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03-07-2013, 03:17 PM
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Nhng trng hp c ch automatic exposure ( AE) ca my khng ng v cch khc phc: 1. Trng hp AE ng: Khi cnh c hay gn cc thang xm, cng nh sng trung bnh o c s trng vi cng nh sng phn x ca thang middle gray. nh s correct exposure. ( Tng t nh mt hc sinh hc lc trung bnh, im s hng ngy c im 1,2.. 6,7... th im trung bnh hc k khong 5 hay 4,5 g ). 2. Trng hp cnh qu sng: Nh cnh bin, ct trng ... chng hn. Cnh thiu cc thang xm thp , nh cc thang 28, 78 ... cng nh sng trung bnh o c s ln hn cng nh sng phn x ca thang middle gray 128, m gn nh l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 178 hay thang xm 228. ( Tng t nh mt hc sinh hc lc kh, im s hng ngy thng l.. 6,7, 8... th im trung bnh hc k s ln hn 5, l 7,8 chng hn ). AE ca my mc nhin nhn ci cng sng ln nh cng sng phn x ca thang xm 128 ( thc t nh hn ), ri a ra mt quyt nh sai EV=0 , v d f/4, 1/ 125s chng hn ... Chng ta th on xem nh s nh th no? Ti hn hay sng hn thc t? Cc nh sn xut my nh qu hiu h thng AE ca mnh c hn ch no, nn h d tr trc cch khc phc, c th l cch chnh EV. V my khng t iu chnh c, nn vi kinh nghim ca bn , bn phi t chnh thi. C th l: Bn phi phng on hoc bn phi bit r, cng sng trung bnh my o c l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 178 chng hn. Nu vy , my cho bn cng c khc phc ri, Bn hy tng s l sng, tng EV ln +1, v d f/4, 1/60s ( cc bn ch s thay i ca shutter speed ). Bn v my ang correct exposure cho thang xm 178 . Chp th, ng sng khng? ng sng ngha l bn x l tt. Nu nh vn ti, th cng sng trung bnh my o c c th l cng sng phn x ca cc thang xm cao hn thang xm 178, hy chnh EV ln +1 1/3, +1 2/3 hay +2 ( cho thang xm 228). Nu nh hi qu sng th bn lm ngc li, chnh EV + 2/3. 3. Trng hp cnh thiu sng: Bn hy suy ngh v x l ngc li vi nhng g trnh by mc 2 l xong. V d: ... thiu thang xm cao.... nh hn...(... hc sinh km...) Phng on ... thang xm 78... gim s l sng gim EV -1,nh f/4, 1/250s ....vn ....vn..

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Ch ng , ch ng, khng phng on g c. Khng cn k ht v s cc trng hp h thng AE ca my nh hot ng khng ng. Trong tt c cc trng hp , iu ct yu l

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Bn on hoc bit r cng sng trung bnh my o c chnh xc l cng sng phn x ca thang xm no. Cn vic x l hon ton ty Bn , ty s sng to ,ty ngh thut ca ring Bn. Trong thc t, khng ai lm ci vic phng on m mm theo nguyn l TH SAI nh ti trnh by phn trn. Chng ta ch lm ci mt v correct exposure lun. S trnh by tip...

