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COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS MEDIA CONFERENCE CALLSUBJECT: THE UPCOMING G-20 SUMMITSPEAKERS: STEVEN DUNAWAY, SENIOR FELLOW FOR INTERNATIONALECONOMICS;MATTHEW J. SLAUGHTER, SENIOR FELLOW FOR BUSINESS AND GLOBALIZATIONPRESIDER: SEBASTIAN MALLABY, SENIOR FELLOW FOR INTERNATIONALECONOMICSTIME: 11:30 A.M. EDTDATE: TUESDAY, MARCH 24, 2009.STX(C) COPYRIGHT 2009, FEDERAL NEWS SERVICE, INC., 1000 VERMONT AVE.NW; 5TH FLOOR; WASHINGTON, DC - 20005, USA. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ANY REPRODUCTION,REDISTRIBUTION OR RETRANSMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.UNAUTHORIZED REPRODUCTION, REDISTRIBUTION OR RETRANSMISSION CONSTITUTES AMISAPPROPRIATION UNDER APPLICABLE UNFAIR COMPETITION LAW, AND FEDERAL NEWSSERVICE, INC. RESERVES THE RIGHT TO PURSUE ALL REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO IT IN RESPECT TOSUCH MISAPPROPRIATION.FEDERAL NEWS SERVICE, INC. IS A PRIVATE FIRM AND IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THEFEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NO COPYRIGHT IS CLAIMED AS TO ANY PART OF THE ORIGINAL WORKPREPARED BY A UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE AS PART OF THATPERSON'S OFFICIAL DUTIES.FOR INFORMATION ON SUBSCRIBING TO FNS, PLEASE CALL CARINA NYBERG AT 202-347-1400.THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.-------------------------OPERATOR: Excuse me, everyone. We now have our speakers in conference. Please be aware that each of yourlines is in a listen-only mode. At the conclusion of the presentation, we will open the floor for questions. At that time,instructions will be given if you would like to ask a question. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr.Sebastian Mallaby.SEBASTIAN MALLABY: Thanks very much. This is Sebastian Mallaby. I direct the Center for GeoeconomicStudies at the Council on Foreign Relations. And thanks for joining this call on the G-20 next week.With me on the line, we've got CFRs adjunct senior fellows, Steven Dunaway, who joined us recently after spending25 years as a senior economist at the IMF, most recently as the top person on China, although before that he was alsoin charge of missions to do Article IV consultations on the U.S. economy. And Steve Dunaway is also the author of 
 
our newest council special report, which is about the connection between the balance of payments imbalances in theworld, and the financial crisis, and what might be done to reduce those imbalances, which is one issue I think for theG-20 which has been something that should be on the agenda, didn't seem to be so much on the radar screen but hasbecome I think newly topical with the comments today -- or the article published today by Central Bank governorZhou in China. So we'll get to that in a minute.I've also got with me Matthew Slaughter, who's a professor at Dartmouth at Tuck Business School, as well as being anadjunct senior fellow with us. And Matt is one of the prime movers in a group called the Squam Lake Group, which isa group of financial academic economists that have come together to brainstorm about reform of the regulations of finance. And so that is another issue which is sort of on the G-20 agenda and which Matt Slaughter can address. Youcan read the first Squam Lake paper on the systemic risk regulator, which I think is what Tim Geithner was asking forwhen he went to the House just today, and which Barney Frank is keen to give him, sort of the economic logic behindthe systemic risk regulator is described very well in the first Squam Lake paper, which you can find on our website,cfr.org/cgs for Center for Geoeconomic studies. And that's also where you can find Steve Dunaway's council specialreport on global imbalances.So to get to the G-20, it seems like the immediate issues are stimulus, fiscal stimulus; secondly, sort of the immediateefforts to fix the banking system so it can carry on lending; and thirdly, the debate over IMF enlargement. We'rehappy to go into those issues, if you'd like, in the Q&A, which we'll get to without too much Fidel Castro-stylefilibustering. But in the beginning of this, I want to focus on the two sort of areas of expertise of the speakers I havewith me, starting with Steve Dunaway.Steve, you know, you've written this report on how global imbalances lay behind the financial crisis, and now you havethe Chinese themselves who have traditionally thought to be the ones who didn't want to bring this issue up, and in ableak way, kind of making reference to the unhappiness with a system in which the dollar is at the core of the paymentsystem internationally. And you highlight that in your report as well as the contributing factors behind theimbalances. Could you just elaborate on that and tell us what you think of the Chinese idea?STEVEN DUNAWAY: Certainly, Sebastian. You know, in looking at the imbalances, you know, there's a lot of analysis that has been done. And I guess one thing I tried to highlight was a question of how did the imbalances growand persist as long as they did. And there are three features in the international financial system, which contributed tothat, and the first one being the role of the reserve currency, and particularly the dollar as the key reserve currency inthe system, and how that then favors the United States in terms of making it a bit easier and a bit cheaper to finance itscurrent account deficits.A second feature is an asymmetry in adjustment that countries that face upward pressure on their exchange rates don'tface the same kind of pressure to adjust their balance of payments positions. And this is something the Chinese havecertainly taken advantage of in terms of the way they have managed their exchange rate, and it explains the very largebuildup in reserves.Now, the third feature relates more to floating exchange rates and how at times they can provide a kind of shelteringeffect that will delay structural reforms. But, you know, in this question with the Chinese new proposal, to someextent, the Chinese authorities have made these comments before, and expressed this concern about the dollar's roleas a reserve currency. At the same time, they have strongly resisted the idea that their actions with respect tomanaging the Renminbi have been a major contributor to global imbalances. So from that point of view, it's kind of ironic that they see one side of the question but not the other.MALLABY: You mean, they see this side that says because the dollar is the reserve currency, it enables the U.S. to runa persistent balance-of-payments deficit, so that's what they're acknowledging. What they're not acknowledging istheir own role in contributing to the imbalances.
