t o g et a
sa t i sf a c t o r y ex p l a na t i o n. i t i s u su a l l y
b ec a u se t h e i nf o r m a t i o n h a s b een t o o
i na d eq u a t e o r i m p r ec i se f o r i nv est i g a t i o n.
M r .
Ho g g :
I s i t no t wel l k no wn t h a t
t h ese u ni d ent i f i ed
f l y i ng o b j ec t s a r e t h e
c h i c k ens c o m i ng h o m e t o r o o st i n t h e
r u i ns o f t h e r i g h t b o n. G ent l em a n s
r ep u t a t i o n?
Th e P e M i ni st er : I seem t o r em em -
b er t h i nk i ng t h a t q u est i o n r a t h er f u nny
wh en i t wa s
p u t b y t h e r i g h t h o n. M em b er
f o r F l i nt . West ( M r . B i r c h ) si x y ea r s a g o .
M r . S h i nweD: I n v i ew o f t h e f a c t t h a t
t h e O p p o si t i o n a r e a l wa y s l o o k i ng f o r
m a r es
nest s, c o u l d no t m y r i g h t h o n.
F r i end u nd er t a k e t h i s t a sk o f l o o k i ng f o r
u ni d ent i f i ed o b j ec t s?
M I NI S TE RS ( p O LI TI C AL
O RG ANI S ATI O NS )
Q 8. M r .
E ng l i sh
a sk ed t h e P r i m e
M i ni st er i f h e wi l l i nst r u c t M i ni st er s o f
t h e C r o wn t o c ea se f r o m m em b er sh i p
S HI P B UI LDI NG I l \ I ) US TRY
( M I NI S TE RI AL
RE S P O NS I B I LI TY)
9 9 . M r . W~ o f i el d
Di g b y
a sk ed t h e
P nm e M i ni st er , i n v i ew o f t h e i m p o r t a nc e
o f t h e
p r o p o sa l s o f t h e G ed d es
Rep o r t
f o r t h e f u t u r e o f t h e sh i p b u i l d i n! ! i nd u st r y
a nd t h e r ec ep t i o n t h ey h a v e h a d f r o m
? o t h ~ i d es o f t h e
i nd u st r y . wh a t
st ep s
h e
I S t a k m g t o ensu r e c o nt i nu i t y a t G o v er n-
m ent l ev el o n t h e t r a nsf er o f
r esp o nsi b i l i t y
f r o m t h e B o a r d o f Tr a d e t o t h e M i ni st r y ~
o f Tec h no l o g y . .
.
. .
Th e P r i m e M i ni st er : I t i s t h e i nt ent i o n!
t o t r a nsf er t o t h e
M i ni st r y o f Tec h no l o g y .
a t t h e a p p r o p r i a t e t i m e t h e g r ea t er
p a r t
o f
t h e st a f f t h a t h a nd l es sh i p b u i l d i ng b u si ; . , :
ness i n t h e B o a r d o f Tr a d e. Th e t w
Dep a r t m ent s wi l l a l so c o nt i nu e t o m a i n-
t a i n a f t er t h e t r a nsf er t h ei r p r esent c l o se
.
wo r k i ng r el a t i o ns o n m a t t er s o f c o m m o r i
c o nc er n.
M r , Di g b y :
As t h e M i ni st r y o f Tec h .
no l o g y wi l l b e t h e f o u r t h M i ni st r y u nd er
wh i c h t h e i nd u st r y h a s b een i n t h e c o u r se
.
o f t h e l a st ni ne y ea r s, wi l l t h e P r i m e
M i ni st er b e c a r ef u l t o see t h a t t h e st a f f ,
i s t r a nsf er r ed a t t h e h i g h er l ev el s a s wel l :
.
a s t h e l o wer l ev el s. a nd t h a t t h er e i s no
3 81
q u est i
p o r t ~
i t ?
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i l i e i r
b ei ng
h i g b et
wi t h
Th o se
b o t h
I t wi !
Tec h n
m o m t
, . . , i t h t
o f t l . . t :
M r .
ex t r en
b o a t
M i ni s1
b e m e
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i n t h .
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fESTIONS
226
: We have
s u g g es t ed t o
i t s ho u l d as s u me fu l l
o r
t he b eac o n f! " o m
we ar e awai t i n g i t s c o n .
ac c ep t s o u r c o n d i t i o n s
d en : ( D i s c har g e C o s t s )
Iy l e as k ed t he Sec r et ar y
: n c e whet her , i n vi ew
~ f
es l ead i n g
u p t o hi s
a c o mp as s i o n at e d i s .
u r t her
c o n s i d er r efu n d -
L i n d en t he C OSt o f hi s
) fr o m t he Q u een s
Own
hl an d er s .
