MemorandumfortheRecordEvent:InterviewofSSAAdamDruckerTypeofEvent:On-the-RecordInterviewDateofinterview:1/12/04Datemem
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prepared:1/13-I5/04SpecialAccessIssues:NonePreparedby:DougGreenburgTeamNumber:4Location:SIOCconferenceroom,FBIHQClassification:Secr.etlNofomiasindicatedbyparagraph)Present,non-Commission:
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ofinterview),AdamDruckerParticipants-Commission:DougGreenburgandSerenaWilleOnJanuary12,weinterviewedFBISSAAdamDruckerforapproximately4hours.providesasummaryofthemostimportantpointscoveredintheinterview,butisnotaverbatimaccount.Thememorandumisorganizedbysubjectanddoesnotnecessarilyfollowtheorderoftheinterview.Thewitnessprovided
all
oftheinformationinthismemorandumduringtheinterview,exceptwherenotedbysquarebrackets.(U)BackgroundDruckersaidhehasaB.S.inmanagementandanMBAfromRPI.Heworked1991-95withtheDepartmentofLaborinthePensionBenefitsandWelfarearea,focusingonERISAenforcement.HejoinedtheFBIin1995andworkedbankfraudcasesinNewYorkforsixyears.Aboutaweekafter9/Il,hejoinedthePenttbomteamandrelocatedwithittotheDCareainApril2002.InFebruary2003,DruckerjoinedTFOS,RadicalFundamentalistFinancialInvestigativeUnitI,whichfocusesonthecoreofAIQaedaand
JI.
HeservedasactingchiefoftheUnitfromApril2003-December2Q~3;~llC;~~djnrRQanFilbert.InDecember2003,AndyBingamtom(ph),fonn.erlythe~ecamethenewchiefofFlUDruckerhascontinuedwithFlUIasan~ruckersaidhisinitialrolewithPenttbomconsistedofcoordinatingandsynthesizingallofthefinancialinvestigationbeingdoneineachfieldoffice.Hemergedtheworkproductfromeachofficeintoaspreadsheet,whichevolvedintotheinitialtimelineoftheattack.WhentheteamcametoDCtopreparefortheMoussaouitrial,Druckerwasresponsibleforthefinancialportionofthecase,whichincludedtheentire9/1Ifinancialstory.Ultimately,Druckercametoknowtheplotaswellasanyonebecausethefinancialstorywovetheentireplottogether,whilemostofthePenttbomteamwasassignedtoaspecificflightorothersub-partoftheoverallplot.Asaresult,hehasbecomeoneoftheprimaryplotbriefers.[Druckerplainlyhastremendousknowledgeoftheplotfinancingdetailsandwasgenerallyknowledgeableaboutnearlyeveryplot
fiCRET/N6fafft
detailweaskedabout.Wehelpedhimpreparebyprovidingmanyofthedetailedquestionsinadvanceoftheinterview.Healsoregularlyreadsthedetaineereportsastheyrelatetotheplot.](U)Druckersaidhewasnotattachedtothe
FRG~
Hesaid
Penttbom
didtherealfinancialinvestigationon9/1].TheFRGwasprimarilyinvolvedwithputtinginformationintotheRAIDdatabaseanddevelopinglinkcharts.(U)Druckersaidthatinpreparingforourinterviewherealizedthefinancialspreadsheetneeded
a
littlecleaningup,whichhesaidhe
was
workingon.
He
saidthenewversionshouldbeavailableinacoupleofweeks.(U)
Plot
FinancingDruckersaidhewouldestimatethetotaloperationalcostoftheplotoncethehijackerscametotheU.S.as
$280,000-$300,000.
Hesaidthisfigureincludestheapproximately
$36,000
thehijackershadleftoverandreturned(orattemptedtoreturn)toAI-Hawsawi.Theactualamountshouldbereducedaccordingly.Druckersaidtheexact
amountof
funds
thehijackersreceivedcannotbecalculatedwithcertainty
because
it
isimpossibletotellwhethersomecashdepositsresultedfromthere-circulationoffunds,i.e.thedepositofcashpreviouslywithdrawn.(U)DruckersaidthatheisconfidenttheamountoffundstheFBIhasdocumentedthehijackersreceivedcoveredalloftheirexpenses.Infact,hesaidthechallengehasbeentoidentifywhattheydidwiththemoney.Theyseemtohavereceivedmorethantheyspentinthatcertainwithdrawalshavenotbeenaccountedfor.Hesaidhisteamcangenerateabreakdownofthehijackers'expensesbycategory(flighttraining,livingexpenses,surveillanceflightsetc.),whichhe
will
havedoneandprovidetous.HesaidFROhaddonesomepiechartsalongtheseJines,whichremainprettyaccurate.(U)DruckersaidhisfigureincludesonlytheoperationalexpensesforeachhijackerafterhearrivedintheU.S.doesnotincludethelivingexpensesofthehijackersbeforetheyarrived,thetravelofthehijackerstoAfghanistan,orothertravelinaidoftheplotbeforetheyarrived(suchasanytravelbyAI-MihdharandNawafAl-HazrniinfurtheranceofgettingU.S.visasinSpringI999).ItalsoexcludesthetravelofthehijackerstotheU.S.,exceptinacouplecases,
e.g.,
Atta,wheretheexpenseofthattravelisknown.ItdoesincludetravelbythehijackersfromtheU.S.toothercountriesoncetheywereheretopursuetheplot,atleastwherethattravelwaspaidforoutoftheirU.S.accounts:(U)WeaskedDruckertoassessFBIAssistantDirectorPistole'sstatementthat"the9/11hijackersutilizedslightlyover
$300,000
throughformalbankingchannelstofacilitatetheirtimeintheU.S.Weassesstheyusedanother
$200-$300,000
incashtopayforlivingexpenses..."SenateCommitteeonBanking,Housing,andUrbanAffairs,September25,2003,FDCHPoliticalTranscriptsatpage5.HesaidPistolewassimplyincorrect.Thehijackersdidnotusesignificantfundsoutsidethe
$300,000
ofwhichwe2
areaware.Moreover,theFBIissatisfiedthatthehijackers'expendituresdonotexceedtheamountsthehijackersareknowntohavereceived.(U)Druckersaidhisfigureexcludesthecostoffacilitatorsotherthanthehijackers.Thus,no"overhead"hasbeenapportionedforKSM,Binalshibhoranyoneelse.Inthisregard,hesaidKSMwasworkingon2-3otherplots,so
it
wouldbedifficulttoapportionhiscostsamongthem.DruckersaidAbdulAzizAlilivedandworkedinPakistanforyearsbeforehisrolebegan,sononeofhislivingexpenseswereconsideredpartoftheplot.Druckersaidhegenerallydeemedexpensestobeplotrelatediftheywouldnothavebeenincurredbutfortheplot.(U)DruckersaidMustafaAI-HawsawididtraveltoUAEandincurexpensesinfurtheranceoftheplot.HesaidAJ-Hawsawi'stravelandlivingcostsarequantifiable,andhe
will
quantifythemandprovidetheinformationtous.Thesecostsshouldbeconsideredlotcosts.DruckersaidAI-HawsawidcenteDruckersaidthereisnoevidencethatAIQaedaprovidedanyfundstoanyhijackersbeforeAl-MihdharandAl-HazmicametotheU.S.inJanuary2000[otherthanthefundstheyreceived].(U).Overall,Druckersaidthehijackerslivedprettyfrugally,althoughtheycouldhavebeenmorefrugalinsomerespects.(U)
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