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THE
WHITE
HOUSE
Office
of the
Press SecretaryInternal Transcript December
5,
2002INTERVIEW OF THE VICE PRESIDENTBYCALTHOMAS OF FOX NEWS
Vice
President's Ceremonial Office
Eisenhower
Executive Office
Building
11:32
A.M.
EST
Q Mr. Vice President, thank you for joining me on
the
premier
of our
show.
THE VICE
PRESIDENT:
It's
good
to be
here,Cal.
Q
In a speech this week to National Guardsmen andwomen, you said, we will out-think the terrorists, out-plan
the
terrorists, out-fight the terrorists. Can you give me
some
specifics without compromisinganysecurityas to how
we're
doing that, especially domestically?
THE
VICE PRESIDENT:
Sure.Well,Ithinkif youlook
at
the efforts we've made to
date,
I would point, in terms
of
success,
to our
ability
to
disrupt
al
Qaeda organizations
--
the cell that we
wrapped
up in Buffalo, half a dozenindividuals, and another one that they were connected with,another individual they were connected with who was in Yemen
and
apparently killedat thetime that al-Harithiwaskilled
in
Yemen.
We've
wrapped-np
a group in Portland, fourindividuals
up
there that
we
think were also
planning
activities.
Sowe've
been
abletodisrupt operations here
in
the United
States.
We've
also been able to capture overseas keyindividuals,
key
operational figures.
The
people like
Abu
Zubeyda and others who have been significant players;
Ramzibin al-Shiebh, who was
MohammadAtta'sroom mate,
the guy
who led the attack on September
llth,
lived with him inHamburg
and was a key
planner,
we
wrapped
him up
here
not
long ago in
Karachi.
So
the activities of law enforcement, of our
intelligence
efforts, working jointly especially with other
countries, in
addition
to
what
the
public sees with respect
to
the military, I think, have been very successful. Does
it
mean there won't be any more attacks? No, it doesn't; wecan't
say
that.
But we
have
a
very,
very aggressive
program
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underwaytodisrupt their organizations,toarrestanddetain
bad
guys,
to
interfere with
the
flow
of
funds
and tofind
them wherever
they're
located and put them out ofbusiness.
Q
We
constantly hear warnings from Republicans
and
Democrats in the Senate Intelligence Committee that another
attack
is inevitable. If you had to characterize whetherwe're less vulnerable, as vulnerable, or more vulnerable toterrorist attacks since 9/11, how would you characterize
it?
THEVICE PRESIDENT:
I think we're less vulnerable inthe sense that
we
know
a lot
more
now
about
the
enemy
and
that
we
have
we've eliminated some
of
them, taken them
off
the
street,
if you will. I think
we're
a tougher targetnow than we
were
on 9/11. That is to say, the measures thatwe've taken here at home again aren't likely to be perfect -
-
thereis noperfect defense against something like this.
The
best defense
is to go on
offense
and to
eliminate
the
terrorists.
But we
have made ourselves here
in the
U.S.
I
think more secure.Everybody is on alert now. We've worked
hard_to
trainpeople
to do a
better
job of
responding
to
these kinds
ofincidents
and intercept them, or the enactment of thePresident's proposalof the
Office
ofHomeland Security
will
take
us a
long
way
towards consolidating federal agencies
\d
getting cooperation
and
having accountability
at the
I
federal level that
we've
never
had
before.We'vehadcloseto 100agencies thathad apieceof the
action
with respect to defending the homeland. And now, as
a
result
of the
enactment
of the
legislation,
the
President
has got the
authority
to -- the
biggest reorganization since
the
Defense Department
was put
together
in
1947,
and
it_will
take
us alongwaytowards making
us'a
tougher target.
So
I
think
the
problem
for the
terrorists trying
to get
at
ustodayistougher thanit was on9/11.On theotherhand, we
know
a lot more about them, too. We
know_that
we've uncovered cells,
al
Qaeda cells in Germany, inEngland, in Spain, Italy, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore,
the
Philippines. It's
a
worldwide organization.
And
they
are
out there doing everything they can to try to findadditional
ways
tokill Americansand ourfriendsandalliesaround the world.
We've
seen the recent attack in Kenya, the attack in
Bali.
So
it's
going to be a continuing problem. We need tothink about it as a war, because
that's
what it is. It's
almost
aguerrillawar in asense,and itwill takeus a
long
time to eliminate that threat, but we will eliminate
it.
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Q
Shouldwe beworriedas we flyabout these
surface-to-air
missiles?
We saw the
attack
--
which
missed,
thankfully
-- on
that Israeli charter
in
Africa.
Is
that
adomestic
concern right now to you?
THE
VICE
PRESIDENT:
It's
less
of a
concern
domestically
than
it is, I
think, overseas, just because
it
would be tougher, I think, for somebody to mount that kind
of
attack here
at
home.
But
clearly
it's
demonstrated
--
it's
been demonstrated that they can use those systems thatwere designed
for
military purposes
and
used extensively,
for
example,
in
Afghanistan against
the
Soviets
by the
Afghan Mujahideen back
in the
'80s,
that they
can use
thosesystems against civilian
airliners,
as well.
We
need
to
work
to do
everything
we can to
secure
our
airports,
to
again
be
vigilant
and be
alert,
so
that
no one
is
able to use that
kind
of
shoulder-fired
missile against
an aircraft. But the
most worrisome problem would
be, as wesaw in
Mombasa,
at
foreign airports where controls aren't
as
good and security
isn't
as tight and where there are greatervulnerabilities.
Q
What
do you
make
of
remarks
by
Al
Gore
and
SenatorDaschle that conservative talk radio, conservativenewspapers and the Fox News Channel are responsible for theDemocrat loss
in the
last election
and the
inability
of
Democrats
to get
their message out?
THE
VICE PRESIDENT:
Well,
I
have mixed feelings about
it,
I
guess,
Cal.
Frankly,
to
have them
worried
about
you
and
blaming
the Fox
News network
or
conservativecommentators for their problems, in a sense, is sort of ablessing
for us,
be_cause
that means
they're
not
focused
onthe
real problem, which
is
their message
and the
fact
thatthey didn't offeranyideas, they didn't haveaprogram.They've been pretty good at criticizing theadministration overtheyears, but, obviously,theAmericanpeople aren't buying it. But as long as they're worriedabout you and focusing their criticism and their ire on you,instead of looking at their own internal problems and
difficulties,
that's probably an advantage for we
Republicans.
Q
And on that note,
we'll
take a brief break, Mr.
Vice
President, and
when
we come back, we'll get personal.
THE
VICE PRESIDENT:
Okay.
(Pause.)
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