The c i r c u ms t an c es o f
; u s t Ify
an y r efu n d .
r s Bu Hd i n g
( St aff)
n d as k ed t he
Sec r et ar y
D efen c e fr o m whi c h
s
who ar e n o w wo r k i n g
q u ar t er s b u i l d i n g wer e
r o ft :
Fr o m t he o l d
~ l d War Offi c e b u i l d -
emi s es
o c c u p i ed
b y t he
: > f D efen c e i n t he Go v.
r eat
Geo r g e St r eet , an d
~ n s
t o g et her wi t h a
e M et r o p o l e Bu i l d i n g
. mb er l an d
Ho u s e.
Pr o g r amme
el d
D i g b y as k ed t he
fo r D efen c e ho w
mu c ?
md i n g
p ay , he es t i .
b een i n c u r r ed o n t he
p r o g r amme
b y 1 s t
: an d what wi l l t hen
l at e
l i ab i l i t y o n c o n -
es t i mat ed t hat b y n ex t
D O mi l l i o n wi l l
. ~ i :
e Po l ar i s
p r o ~ ~ : ; . . .
t s wo r t h n ead y
~ , ~ ~ :
b een p Iac ed .
. . . . . ~ :
d I Eas t
r e as k ed t he. Sec r e~
: ei f he i s s at i s fi ed wi t h
r i t i s h d efen c e ar r an g e.
. eEas t ag ai n s t t he
~
~ i o n s p o n s o r ed * r
. vi n mak e a s t at emet .
227
Wr i t / en
A n s wer s
1 5 JUL Y
1 9 64
M r .
Tb o mey c r o ft
: Yes , b u t i t wo u l d
n o t b e i n t he
p u b l i c i n t er es t
fo r me t o
mak e
an y
d et ai l ed
s t at emen t
ab o u t
t hem.
. Un i d en t i fi eJi
Fl y i n g
Ob j ec t s
4 7. M r .
A .
Hen d er s o n as k ed .
t he Sec -
r et ar y o f
St at e
fo r
D efen c e
t o
what
ex t en t
t her e i s
c o - o p er at i O! 1
t . et ween
t he
R o y al A i r
Fo r c e
an d t he Un i t ed
St at es
A i r
Fo r c e
wi t h a vi ew t o
as c er t ai n i n g
t he
fac t s
r el at i n g
t o
fi y i n R s au c er s
o r o t her
u n i d en t i fi ed
fl y i n g
o b j ec t s ; an d
what i n -
fo r mat i o n
i s n o w
avai l ab l e t o hi s
d ep ar t -
men t o n t hi s IIlt t er .
M r . H.
Fr as er :
We ar e
g ~ n ~ r a1 1 y
awar e
o f fh"
: : p e
mc c . . : . : t he
Un i t ed
St at es A i r
Fo r c e.
So me 9 0
p er c en t o f
t he
s i g ht i n g s
i n ves t i g at ed
b y my D ep ar t -
men t
have
had a
p er fec t l y
r at i o n al ex -
p l an at i o n .
In t he
r emai n i n g 1 0
p er c en t
o f
c as es . t he
i n fo r mat i o n
avai l ab l e
was
i n s u ffi c i en t
t o
s u p p o r t an
ad eq u at e
i n q u i r y . We have
d i s c o ver ed
n o
evi d en c e
o f t he
ex i s t en c e
o f
. s o - c al l ed
. .
fi y i n g
s au c er s
" ,
M al t a
( Fl o at i n g
C r an e)
4 8 .
M r . A wb en
as k ed t he
Sec r et ar y
01 St at e fo r D ef n c e
why t he
fl o at i n g
c r an e
c ap ab l e o f
l i ft i n g 1 50 t o n s i s t o b e
t r an s fer r ed
fr o m
M al t a t o
Gi b r al t ar ,
l eavi n g
M al t a
wi t h
o n l y an
u n fl o at ab l e
c r an e
wi t h a
c ap ac i t y o f 60
t o n s ; an d
what
al t er n at i ve
ar r an g emen t s
have
b een
mad e i n t he
p o r t fo r
an y l i ft s o f o ver 60
t o n s
r eq u i r ed i n t he fu t u r e.
M r .
