Climate change is real. The scientists tell us it is real. We need a market-basedmechanism to deliver that change. That's my position. That's always been myposition.Labor has to be prepared to argue out our case. Argue it out consistently.Consistently to our supporters, but also to those who are not our supporters. Toembrace that change, to be prepared to go on and debate, as I have on threeoccasions, Andrew Bolt about climate change. Let's have the debate.
So you won’t respect Mr Abbott’s mandate?
Which one is that, Paul? Which one is that? Mr Abbott had a mandatein 2007 of supporting a CPRS. He went to an election with the Shergold report. Allparties were elected in 2007, when we came to government, on the basis of putting aprice on carbon.
Your opponent in the leadership ballot has a reputation for pragmatism. Are you concerned that he may not defend Labor's mandate on carbonpricing? Second question, what do you say to people who regard you as tooaggressive and too progressive to be Labor's leader at this time?
Well, surely you don't think that Katherine, because you know it's nottrue.Bill has made his position very clear. His position, I think, is exactly the same asmine on the carbon price question.With regard to the Parliament, can I say this: talk to Tony Windsor, talk to RobOakeshott, talk to Bob Katter, talk to a range of people who I was prepared to sitdown and discuss issues with in order to secure passage of legislation. It didn't justhappen. There were others as well, of course, particularly Julia Gillard and JoelFitzgibbon.But I think I have a proven track record of being able to negotiate and gainconsensus, not just within my party, but also much broader.I come here as someone with 17 years in a public office. I think one of the things thatI bring to the leadership is that I have had time in Opposition. I know what it is likeand what has to be done. I was the Manager of Opposition Business in the periodthat led to our victory in 2007. That experience I think does count.That experience I think will assist if I'm given the honour of being the Leader of theLabor Party.
Given you and Mr Shorten are pretty much lock step on policy, thereis little policy differentiation, do you see that as your main advantage over him – justexperience and longevity in Parliament?