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2.
השעמל
- The
"
מ
 says if we think the
"
 שר
 is the best
טשפ
 then we just have to see whether anyone else in the world is
טחוס
 this fruit. NOWADAYS
everything is done somewhere in the world and because of this Rebbe thinks there is no way anyone can squeeze anything!
1
 3. While we are up the creek with most fruits, lemons may be ok. The
ש
"
 ר
 
תו ושת
 says lemons are like
ןידרזוע
 and one may squeeze them because no one does. A.
י
"
 
320- People get a lot of lemons and make it with water and sugar and sell it. Now that people do this we may have to
רוס
it. Things have changed since the
ש
"
 ר
. a.
י
"
 
- However it is still possible that we can be
ריתמ
 lemon juice because it is not a real
הקשמ
. No one would ever have it alone. b.
י
"
 
- The way they make the lemon juice is that they pour it straight into a huge barrel of water and it is
לט
to the water. c.
Because of these reasons the
ע
"
ש
320:6 just says
רתומוחסלנומיל
"
.
B.
םד ייח
 in
הכלה
 
רו י
- Nowadays there are many barrels of lemon juice collected alone that they use for punch. Now the
ןיד
 would depend on which reason of the
י
"
 
is the
רקיע
. If he was
ריתמ
 because it is mixed in, this case where it is collected alone would be an issue. However if the
רתיה
 was because it is not a
הקשמ
, this would be no different.
He says we should be
ששוח
 for this.
a.
םד יח
- Lemons nowadays would be an issue
תיירו ד
. He holds like
י
"
שר
 that all a
והני שח
issue so it would be an issue. b.
הכלה
 
רו י
-
השעמל
 be careful and try to not squeeze lemons nowadays.
III. We just focused on the
ןנ רד
 
יניד
 but now we need to look at the
תיירו ד
 
יניד
.
The
רמג
145a says
רמ רייח ש מ ר
:
 דרותני ייחל עסירדיתיזי נעו ל
.
כונת דשנמ
:
 דרותני ייחל עסירדיתיז םי נעו ל
 תיירו דמ
 one is only
ייח
 for
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
. 1. The
רמג
 says this
ןיד
 is
הרות
 
ר ד
. If so, we need a
רוקמ
: A.
י
"
שר
145a-
 רמולכ
:
רס רותכ למכירדויתיזי נעווהיוהדכ למ
,
 שוכירד להייחרו כה
,
 לוכ למוהנינ
…To be
ייח
 on a
תיירו ד
 level there needs to be
הכ למ
 in a normal way.
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 are
ו
הייחר
 but other fruits are not so it is
די
 
רח לכ
 and not
תיירו ד
.
a. Maybe
י
"
שר
 is saying this is not a normal
די
 
רח לכ
 and since it is
והייחרו ו ל
 it could be that it is not considered a
הקשמ
.
 
B.
רשפ
that
טשפ
 could be something different.
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 are different in the Halachic world as we know from
תויגוס
 in
ה מוט
,
הלרע
,
תומורת
 and
תוכר
. They are unique because they are the only ones called
ןיקשמ
. This is clear in
תוכר
where other liquids are referred to as
העיז
 and
1
 
םד ייח
 says in his day one may not be
טחוס
 apples or pairs or oranges
 
not
ןיקשמ
. Thus, we can explain that
תוריפ
 
תטיחס
 is
רוס
on
ת ש
 because it took place in the
ןכשמ
. In the
ןכשמ
 they had the
תוחנמ
 which used
ןמש
 and the
ןייה
 
ךוסינ
 which used wine so only those would be real
תו
and
ויחתיירו ד
2
.
2.
רמג
145a- The
רמג
 had a
תקולחמ
 with about what the
ןיד
 is if one squeezes pickles
ןהימימל
 whether it is
רוטפרוס ל
(
 ר
 and
ל ומש
) or
ת טח
 
ייח
 (
ןנחוי
 '
ר
). Everyone agrees when it is done
ןפוגל
 it would be
רתומ
 because it is being done
דו י ל
 (
וייע
 last
היגוס
). A. We had a big
תקולחמ
 about
היל
 
חינ
 
לד
 
שיר
 
קיספ
 (
ןייע
 Summary#6) between
'
סות
 and the
ךורע
.
'
סות
 holds there is still a
ןנ רד
 
רוסי
and the
ךורע
 holds it is
הליחתכל
 
רתומ
.
'
סות
 in
תו ותכ
6a asks from this
רמג
 that when squeezing
ןפוגל
 you will still end up with a cup of pickle juice. This is a clear
שיר
 
קיספהיל
 
חינ
 
לד
 and we say it is
רתומ
! The
ךורע
 seems to be right! a.
'
סות
 had a question from
הכוס
33 which said it is
רתומ
 to pluck berries from
םיסדה
 because you had other
םיסדה
. This seems to be a
היל
 
חינ
 
לד
 
שיר
 
קיספ
 which is
רתומ
!
'
סות
 answered that the
רמג
 is discussing a
ןנ רד
 issue and when
ןנ רד
 even
'
סות
 agrees that it is
רתומ
. . This is tough to say because only according to
ר
 is it
ןנ רד
 but according to
ןנחוי
 '
ר
 it is
תיירו ד
.
3. Let's look a little deeper into this
תקולחמ
 with
ר
 who says
ןהימימל
 would be
רוס ל רוטפ
 and
'
רןנחוי
 who says it would be a
תיירו ד
 issue: A.
'
סות
145a-
רימעטלמ דמקל דרותני ייחל עכירדיתיזי נעו
…This
תקולחמ
 is
ותטישל
.
ר
 is the one who said
ד ל םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 
תסירד
 
לע
 
ל ייח
 
וני הרות
 
ר ד
, so it makes sense that he would say that pickles would not be a
תיירו ד
 issue.
ןנחוי
 '
ר
 is now disagreeing on both levels. Squeezing pickles
ןהימימל
 is a
תיירו ד
 issue because
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 are not the only issues on a
תיירו ד
 level. a.
ף
"
יר
61a-
תילותכלהכ
'
נחויינעלויח טחוהדילר ומשודח תטישכילדויח טחל יתיז םי נעווהויל
'
נחוייחיי ויר דשח וקמ ינשועוהנתד דשנמייסמהלמ ד דרותני ייחל לעכירדיתיזי נעו ל ר תסמולתכלהדיתווכ ומשדה תלימ קד
'
נחוייתווכינעלוסי כילוהייני תגולפל ינעלויח טח
…The
ף
"
יר
 says we hold like
ר
 and
ל ומש
. One of the reason he gives is because
השנמ
 
י ד
 
נת
 supported the
הטיש
 that
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 are the only issue
תיירו ד
.
We see that the pickle
היגוס
 and the statement about
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 are very much connected
. B.
ח
"
ר
145a- Based on his
ןושל
 it seems to be clear that there is no connection within these 2
תויגוס
. It is possible to hold only
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 and to hold like
ןנחוי
 '
ר
 that pickles done
ןהימימל
 can be an issue
תיירו ד
.
The
תויגוס
 are not connected at all
. a. To fully understand this
הטיש
 we have to see why
השנמ
 
י ד
 
נת
 said only
םי נעו
 
םיתיז
 would be
תיירו דמ
 
ייח
.
2
 This is assuming that we hold of the definition of
י ה
 '
ר
 of
תו
in the
ןכשמ
.
י ה
 '
ר
 says any maintaining or
הדו ע
 in the
ןכשמ
 is included in the
תו
.
י
"
שר
 disagrees, only the construction of the
ןכשמ
 is included in the
תו
.

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