Hay : Wi t h
r eg ar d t o t he
t r an s fer
o f t he
fl o at i n g
c r an e, I wo u l d r efer
t he
ho n .
M emb er
t o t he
r ep l y whi c h I
g ave
t o hi m
y es t er d ay .
Her
M aj es t y s
Go ver n men t
have
n o
r es p o n s i b i l i t y
fo r
t he
i n t er n al
man ag e.
men t o f t he
d o c k y ar d at
M al t a. b u t s o
far as I am awar e n o
al t er n at i ve
ar r an g e-
men t s have
b een
mad e fo r l i ft s o ver
60
t o n s
whi c h
may b e
r eq u i r ed i n t he
fu t u r e.
Sen i o r
A i r c r aft man
Ben n et t
4 9 . M r .
L o n g b o t t o m
as k ed t he Sec r e-
t ar y o f St at e fo r
D efen c e
when he wi l l
g i ve
p er mi s s i o n
fo r
Sen i o r
A i r c r aft man
Ben n et t
t o
b u y hi ms el f o u t o f t he
R o y al
A i r
Fo r c e
t o fu l fi l
s u b s t an t i al
p r o fes .
s i o n al
en g ag emen t s
as a
mu s i c i an .
M r . H. Fr as er :
When
t her e ar e s u ffi .
c i en t
t r ai n ed
men i n hi s t r ad e fo r hi m
t o
b e
s p ar ed .
Wr i t / en
A n s wer s
A r my
C er t i fi c at e
o f
Ed u c at i o n
( R y . . mi n er s
Fees )
50. Si r . I! : .
Er r i n g t o n 3 s k ed
t he Sec r e-
t ar y
o f
St at e
fo r
D efen c e
what
p l an s he has t o
i n c r eas e
t he
fees o f
ex ami n er s
fo r t he
Fi r s t
Gas s
A r my
C er t i fi c at e
o f Ed u -
c at i o n
an d t he
Sen i o r
Fi r s t
A r my C er t i -
fi c at e o f
Ed u c at i o n
fo r
s et t i n g
ex ami n a-
t i o n
q u es t i o n
p ap er s an d
mar k i n g
c an d i -
d at es
p ap er s ; an d
when
s u c h
i n c r eas es
ar e t o b e mad e
effec t i ve.
M r .
R ams d en :
R evi s ed
fees
fo r
ex ami n er s
fo r
s et t i n g an
mar k In g
ex ami -
n an o n
p ap er s have
b een
ag r eed an J
wi l J > - - . . . . " ! 1 ~
effec t i ve
fr o m
t he
A r my C er t i fi -
c at e
o f
Ed u c at i o n
Sen i o r
Tes t
ex ami n a-
t i o n
hel d
t hi s
mo n t h
an d
fr o m
t he
n ex t
A r my
C er t i fi c at e
o f
Ed u c at i o n
Fi r s t
Gas s
ex ami n at i o n
whi c h
wi l l b e
hel d
i n
No vemb er .
M i l i t ar y
Per s o n n el ,
Ghan a
( Ex - Gr at i a
Pay men t s )
5 I. Si r E.
Er r i n g t o n
as k ed
t he
Sec r e.
t ar y o f St at e
far
D efen c e
what
ar r an g e-
men t s he
has
mad e t o
r ei mb u r s e
mi l i t ar y
p er s o n n el
who
Wer e
d i s c har g ed
fr o m
Ghan a
wi t ho u t
an y . o r
an y
ad eq u at e,
n o t i c e
fo r t hei r
l o s s o f
p o s t an d
i n c o n -
ven i en c e;
an d
what
p ar t o f
s u c h
r ei m.
b u r s emen t
has
b een
p ai d
b y Her
M aj es t y s
Go ver n men t
an d
b y t he Go v-
er n men t
o f
Ghan a,
r es p ec t i vel y .
M r .
R ams d en :
I have
ar r an g ed
fo r
mi l i t ar y
p er s o n n el
who
Wer e
s ec o n d ed
t o
Ghan a
an d
s u mmar i l y
ex p el l ed i n
1 9 61
t o
r ec ei ve
t ax - fr ee
ex - g r at i a
p ay men t s
fr o m
Un i t ed
K i n g d o m
fu n d s
r an g i n g fr o m
5 t o
! 200
ac c o r d i n g
t a
r an k
an d
whet her
ac c o mp an i ed
b y t hei r
fami l i es .
The
Go ver n men t
o f
Ghan a
has
n o t met
an y o f t he c o s t o f t b es e
ex
- g r at i a
p ay -
men t s .
