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Text COM:1879507 (38 lines)From: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia)Date: 24-Nov-98 22:41Cc: (ISKCON) Social and Economic Development [1152]Cc: Varnasrama development [7080]Bcc: Dharmasthana [816]For: ISKCON India (news & discussion)Reference: Text COM:1878146 by Jatukarnya (das) HKS (Cintamani Intl, Oslo - N)Subject: Scandinavians disqualified, too?------------------------------------------------------------> > The lemming analogy seems appropriate for several reasons:-> > 1) Lemmings also belong to the North European zone.> >> > 2) Like the lemmings marching in line, nearly everyone from the> > Scandinavian region took the same position - on one side of this> > controversy. Surely some variegatedness in opinion was to be expected> > among so many respondents from one region?>> We are of course all crazy, witout any common sense. Scandinavia is> drowning in Lemmings! Help!>> I hope you are joking, and that you are not so nationalistic that you> condemn all Scandinavians just because you believe my texts to be full of> nonsense. Heavy judgement on the bodily platform. Sounds like statements> befitting the GHQ.Please don't get melodramatic. I did NOT condemn all Scandinavians. Whileit's true that there was an outcry from this region in the beginning andalmost all the respondents, with you in the lead, lined up against one side,you will agree that this is only a small percentage of the devotees servingin Scandinavia. As you must know, not everybody will follow you blindly.Now, as accusations of conspiracy and such things are beginning to wearthin, many devotees, including those joined the initial outcry, are seeingthrough the smoke and are starting to discuss the real issues as put forwardby Basu Ghosh Prabhu, Bhakti Vikas Swami, Ameyatma Prabhu and others. Butyou remain adamant and continue to disparage them without discussing whatthey have written. Just how long do you intend to rage on like this?> PS: By the way, I suppose you found Jivan Mukta's text to Jayadvaja> Maharaja very respectful...No. But I am surprised that you noticed, while wearing the yellow jersey andseemingly keen to take first prize in this dangerous sport of offendingsuperiors.Your servant,Goloka Candra dasa(Text COM:1879507) -----------------------------------------Text COM:1879489 (4 lines)From: Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore - USA)Date: 24-Nov-98 22:31To: Dharmasthana [815]Subject: FLS The Web Site is going up TOMORROW!!!------------------------------------------------------------Domain name will be GHQD.ORG
 
Please send me your private off-COM e-male addresses if you want to reviewthe contents. ys KKdas(Text COM:1879489) -----------------------------------------Text COM:1879292 (118 lines)From: Jivan Mukta (das) TSI (Back to Basics) (Ontario - CAN)Date: 24-Nov-98 20:42To: Dharmasthana [814]Reference: Text COM:1878522 by Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore - USA)Subject: Re: URG Leak at SYSOP LEVEL------------------------------------------------------------>Has anyone forwarded Maharaj's letter to anyone outside of the one's>mentioned in the header? Please verify this.Not us. We've not shared a single text from GHQ to non-members.>On 24 Nov 1998, Basu Ghosh wrote:>> Did Maharaj use that word "feminazis" in his corresspondence?>>Yes, according to the quotes posted here by Ivar. Here it is:>"For instance, using Srila Prabhupada's definition of a prostitute, we can>(in polite terms) question the status of re-married Iskcon women. This is>certain to get the feminazis highly riled..." -- Bhakti Vikas Swami>(September 24, 1998 on "re: malati's response").BVKS's above-mentioned response was posted on VNN as follows:Letter COM:1714977 (38 lines)From: Bhakti Vikasa SwamiDate: 24-Sep-98 10:47To:Comment: Text COM:1719236 by Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP(Baroda - IN)Subject: Re: malati's response------------------------------------------------------------"Purvapakshin" is the best word, as it brings images ofa dignified,rather than purely political, opponent. Often, theother party have made mostundignified attacks (I was the subject of one of them,on Chakra); butour hope should be that "amanina manadena" on our partwill sober them up.We should bring discussion up from the emotional leveland oppose them onsastric grounds, on which we are certain to prevail.Slanging matchesare fit for uneducated village women. We can't win onthat level.I'm not suggesting that our presentation should not bestrong. But thesastric quotes are in themselves so heavy that wehardly need to add ourown expletives. For instance, using Srila Prabhupada's
 
definition of aprostitute, we can (in polite terms) question thestatus of re-marriedIskcon women. This is certain to get the feminazishighly riled, as theyare mostly re-married divorcees, but we can simplycooly again present thePrabhupada quote to them, and not allow them toobfuscate the point withtheir name-calling.Is this forwarded message that follows something you are now posting, orwas it actually attached to Vijai Pai's message?>---------- Forwarded Message ---------->>Letter COM:1714977 (38 lines)>From: Bhakti Vikasa Swami>Date: 24-Sep-98 10:47>To: Rasananda Swami (USA) [2822] (forwarded: 24-Sep-98 10:50)>To: Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Florida Vedic College - USA) [4999]>(received: 24-Sep-98 14:00)>To: btb@georgian.net (sent: 24-Sep-98 10:53)>Cc: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [6078] (received: 24-Sep-98>16:06)>Cc: Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore - USA) [640]>Reference: Text COM:1714326 by Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Florida Vedic>College - USA)>Comment: Text COM:1715993 by Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Florida Vedic>College - USA)>Comment: Text COM:1719236 by Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)>Subject: Re: malati's response>------------------------------------------------------------>"Purvapakshin" is the best word, as it brings images of a dignified, rather>than purely political, opponent. Often, the other party have made most>undignified attacks (I was the subject of one of them, on Chakra); but our>hope should be that "amanina manadena" on our part will sober them up. We>should bring discussion up from the emotional level and oppose them on>sastric grounds, on which we are certain to prevail. Slanging matches are>fit for uneducated village women. We can't win on that level.>>I'm not suggesting that our presentation should not be strong. But the>sastric quotes are in themselves so heavy that we hardly need to add our own>expletives. For instance, using Srila Prabhupada's definition of a>prostitute, we can (in polite terms) question the status of re-married>Iskcon women. This is certain to get the feminazis highly riled, as they are>mostly re-married divorcees, but we can simply cooly again present the>Prabhupada quote to them, and not allow them to obfuscate the point with>their name-calling.>>Here's an example of what kind of response we can expect (Mad Radha re Basu>Ghosh):>>> I want nothing to do with these over-zealous,>> arch conservative, backwards, women-hating, oppressive people who give>> ISKCON a bad name. I've engaged in too many discussions with them already.>> Tired of it. Sick of it.
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