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*All of s1r9a9m9 posted messages on egaspower yahoo group*-----------Date: Tue May 31, 2005 4:39 amSubject: Water powered cars. s1r9a9m9Message 1277I have studied the use of water as a fuel for a long time and cameup with the idea that why seperate the H & O before it goes into theengine . I experamented with this for about a year and finaly cameacross the right mixture of timimg , water flow into each clyender ,and the power input to each sprak plug . The hard part was thevoltage to the sparke plugs , I found that a voltage of 20 amps @110 volts will not burn the plugs out as fast as a higher voltage.The water flow is just a little more than gasoline . the timingneeds to be retarted by 35 degrees . I used a chevy 350 engine in a78 elcameno , replaced the fuel tank with a heat resistant watertank , I ran the exhaust into the water tank to retrieve the water touse again and again . I use two auto batteries with a 700 watt ACinverter to charge the electronic distrubitor box , the stockdistrubitor sends its current to the new box where it opens a relaythat sends the current to the sparke plugs . The alternator is astock 95 amp 12 volt . It runs quit and milage has improved from 28miles per gallon of gas to 300 miles to a gallon of water. The onlytime water is lost is through the heat vent on top of the watertank . I have put about 30,000 miles on the vehicle after I changeit over to water . I also tryed to brake the water tension by addinga detergent , This did not help the preformance of the vehicle or themilage . No additives are needed for this method . Some people haveask if I would change their vehicles over to water but I think if Itake off the governments smog controls I would face some type ofcharges some how or other . My 78 chevy did not have all the milagerobbing stuff on it as later model cas do . I did tell them I wouldshow them how to do it them selves and supervise them . Thepreformance of the engine improved a good deal , it runs cooler anddoes not use oil now . ( no oil in the water tank ),. If you havequestions e-mail me or post it here .----------------------------------------Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 6:06 amSubject: 1277 Gas Powered cars s1r9a9m9Message 1302 "Hi again" . There are no plans , no blue prints , and every carwill set up differntly . The reason for the good milage is the factthat the water is returned to the tank after it is use in the enginethe first time . All in all it would take a water tank of 100gallons to go the 300 miles if it was not reclamed to the tank . Iwill try to put together a list of stuff that I used in my vehicleand post it here . Small engines will need a lot of changes tothem , the timing is normally on the crank shaft and flywheelsucured by a fixed pin placement , this pin will have to be move sothe timing can be changed , dont sound hard but it is , new groveswould have to be cut in the flywheel to the point where the timingwould be set . Thats just to get it to fire in the right spot .There is more you would have to do to get it right . A car engineof any size will work better because the timing can be changed

without any new parts added or changed. My conscept idea wasbased on what I saw one time when I was cleaning up around my shop .On my old shop table I had a old metal can with water in it , I hada electrical outlet hooked to a light switch , I had a test wire runfor another project I had been working on and just tossed the wire tothe side , the switch was left on for some reason and when the wirescame in contact with the water and metal it sounded like dynomitegoing off . Just for the experance of a test I repeated this butthis time I set the wires in the can and then turned on the power .The results were the same loud bang . I then set a heavy board (3lbs.) on top of the can and did it again , same bang but the boardhit the ceiling 12 feet up . Thats where I came up with my idea toadd more power to the spark plugs on a car and see what would happen .I too have a 79 ford wagon with a 302 engine , the problem herewould be the type of carborater it uses . they say you cant put anolder model carb on this engine because it seats defferently thanolder ones. some thing to do with the computer too. I did put awater injecter on it and reset the timing , bought a mdi hot coiland adjusted the timing where it would run . I think it emprovedthe milage from 22 mpg up to 45 mpg . not sure on that , thehumidity changes to often to tell much .As I said I will make a list of stuff I used and post here and tryto put it in the files area . I realy did not take photos or keepany records of what I did but I'll try to explane what I can as Ican .Thanks,-------------------------------------------Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 6:16 amSubject: Re: Water powered cars. s1r9a9m9Message 1303On your small engine it would be best to use a seperator and burnit as hydrogen would be . you will need a adapter for the changeover a propane adapter will work but it cost alot of money . Notsure how you can change the air fuel mix ratio with out an adapter .-------------------------------------------Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 6:29 amSubject: Re: Sparks Under Water? s1r9a9m9Message 1304Have you researched the art of welding under water . This seems tobe the best place to look for arcs or sparks under water .-------------------------------------------Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 7:57 amSubject: Re: Water powered cars. s1r9a9m9Message 1331DID YOU MISS THE PART ABOUT THE OTHER FIRING BOX ? So I have

a one of a kind vehicle ? The electronics in the second box doesthe firing of the plugs . The inverter only supplies a constantcurrent to the box . If you dont think it can be then you willnever apply hands on experance to your life . I have worked on carsscense I was 7 years old and now I am 47 years old . I take it youhave the same experance in trying to debunk others just because youhave nothing better to do ..... I know cars and yes I have amechanical engineering degree . And I will not submit to any testyou may want me to take just to hype up your drowned dreams oflife . People like you just take up space on these descussiongroups . -------------------------------------------Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 8:17 amSubject: Re: Water powered cars. s1r9a9m9Message 1332The battiers are 1250 cold cranking amps each . The inverterdoes not send out the maximum watts that it is rated at to make theplugs fire . If you need precise data then you need to research theproject and write your paper . I put this thing together and madeit work I did not write down any data or hire some expert to lookover my shoulder to still what they could . I am working on writingdown the stuff I used on the car to make it work . But the more Iread from some of you the less I think that you would put hands onwork into changing a vehicle over . I will post the page when Ifinish but this spot data placement is bothersome . -------------------------------------------Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 8:29 amSubject: Re: Water Powered Car s1r9a9m9Message 1333I want to thank you for your post . I do have a spark knocksound when I first start the car . Maybe a preheater hooked up to atempature sensor to cut it off when it reaches a running tempature inthe intake . I have the stock breather with the exhaust heatexchanger pipe to help keep the intake air flow warmer . I keep thevehicle inside the garage so it stay's about 70 inside . I'll makea design and try it next week .Thanks, -------------------------------------------Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 8:56 amSubject: Re: Water powered cars. s1r9a9m9Message 1334The water is reclamed through the exhaust to the fuel tank thisalso helps keep the water warmer , In turn water vapor is lostthrough the heat release vent on the tank . To my gustament it losesabout a gallon of water every 300 miles through the vent . Ididn't keep records or photos on the project , but I am working on alist of stuff I used on the car .-------------------------------------------Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:18 amSubject: water powered car 2 s1r9a9m9

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