The
fOl l o wi n g
t ab l e
s ho ws
t he
var i o u s
r at es .
R an k
!
c o ~ g : i ed l ~ = i ~ -
o ffi c er s
o ffi c er s
an d men
an d men
Ii i
C o l o n el s /
I
L i eu t en an t - C o l o n el s
I
1 00
I
200
M aj o r s
. . . . . .
8 5
I
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C ap t ai n s / L i eu t en an r s
I
75
1 50 Ot her
r an k s
. . ,
. . .
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1 50
228
.
1 3 3 5 O r a l Answer s
3 0 JULY 1 9 5 8 O r a l Answer s
1 3 3 6
f o r t h e
f o l l o wi ng y ea r . a nd t h e l ea f l et
sa y wh et h er h i s D ep a r t m ent
h a s a nv i n-
i nc l u d es a
p a r a g r a p h r el a t i ng sp ec i f i c a l l y f o r m a t i o n wh i c h wo u l d b a c k u p .
t h i s
t o wh a t wi v es sh o u l d d o . c l a i m a nd .
i f . so .. wh et h er h e
wo u l d
b e
p r ep a r ed t o g I V e I t t o t h ese
so c i et i es?
M r . Wa r d : As t h e h o n.
M em b er
k no ws. t h e b u l k : o f t h ese
r ep o r t s a r e
ex p l a i ned . O nl y a v er y sm a l l
p r o p o r t i o n
a r e no t ex p l a i ned . a nd we t h i nk t h a t t h e
~ ea so n wh y t h ese a r e no t
ex p l a i ned ,
t o o .
, , JS t h a t t h " , d a t a - - weh a v e
a b o u t t h em i s
no t su f f i c i ent .
C l eet h o r p es ( Lo w- F l y i ng Ai r c r a f t )
1 1 . M r . O sb o r ne a sk ed t h e
Sec r et a r y
o f St a t e f o r Ai r i f h e wi l l i nv est i g a t e t h e
c o m p l a i nt s f r o m C l eet h o r p es o f t h e
d i st u r b a nc e a nd d a ng er s o f l o w- f l y i ng a i r -
c r a f t o v er t h a t a r ea . d et a i l s o f wh i c h h a v e
b een sent t o h i m ; a nd i f h e wi l l t a k e
st ep s a s f a r a s p r a c t i c a b l e t o end t h i s
nu i sa nc e.
M r . Wa r d : I a m h a v i ng t h e c o m p l a i nt s
i v est i g a t ed a nd wi l l wr i t e t o
m y h o n.
F r i end .
M r . O sb o r ne: Wh i l e t h a nk i ng m y r i g h t
h o n. F r i end f o r t h e a c t i o n h e i s t a k i ng ,
m a y I a sk h i m i f h e wo u l d b e g o o d
eno u g h t o b ea r i n m i nd t h a t m v c o n-
st i t u ent s, wh i l e r ec o g ni si ng t h a i l o w-
f l y i ng p r a c t i c e m u st t a k e p l a c e. wo nd er
i f i t c o u l d no t t a k e p l a c e f r o m a er o -
d r o m es i n Sc o t l a nd o r Wa l es a wa y f r o m
p o p u l a t ed a r ea s, wh er e i t wo u l d no t
c a u se so m u c h nu i sa nc e?
M r .
C h et wy nd : I s t h er e
a ny . ev i d enc e
t o b a c k
u p t h e c l a i m s t h a t t h er e a r e
f l y i ng sa u c er s?
B i g g i n
H i l l ( p r i v a t e a nd
C o m m er c i a l
F l y i ng )
1 3 . M r . Lea v ey a sk ed t h e Sec r et a r y o f
St a t e f o r Ai r wh a t
p r o g r ess h a s b een
m a d e i n d i sc u ssi o ns wi t h t h e M i ni st er o f
T r a nsp o r t a nd C i v i l Av i a t i o n
r eg a r d i ng
t h e p r o v i si o n o f f a c i l i t i es f o r p r i v a t e a nd
c o m m er c i a l f l y i ng a t B i g g i n H i l I wh en
C r o y d o n Aer o d r o m e i s c l o sed .
M r . Wa r d :
M y f i g h t h o n. F r i end a nd
1 a r e d o i ng o u r b est t o wo r k o u t a r r a ng e-
M r . Wa r d : As t h er e i s no o b v i o u s m ent s wh i c h wi l l a l l o w a n a p p r o a c h t o
c a u se f o r t h i s c o m p l a i nt " I h a v e no t a ny - t h e c i v i l f i r m s a nd c l u b s a f f ec t ed
b y t h e
t h i ng wh i c h I c a n send t o Wa l es o r c l o su r e o f C r o y d o n, b u t i t i s no t a t
Sc o t l a nd .
p r esent p o ssi b l e t o a nno u nc e a d et a i l ed
F .