 
 DUNAWAY: Exactly. And some of this concern I guess is over the role of the dollar, some of it is kind of a reflectionof the comments roughly about a week ago by Premier Wen about their concern about the value of their U.S. dollarassets, particularly with the large, large potential issue of new U.S. government debt. But then, you know, there's asimple solution to the problem in terms of they can stop buying U.S. government assets. You know, someone else willstep in and take up the slack. But if they stop buying U.S. dollar assets they then are faced with a situation where theywill not be able to tightly manage the exchange rate between the Renminbi and the dollar, and that clearly has beentheir goal particularly since mid-August, when that exchange rate has been effectively repaid. There's been very littlemovement in it.So on one hand, they want-- in effect guarantee on the value of their U.S. dollar holdings, but on the other hand, theydon't want to do potentially--- in particular increasing the flexibility in the exchange rate, which would eliminate partof the problem in terms of they wouldn't be accumulating as much -- much in terms of foreign exchange reserves. Butit's also an important step for them as well in terms of helping to reorient the Chinese economy away from its currentvery heavy dependence on investment in exports to drive growth.MALLABY: So I guess one question about this comment today, this article that they've published on the CentralBank website, is whether to view it as an encouraging sign that the issue of sort of imbalances and the -- you know,that the Chinese are at last recognizing that the status quo is unsustainable, and therefore they're coming up withsomewhat out-of-the-box proposals, like a new reserve currency managed by the IMF. So whether or not such areserve currency could possibly function, the fact that the Chinese even raise the issue is perhaps indicative of -- thatthey see that the problem that the status quo can't work indefinitely.DUNAWAY: Well, that would be very encouraging if that's the case, that they see this as a first step in terms of tryingto improve some of these potential faults in the international financial system to help in this process of addressing theglobal imbalances. Now, we'll have to wait and see. I guess a key part of it will be what comes out in terms of thestatement that comes out of the summit. In the November summit it was quite surprising that there was no mentionof the global imbalances, a very oblique suggestion about global imbalances playing -- this playing a role in thesituation. And by all accounts, the reason was resistance by the Chinese, that they did not want an explicit reference toglobal imbalances in the statement, again, because they were maintaining this position, and they continued, at least upto now, maintaining the position that this is a problem that was created by the advanced countries and not a problemcreated by the emerging markets, in particular, by policies in China.MALLABY: They may have been resisting acknowledgment of a problem that in his recent speech at the Council onForeign Relations, Ben Bernanke said, you know, was kind of at the core of the whole crisis, which is why I think yourreport provides the analysis and explains why the argument matters at a time when most governments in deference toChina are not willing to make that argument.I want to switch a bit now to talk to Matt Slaughter a bit about the financial regulation questions, which, again, arevery much to befall with the discussion of the systemic risk regulator. Matt, your first paper sort of speaks to that abit. Can you just outline the argument as to why there is a market failure, why government needs to think about thefinancial system beyond the sort of traditional regulating institution one at a time that we've had -- (inaudible).MATTHEW J. SLAUGHTER: Sure. I'd be happy to, Sebastian. I think one of the insights of our Squam LakeWorking Group on this first issue of kind of the systemic regulator is the basic issue of information. I think in theUnited States, one of the challenges right now is a lot of the regulatory agencies are, in law and in practice set up tomonitor individual financial institutions. So there's different -- as lots of us know, different institutions that focus ondifferent parts of the financial system: commercial banks, bank holding companies -- (inaudible) -- and so forth.
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