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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - xUNITED STATES, EX REL. IRWINEISENSTEIN,Petitioner:::v. : No. 08-660CITY OF NEW YORK, NEWYORK, ET AL.::- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - xWashington, D.C.Tuesday, April 21, 2009The above-entitled matter came on for oralargument before the Supreme Court of the United Statesat 11:17 a.m.APPEARANCES:GIDEON A. SCHOR, ESQ., New York, N.Y.; on behalf ofthe Petitioner.PAUL T. REPHEN, ESQ., New York, N.Y.; on behalf of theRespondents.JEFFREY B. WALL, ESQ., Assistant to the SolicitorGeneral, Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; onbehalf of the United States, as amicus curiae,supporting the Respondents.1
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C O N T E N T S
ORAL ARGUMENT OF PAGEGIDEON A. SCHOR, ESQ.On behalf of the Petitioner 3
PAUL T. REPHEN, ESQ.
On behalf of the Respondents 25
JEFFREY B. WALL, ESQ.
On behalf of the United States, as amicuscuriae, supporting the Respondents 41
REBUTTAL ARGUMENT OF
GIDEON A. SCHOR, ESQ.
On behalf of the Petitioner 51
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P R O C E E D I N G S(11:17 a.m.)CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: We will hearargument next in Case 08-660, United States, ex rel.Eisenstein v. the City of New York.Mr. Schor.ORAL ARGUMENT OF GIDEON A. SCHORON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONERMR. SCHOR: Mr. Chief Justice, and may itplease the Court:For two main reasons, the Second Circuit'sjudgment should be reversed. First, under AppellateRule 4(a)(1)(B) the government is a party in qui tamactions because it is named, served, and bound and areal party in interest, all without ever intervening oractively participating.And second, any participation-based testparty status will create a burdensome fact-specificjurisdictional inquiry at the start of every appealedand declined qui tam --JUSTICE GINSBURG: Why at the start? Whyisn't the time the end, when we can -- the notice ofappeal is to be filed after there is a judgment. Whyisn't the proper time to determine number of days toappeal when the judgment is entered? And at that point,3
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