W" l l
h
.
h h \
sc h em e.
M r . d e r eJt a s : 1 t e ng t o n. ,
G ent l em a n b ea r i n m i nd t h a t
m y
c o n-
M r . Lea v ey : I a m o b l i g ed t o m y r i g h t
st i t u ent s wi l l b e v er y m u c h h a p p i er i f
h o n. F r i end f o r t h a t r ep l y , b u t I f ed su r e
t h i s f l y i ng t a k es p l a c e o v er t h e ea st er n
t h a t h e wi l l a g r ee t h a t i t d o es no t t a k e u s
p a r t o f t h e c o nst i t t r enc y o f t h e h o n. M em -
v er y m u c h f u r t h er . I s h e a wa r e t h a t t h er e
b er f o r Lo u t h ( M r . O sb o r ne) , r a t h er t h a n
i s a su sp i c i o n o f a n i d ea t h a t t h e R o y a !
i n t h e a r ea wh i c h I r ep r esent ?
Ai r F o r c e i s b ei ng a l i t t l e d o g - i n- t h e-
m a ng er i n i t s a t t i t u d e r eg a r d i ng t h e u se
o f
B i g g i n
H i l l b y c i v i l i a n a i r c r a f t o p er a -
t o r s? Wi l l h e t h er ef o r e k eep a t t h e
su b j ec t so t h a t we m a y l o o k f o r wa r d t o
a n a nno u nc em ent wh i c h wi l l r em o v e t h i s
l o ng - c o nt i nu i ng d o u b t a nd u l l c er t a i nt y ?
M r . Wa r d : I c a n a ssu r e
m y
h o n. F r i end
t h a t we a r e no t b ei ng t h e l ea st d o g - i n- t h e
m a ng er a b o t i t . We a r e
v er y
k een t o
h el p t h ese
p eo p l e.
. I a m i n
.
c l o se t o u c h
wi t h
m y r i g h t h o n. F r i end t h e M i ni st er o f
T r a nsp o r t o n t h e m a ~ er . b u t t h er e a r e
so m e p r a c t i c a l d i f f i c u l t i es. wh i c h we sh a l l
t r y
t o o v er c o m e a s so o n a s p o ssi b l e.
M r . B eswi c k : I n t h e c o u r se o f h i s
d i s-
c u ssi o ns wi t h h i s r i g h t h o n. F r i end .
wi p
t h e M i ni st er st i l l b e C 0nsi d er i ng t h e p O SSI -
b i l i t y o f u si ng H end o n f o r l i g h t
c i v i l
a i r c r a f t ?
Uni d ent i f i ed
F l y i ng O b j ec t s
1 2 . M r .
C h et wy nd
a sk ed t h e Sec r et a r y
o f St a t e f o r Ai r wh a t a c t i o n i s b ei ng
t a k en t o a sc er t a i n t h e i d ent i t y o f u ni d en~
t i f i ed f l y i ng o b j ec t s wh i c h h a v e no t ~ en
r ec o g ni sed a s m et eo r s, b a l ! o o ns. a i r c r a f t
o r sa t el l i t es.
M r . wa r d .: We
i nv est i g a t e a l l r ep o r t s
o f u ni d ent i f i ed
f l y i ng o b j ec t s
a s f u l l y a s
t h e d et a i l s a l l o w. b u t I a m a f r a i d , t h er e
wi l l a l wa y s b e so m e wh i c h r em a i n u n-
ex p l a i ned b ec a u se t h e r ep o r t s a r e no t
su f f i c i ent l y p r ec i se.
M r .
C h et wy o d :
I s t h e r i g h t h o n.
G ent l em a n a wa r e t h a t a nu m b er o f sc i en~
t i f i c so c i et i es a r e c o nd u c t i ng r es a r c h t o
t r y
t o est a b l i sh t h e ex i st enc e o f f l y i ng
sa u c er s? C a n t h e l i g h t h o n. G ent l em a n
O r a l "
Swa l l o w A
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,
St a t e f o r Ai r wi
,
r e i s f o r a V a !
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a m es Wa l l i s.
