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Interview of Gopal Godse

Interview of Gopal Godse

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Gopal Godse, co-conspirator in Gandhi’s assassination and brother of the assassin, looks back in anger–and without regret
Fifty-two years ago, on Jan. 30, 1948, Mohandas Gandhi was shot dead by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu extremist. Godse believed that the Mahatma, or great soul, was responsible for the 1947 partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. Godse and his friend Narayan Apte were hanged. His brother Gopal and two others were sentenced to life imprisonment for their part in the conspiracy. Gopal Godse remained in jail for 18 years and now, at 80, lives with his wife in a small apartment in Pune. He is still proud of his role in the murder. Although Godse is largely ignored in India and rarely talks to journalists, he agreed to speak with TIME Delhi correspondent Meenakshi Ganguly.
Gopal Godse, co-conspirator in Gandhi’s assassination and brother of the assassin, looks back in anger–and without regret
Fifty-two years ago, on Jan. 30, 1948, Mohandas Gandhi was shot dead by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu extremist. Godse believed that the Mahatma, or great soul, was responsible for the 1947 partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. Godse and his friend Narayan Apte were hanged. His brother Gopal and two others were sentenced to life imprisonment for their part in the conspiracy. Gopal Godse remained in jail for 18 years and now, at 80, lives with his wife in a small apartment in Pune. He is still proud of his role in the murder. Although Godse is largely ignored in India and rarely talks to journalists, he agreed to speak with TIME Delhi correspondent Meenakshi Ganguly.

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Time Magazine’s February 2000 interviewof Gopal Godse
His Principle of Peace Was Bogus
Gopal Godse, co-conspirator in Gandhi’s assassination and brother of the assassin, looksback in anger–and without regret 
Fifty-two years ago, on Jan. 30, 1948, Mohandas Gandhi was shot dead by Nathuram Godse, aHindu extremist. Godse believed that the Mahatma, or great soul, was responsible for the 1947 partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. Godse and his friend Narayan Apte were hanged.His brother Gopal and two others were sentenced to life imprisonment for their part in theconspiracy. Gopal Godse remained in jail for 18 years and now, at 80, lives with his wife in asmall apartment in Pune. He is still proud of his role in the murder. Although Godse is largelyignored in India and rarely talks to journalists, he agreed to speak with TIME Delhicorrespondent Meenakshi Ganguly.
TIME:
What happened in January 1948?
Godse:
On Jan. 20, Madanlal Pahwa exploded a bomb at Gandhi’s prayer meeting in Delhi. Itwas 50 m away from Gandhi. [The other conspirators] all ran away from the place. Madanlal wascaught there. Then there was a tension in our minds that we had to finish the task before the police caught us. Then Nathuram [Gopal's brother] took it on himself to do the thing. We onlywanted destiny to help us — meaning we should not be caught on the spot before he acted.
TIME:
Why did you want to kill Gandhi?
Godse:
Gandhi was a hypocrite. Even after the massacre of the Hindus by the Muslims, he washappy. The more the massacres of the Hindus, the taller his flag of secularism.
TIME:
Did you ever see Gandhi?
 
Godse:
Yes.
TIME:
Did you attend his meetings?
Godse:
Yes.
TIME:
Can you explain how he created his mass following?
Godse:
The credit goes to him for maneuvering the media. He captured the press. That wasessential. How Gandhi walked, when he smiled, how he waved — all these minor details that the people did not require were imposed upon them to create an atmosphere around Gandhi. And themore ignorant the masses, the more popular was Gandhi. So they always tried to keep the massesignorant.
TIME:
But surely it takes more than good publicity to create a Gandhi?
Godse:
There is another thing. Generally in the Indian masses, people are attracted towardsaintism. Gandhi was shrewd to use his saintdom for politics. After his death the governmentused him. The government knew that he was an enemy of Hindus, but they wanted to show thathe was a staunch Hindu. So the first act they did was to put “Hey Ram” into Gandhi’s deadmouth.
TIME:
You mean that he did not say “Hey Ram” as he died?
Godse:
No, he did not say it. You see, it was an automatic pistol. It had a magazine for nine bullets but there were actually seven at that time. And once you pull the trigger, within a second,all the seven bullets had passed. When these bullets pass through crucial points like the heart,consciousness is finished. You have no strength.When Nathuram saw Gandhi was coming, he took out the pistol and folded his hands with the pistol inside it. There was one girl very close to Gandhi. He feared that he would hurt the girl. Sohe went forward and with his left hand pushed her aside and shot. It happened within one second.You see, there was a film and some Kingsley fellow had acted as Gandhi. Someone asked me
 
whether Gandhi said, “Hey Ram.” I said Kingsley did say it. But Gandhi did not. Because thatwas not a drama.
TIME:
Many people think Gandhi deserved to be nominated TIME’s Person of the Century. [Hewas one of two runners-up, after Albert Einstein.]
Godse:
I name him the most cruel person for Hindus in India. The most cruel person! That ishow I term him.
TIME:
Is that why Gandhi had to die?
Godse:
Yes. For months he was advising Hindus that they must never be angry with theMuslims. What sort of ahimsa (non-violence) is this? His principle of peace was bogus. In anyfree country, a person like him would be shot dead officially because he was encouraging theMuslims to kill Hindus.
TIME:
But his philosophy was of turning the other cheek. He felt one person had to stop thecycle of violence…
Godse:
The world does not work that way.
TIME:
Is there anything that you admire about Gandhi?
Godse:
Firstly, the mass awakening that Gandhi did. In our school days Gandhi was our idol.Secondly, he removed the fear of prison. He said it is different to go into prison for a theft anddifferent to go in for satyagraha (civil disobedience). As youngsters, we had our enthusiasm, butwe needed some channel. We took Gandhi to be our channel. We don’t repent for that.
TIME:
Did you not admire his principles of non-violence?
Godse:
Non-violence is not a principle at all. He did not follow it. In politics you cannot follownon-violence. You cannot follow honesty. Every moment, you have to give a lie. Every momentyou have to take a bullet in hand and kill someone. Why was he proved to be a hypocrite?

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