From: Tony Cullen <anthocul@sympatico.ca> Date: January 2, 2009 8:22:42 PM GMT\u00ad05:00 To: Tony Cullen <anthocul@sympatico.ca>

Used as a verb this could imply that the carnal Jesus was created but the Word
that was implanted in Him is His Son, it is now that Jesus becomes the Son of God
or the Word that was made flesh. Jesus was not with Christ/Word at the very
beginning doing the creating, it was the Word. But now with the Word being made
flesh He automatically assumes that role.

This is that same Word/Wisdom/Christ/Son that was with God from the beginning, (Pro 8). He was not created and this is many millennia before Jesus' time that John is speaking of here -- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,

and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."(Joh 1:1,2). "....A voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him." (Mat17:5) & (Mar 9:7).

This tells me that Jesus Christ was a sort of dual personality, the same as we are
now, the carnal with the Spirit of Christ in us. We have been created by God
because He is the only One who can accomplish that feat, but Christ who is in us
is a free gift from God, He was not created, He is the essence of the Father. The
only difference being that it was the Word/Son that the Holy Spirit implanted in
Jesus at conception.

It's very difficult to explain on paper so I hope I am getting my point over to you
and deeply regret being such a bore.
Peace!

Maybe you can throw some light on the subject. Was the Word a creation of God the Father or
is He an inherent part of the Father, the Son in the Father's bosom, from the very beginning
and who was only given birth to or brought forth for the purpose of Creation?

Hi R____,
Thank you for your question.
The scriptures teach that it was the "spirit of Christ" that was with the Old Testament prophets.

Christ is "of God" but He was obviously "of God" long before He came to this earth as flesh. That is why we are told that "He emptied Himself" of the glory He had with His Father "before the world was."

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible
and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things
were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from
the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

We are not told that 'Christ is the invisible God,' but that Christ "is the image of the invisible God... for it pleased the Father [the invisible God] that in Christ should all fulness dwell." So the Father makes the decisions and the Son implements them as would any obedient Eve who came out from her Adam. It is the marriage union that reveals to us the "invisible things of God, even His eternal power and God head."