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t e f o r Ai r t o \
ent
h a s c o nsi d e
t i o ns o f t h e Sw:
i t R o y a l Ai r F o
a k e a st a t em ent
t i es.
M r . Wa r d : T h t
p t i s a t p r esen.
, r esea r c h p r o j ec t t :
t h e M i ni st er o f
k no wn o f t h e
p o
p r i nc i p l e i t wo u l ,
.
M i ni st r y t o s:
_
m i l i t a r y r eq u i
, em b o d y i ng i t .
M r . d e F r ei w
g er i ng p o ssi b i l i t i
o nl y i n t h e m i l i t
m i l i t a r y r ec o I 1 J1 a i
c o m m er C i a l f i el d .
z em a r k a b l e
est i r
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r eq u i r ed f o r t h e
m ent , wi I l t h e
m a t t er a g a i n. t o :
o f Su p p l y
a nd
o r d er t o see i f t l :
m ent sh o u l d b e
M r . Wa r d : 1
d eep l y
i nt er est e
t h i s k i nd . As t l
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Su p p l y
i s v er y
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t o wh a t ex t ent b
g r eed
t h a t d i l i
wi t h t h e Uni t ed
t h e T i g h t h o n.
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wi t
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C I can see it.
! : :
All right give me a little side lighting
so I can find the tree. Ok, ah,
n~
I ve lost the tree. Ok stop. Stog, right on Hey,
this is eerie! A Want to do the hot
spot on this side.
! : :
This is strange! Eerie! Someone want to look at the spot ~ the
ground,
. . hoops! Watch or else you! ll . . alk all over
, tem. : ! ~ I ll avoid
em
sir. At least one
is definet.
! : :
Thatts good.
Lets
step b ack. And not walk over em! C ome b ack here, someone
put a b eam on ~ . Youtre gonna have to get b ack 10 or 15 feet. Do you see it? A Ok fine.
C Ok lights off. U (Low strange voice: He: . took this long to dock. ) (Tape is silent for 28
seconds, on at 9 and 11 seconds b riefly. 3 b eeps at 20- 2~ seconds. On at 28 seconds. )
C I think it just went
b y.
U Yeah. C Want to hit the first spot.
Ok thats . . hat We call,
~ h, spot~ numb er 3 .
Lets go- to
the b ck corner and get spot numb er 1. Spot numb er 1. Heres
spot numb er 1. Right here! Spot numb er 1 right here! You need some light? There it is,
right there. You fcx : used. A F cx : used.
f
Ok, look at spot numb er 1. thr
gh
the starlight
scope. A Slight increase in the light. . C Slight ihcre se in light
in
spot.
numb er 1. Lets
go
look- at
spot numb er 2. A Spot
numb er- 2. is
right over here. Right here! See it? U
B ack-
ground voices Seven spots ne. ) C Ok, when you get
focusedon: it tell me when. Ok: lights
n.
Lets see what we get on it. A Slight increase. C J ust a slight increase? E
Try
the
center. C

The center spot, the ~ e who reads the ce ter? I tts, slightly off c nter~
its
right there.
Right here.
. ! : ! .
Letts mark that on the center.
s. .
Ok,
were
going to get you a
reading on it. Rig c there. A Ok. C Ok, tell me when youre ready ready. A Ready! C Ok,
lights on. The
centerspot . rere l oking
at
now
arent we1 Almost center. - . ! Yes with a
sl-
ight increase.
C Slight increase c~ ~ ter1 ~ his is slightly off center towards the" ah, one
~ wo side.
I ts some
typ
of ab rasion or something in the ground
where the pine needles are
all pushed
b ack. We get ~ high radiac or high reading ab out a defl~ tion of, ah 2 to 3 ,
: - cab ye 4,
depending on the point of entry.
U More than a trace.
. !
Ye.
. ! : ! .
You say
theres at.
positive aftereffect? A Yes there is definetly.
Thats on the center spot.
Therer is an
aftereffect.
U What do s that mean? A I t means when the lights are turned off, once . . e
are focused i
,
to allow time for for the eyes to adjust, we are getting an indication of
a heat source coming out of that cente; : - spot- as, ah which will shO\ . i up on a. . . C Hey
th, . . . .
eres some sort of energy;
I ts hardly heat at this stage of the game. Looking directly
overhead one can see an opening in the trees plus some freshly b roken pine b ranches on the
ground ~ ~ derneath. Looks like some of them c~ ~ e off ab out 15 to 20 feet up. Some small
b r-
anches ab out an inch or less in diameter. I t
t
seither 0148 ; . ; ere getting very strange
sou-
nds out of the farmers b arnyard animals. They are verjr
active making an a. . . . . ful lot of noi-
se. A I just
sa. . . . . some sort of figme. ntation. C You saw a light? Where? Slow down, where?
