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Interview with

?? and

Leslie

Filson,

no

date

Tape

Side

A

(name

written

on

tape

saysSass

and

Fgor

but

voicesaid something

like

Rusman,

alert

pilot

from

Andrews

AFB)

Interview begins

on

Side

B of

tape

and

continues

on

Side

A

Beginning

of

Tape

Side

BR: So we

knocked

off the

meeting

and we are

critical

(inaudible)

we

went back

to theops

counter,

at

that point

we had

three airplanes

that were going (inaudible)

we

were

trying

to

figure

out

what

to do

with them.

We

figured that might

be

some

ATC

considerations like

??

might

not be

able

to fly and so

forth

and so on. We

started

makingphone calls

and

then

?? was the

SOF,

I was the Ops

Group

and at

some

point

in

there

we

endedup

talking

to theSecret Serviceandthey indicatedto usthat somethingwasreallybad. They were nervous.F: How did you get in touch with them or How did they get in touch with you? Why, didthey know you?R:

We

have

a

close

working relationship with them, with

Air

Force

One

needs

(inaudible)

when that happens

we

can't

really (inaudible) there isn't

a

Secret

Service

in

power all of the time. That controls the recovery of the aircraft.

F:

Okay

R:

So, some of us had met, one of the Secret Service representatives in ?? I knew one ofthem, they called over there and that was when we started getting the indication that

(inaudible)

They asked us to get airplanes in the air and as soon as that phone

call

came

through

now ??? us

directly

??? in bad

shape.

We

started

-1

knew that getting

the

missilesout of thebomb shelterwasgoingto be a

long

processto getthem fromtheothersideof the

field

???called overtoweaponsandsaidto

pull

themissiles out, started

bringing

them over.

We

took four

of us

that were there

at the

time,

we

went

into

a

briefing

room and it was a very short brief. ?? we are going to get in the air. We have noidea what

is

going

on but the

frequencies

- we

will

figure

out

once

we get in the

air.

So

we

come

out of the

brief,

put on our

flying

gear.

Finally

when

we got the

flight

gear

on

we stopped by the ops desk to check the desk out and ??? Cpt Thompson, he was incharge of that. When we came back out myself and Lucky ?? get in the air now, so we

ran

all the way from the ops desk to the airplane. We didn't have missiles on our

airplane,

(inaudible) Lt Col AGS commander...F: Yea, 1 talked to him already.

R:

Got us ready, then he pointed, these

jets

are ready do you want to wait for the ones

with

missilesonthem?Wesaid "no,wedon't have timetowait."So wecameto

another

airplane,

as

soon

as I

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F: You and ?

R:

Lt ??

who's

call sign

is

Lucky jumped into

the

good airplane

??? as

soon

as I

turnedthe airplane on, now I could hear the radio chatter. I hear dog (?) telling Billy

Hutchinson,

the

first

guy to get airborne in the air. They were saying that "I've only got

2,400

Ibs

ofgas" whichislow, like maybeaquarterof atankinyour car,it

goes

byquickly.

It is

probably

one

tenth

of the gas wecarry,you are on E at

that

point. There

is

enough that I can get airborne anyway. So he takes off and says "what are we looking

for?" Dog (?) says

look

forsomething

coming down

the

river

because

bythenATC and

the

FAA had ???

F:

Who's

dog?R: Phil Thompson

F:

(inaudible)

R:

By

then they

had

spotted

the

flight

path mission

- the guy

that

??

down

the

river.

He

goes up there and doesn't see anything, lands, we are not far behind them.F: Let memake sure thatIhave this straight.So atthat point, thereis

some

concernof

looking for the

fourth flight.

So you

guys

are

well

aware

of

what

is

taking place.

R:

Not all of us,

because

I

don't know about

my ??? we are

getting

fed

information

but

we

don't have

the

full

picture.

We got

word

that

something else

is

coming

in.

That's

coming

from

ATC.

F: Is that???

R:Yeah, wellno,it's Washington National.

F: So

many

different

people,

okay.

R:

Right

F: All

right.

R:

So

somewhere

in

there,

I

talked

to the

White House jock

in the

operation center.

F:

When

you

were talking

to the

White House

flight

operations center, what

do

they

tell

you?

R:I

don't know much about what they've

got

going

on but

they

seem

kind

of

like

a

command

post

I

understand

for the

White House. They have representatives from

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different

fields

in

there,

they have

Secret

Service,

probably

a DOD

kind

of

person,

I'm

not sure exactly.

F: Is

this kind

of

interface pretty unusual?

R:

This

is

unusual because

Bob

knew

the

Secret Service

guy and the

Secret

Service

guy I

think either pointed

us in the

direction

of the

White House

jock.

F:

Okay

R:

But

this

is

unusual

because

of one of

the, nobody would have

access

to

that.F: Okay, so at this point, you guys are taking off and you just have guns.R: InaudibleF:Okay

R:

It's hot guns, hot means that if you pull the trigger ??? but the kind of bullets that wehave, they are different kinds of bullets, you have training bullets not

real

bullets, combat

bullets.

So we have hot guns but with training ordnance.

F:

Technically,

if you

shot them could they?

R: Inaudible

F: At

this

point,

you

just really know that there

has

been,

the

world trade center,

thepentagon,

you are taking off for intercepts basically or do you have any kind of direction

that

if you see a

flight

-

what's

in

your mind

and

what were your

orders?

R:

Well, lateron,when Phil talksto thejock, word comes down thattheVice President

has

declared Washington

DC a

weapons

free

zone essentially. Which means that

we are

authorized

to use

force

to

defend

the

people

in the

buildings against against whatever

we

think

is our

there.

F:

Weapons

???R:

Weapons free zone.F: That sounds like ??

offices.

Weapons

free...R:We can let the

weapons

go.F:

OkayR:

Weapons

tight

means holding back

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