A Right in this position here straight
ahead- b etween the trees, there it is again.
C Oh
~ hat! A Straight
ahead off that flash oock there. There it is. C Oh, yeah, I see it too.
What is it? A He dont k. . t1C )" W sir. C an I get someone to help me here. C Yeah!
I ts
a strange
s~ ll, red l1ght,
looks like mab ye a quarter to half a mile, mab ye
further out.
I re
gonna
suitch off. The li~ ht is gone now. I t ~ 4S approx imately 120 degrees trx ough the site on
through the site~ A
I ts b ack there! C I s it b ack again? A Yes, . sir, C Oh, douse the flash~
lights then.
LetS- move out : to the edge of the clearing, so we can
g
a b etter look at it.
See if you can get the star scoPe on it. The lights still there and the b arnyard animals
have gotten quiet n~ . Yeah,
-
ere. . .
heading ab out 110- 120 degrees from the site
out through to the clearing now.
Welte still getting a reading on the meter. Ab out 2 clicks,
counting ab out 2 clicks, three to four clicks, getting stronger. A N o. . its
stopped. N ow
it~ s coming up. Hold on, there We go.
Were ab out approx imately
4- feet
off the ground, and
corning- .
to
a
heading of 110 degrees. C AI l right
let
s turn the meter off. Say that aga in.
C Ab out 4 feet off the ground,
ab out- I I O d~ grees, getting a reading of ab out 4 clicks.
A Yes, sir (Heavy
sound sneeze) ex cuse me. N ow its died. C N oW its died.
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page
4
,
.
C I t h i ~ k
i t s s08et h i ng out on t h e ground. I t h i nk
i t s
somet h i ng t h at s
somet h i ng
t h at s vari able h ere. A A large t re~ ri gh t over t h ere. C He just scoped t h e fi rst
ni gh t bi rd t h at ,
~ e ve- seen. We re about 150 t o 200 y ards from t h e si t e. Every t h i ng
lse
i s deat h ly calm. Th ere s no doubt about i t ,
t h ere s some t y p
of st range flash i -
ng red li gh t ah ead. A Th ere. I t s"y ello>l. C I S a " a y ello. . . t i nge i n i t t oo. Wei rd!
I t , i t , :i t appears t ~ maY , be J lovi ng a li t t le bi t t h i s \lay ?
~
Y es.
. f
I t s
bri gh t er
t h an i t h as be~ ~ A Y eah . C I t s
comi ng t h i s \lay . I t i s defi net ly comi ng t h i s Way t A
I t s sh oot i ng! C Pi eces O f i t are sh oot i ng off. A Y eah ! A t elev~ ~ o clock ! C Th ere s
no doubt about Tt , t h i s i s . . . eeei i rd! A To t h e left . C Y eah , defi net ly movi ng left .
A Tw o li gh t s. C O k . A T Wo l gh t s.
~ w o- li gh t s at t h e bot t om and one t o t h e left . C
Keep t h flash
i gh t s-
off. Th ere s somet h i ng- very ,
"very st range. Keep t h e h eadset - on.
S ee i f i t get s
any h i gh er. O k , gi v us y our readi ng. A A not at i on t h at t h i s i s on a
bet a readi ng t oo. C I t s on a bet a readi ng? A But t h e seal h as been removed. C O k .
Pi eces of i t are falli ng off i t agai n. A I t just moved t o t h e ri gh t . C Y eah . A ff , :
t o t h e ri gh t ! C S t range! Wh e\l! I s i t w aggi n t o t h e left . Let s
apprpa
h t o t h e edge
of t h e . . . oods up t h ere. C an ~ R e; do . . . i t h out li gh t s?
Let s do i t carefully . C ome on.
O k ,
w e re look i ng at t h e t h i ng.
We re
probably , 2 or 3 h undred y ards a. . . ay . I t look s
li k e an ey e w i ~ ~ i ng at y ou.
I t s st i ll movi ng fr m si de t o si de. A nd \lh en y ou
p
t t h e
S t ar S cope 6n i t , i t i t , sort of r~ s a h ollow cent er, dark cent er. I t s, i t s, y eah !
Li k e t h e pupi l of an ey e look i ng at
:Y . . ou
and vi nk i n. A nd t h e flash i s so bri gh t t h rough
t h e S t ar S cop~ t h at i t almost burns y our ey e.
~ e re
past t h e farmer~ s h ouse and are
across i n t h e next fi eld. NO \< >le h ave mult i ple si gh t i ngs of up t o fi ve li gh t s w i t h a
si mi lar sr~ pe and orbi t v But t h ey seem t o be st eady now , rat h er t h ana pulsat i ng or
glo~ \li t h a red flash . We just crosse
.
t h e cri ck . A Here w e
go,
ah st rong w i nd.
C A nd, ah
w e re
get t i ng w h at k i nd of readi ngs now . C li ck s. C Get t i ng 3 good cli ck s
on t h e met er and
w e re
seei ng st range li gh t s , i n t h e- sk y . A t 2 :4 4 w e re
at t h e far si de
of t h e farmer s, second farmer s fi eld" and made si gh t i ng agai n about 110 degrees.
Th i s look s li k e
i t s clear out t o t h e coast . I t s
ri gh t on t h e h ori zon. Noves about a
bi t and flash es from, t i me t o t i me. S t i ll st eady or
red i n color. A lso aft er negat i ve
readi ngs i n, t h e cent er. We feel t h at w e re
pi ck i ng up sli gh t readi ngs, ah 4 or 5i cli c~
s nO \< on t h e met er. C 3 105 \I e see st range, ah , st robe li k e flash es t o t h e, ah , ra. t h er
sporadi c but t h ere s- defi net ly somet h i ng t h ere, : some k i nd of ph enomena. 3 :05 at about
,
ah 10 degrees , h ori zon, ah di rect ly nort h , w e ve
got 2 st range object s, ah , h alf mo-
on sh aped, vent s L~ t h e back >li t h colored li gh t s on t h em. But , ah get s t o be about
S , t a 10 mi les out , may be less. Th e h alf moons h ave nO l t urned i nt o full ci rcles. I t
look s li k e i t vas ecli ps d t h ere for a mi nut e or t w o. M ean. . . h i le i t s
3 :15. Naw w e ve
got an object ~ bO t lt ":10 , :degrees di rect ly sout h . Th e one s t o t h e nort h are movi ng I
ane-
w
S movi ng aw ay from us. .
I t
s ~ m vi ng only . U I t s
movi ng out fast . A Th ere s one on
t h e ri gh t s h eadi ng
a~ ay - t oo! C Y ea h , t h ey r bot h h eadi ng nort h . Hey ! Here! Here h e
comes from t h e sout h ! He s
comi ng t ow ard us naw . U O h sh i t . C Now w e re
observi ng \lh at
appears t o be a beam comi ng on t a t h e ground. Th i s i s unreai T 3 13 0,
i t S
nearly 3 :3 0
and t h e object s are st i ll i n t h e
sk y ,
allt h ough t h e one t o t h e sout h look s li k e
i t s
loosi ng a li t t le bi t of alt i t ude. ~ e re
t urni ng around and h eadi ng back t ow ards t h e
base. Th e object t o t h e sout h i s st i ll beami ng do Wn li e; h t s t o t h e ground. 04 00 h ours
one object st i ll h overi ng over w oodbri dge base at about 5 t o 10 degrees off t h e h ori -
zon. S t i ll movi ng errat i c and si mi lar li gh t s and beami ng dow ~ bi t s of fi re.
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1 . B e t t y i s t h e r e l i f e h e r e ? ( 4 , 8 )
1 . S OC OI T O P o l i c e m a n ? ( 6 )
2 . J e s s e M a r c e l w a s o n e ? ( 5 )
4 . UFOs s o m e t i m e s d o n t ~ e g i s t e r
H a l t c o u n t r y ? ( 1 0 )
o n t h i s ? ( 5 )
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c l a i m s t o b e o n e ?
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s p a c e v e h i C l e s ? ( 7 )
1 1 . S m a l l i s l a n d o n E a r t h ? ( 2 ) I n k
s o u l o r f t ~ r
l i f e ?
( 2 )
1 2 . M o s t UFO s i g h t i n g s ? ( 5 )
T a r g e t ? ( 3 ), . . ~ i ~ i I 5 . Un c o m m o n s h a p e f o r
UFO !
( 4 )
1 3 . I - I t u n a n b l o o d t y p e ? ( 2 )
. . . . .
1 6 .
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w i n t e r ? ( 3 )
2 1 . M o s t UFOs d o t h i s ? ( 5 )
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3 0 , A g a i n s t a t o m i c s ? ( 2 ) l n i t .
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