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Sau khi di dng, dng di v cc khi nim thang xm, tnh phn x nh sng ca cc thang xm, v nguyn tc hot ng ca h thng AE my nh, u im v hn ch ca h thng ny. Hiu n, th s dng n ch ng hn, bi bn v sng to hn. By gi l nhng chuyn thit thc, lm th no trong phn ln hon cnh, chp mt pht l nh correct exposure lun 1. Zone System: By gi cc bn nhn li Zone System Chart trong bi vit ca Bc ATKINSON, ti ni thang xm 28 l ni ti Zone III ca Bc AT, thang xm78 l ZoneIV , thang xm128 middle gray l zoneV, thang xm 178 l ZoneVI, thang 228 l Zone VII...vi my nh s hin nayth ch trong vng my zone thi. Thc t, mi cnh u c nhng vng thuc zone ny hay zone kia (hay thang xm); cnh no y cc zone th c ch auto m chp; cnh no thiu nhiu zone th h thng AE ca my s chi vi. V d: Grey card chc chn l thuc zoneV. C,l cy xanh thuc zone IV hay xm 78. Ci khn mt mu vng l zone VI, xm 178. My trng, khi, sng m l zone VII , xm 228. Ni nh th l nhiu cm tnh, chng ta phi kim tra , v c v s sc xanh l cy hay vng ...Nhng chc chn l th vi cht iu chnh. 2. Correct Exposure: By gi ta chuyn sang chp ch M( Manual) v o sng ch Spot Metering Khi ta o sng theo ch spot metering v vng xm ph ht vng trn o sng, th chc chn cng sng trung bnh my o c l cng sng phn x ca chnh thang xm , ca chnh zone .( ging nh im hng ngy ton l im 7 th im trung bnh cng ch c th l 7 m thi). V d : o sng vo zone VI, th cng sng trung bnh my o c chnh l cng sng phn x t vt xm thuc thang 178. Khng ln tn g na. Vy l ngon qu phi khng Bn? bit chc chn nh vy, th vic chnh correct exposure qu d dng V d dng grey card, t grey card vo v tr nh chp, sao cho mu xm ca n chon y vng trn o , o sng vi EV=0 , nhng gi tr Av, Tv nhn c s khng thay i khi ta ly nt v chp, nh s cho corercet expoure, o sng vo zoneIV( c xanh...) th gim EV -1 o sng vo zone VI ( mu vng) th tng EV +1 o sng vo zoneVII ( my trng) th tng EV +2 ch Manual th cc gi tr khu Av, tc Tv s gi nguyn khng thay i v ta ch vic nhm my ly nt v chp.nh chc chn s correct exposure. Khi chp chn dung th da ngi c th thay i t Ev -1 da en n EV 0 n EV +1 da rt trng Ni chung, ta o sng vo nhng phn quan trng ca cnh, chng hn im nhn ca nh l bu tri th ta o sng vo tri xanh, my trng ... ; nu im nhn l mt t th o sng vo cy c...
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04-07-2013, 09:39 AM
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Ti ngh mt phng n kim tra nh sau: 1. Chn mode o sng l Spot Metering, nu my khng c mode ny th chn mode Partial Metering. Chn mode chp l Av Chn ISO thch hp 2. a im chp l ni c cy xanh . Thi gian chp bt k. Vi bt k iu kin sng. o sng: nhm vo phn l xanh sao cho tone green chon y vng trn o sng trung tm, o sng . V d kt qu l f/5.6, 1/50s. Bn nh kha Ev bng nt AElock. Chp. nh s qu sng Bn Ti sao? Vi cch o sng , chc chn my o c cng sng phn x ca zone IV, ngha l ca thang xm 78. Nhng my th mc nhin coi l cng sng phn x ca zone V, ngha l ca middle gray , thang xm 128. Ngh sai nn my ra quyt nh sai lm cho l sng vi EV 0 , f/5.6, 1/50s. nh chp qu sng 3. Ta phi t correct exposure. Suy ngh nh sau: zone IV c h s phn x 9%, zone V middle gray c h s phn x 18%. Vy r rng , cng nh sng phn x ca middle gray zone V m ta mun bit s ln gp 2 ln cng sng m my o c zoneIV. Bit vy th ta phi t chnh s phi sng cho my, khi cng sng tng ln 2 ln, th s l sng phi gim xung 2 ln, ngha l phi nh sau f/5.6, 1/100s. Lm th no y, my cung cp cho bn cng c ri. Bn hy gim EV - 1, s nhn c f/5.6, 1/100s AElock. Chp. nh bn s ng sng.
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05-07-2013, 09:50 PM
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Nhng ln trao i trc , ti c i cht vi vng, khng chnh xc... Nay ti vit li thnh mt bi hon chnh. Xin li Bn , nu nhiu phn Bn phi xem li . Mong cc Bn gp . Cm n.

A.Nhn cuc i theo thang mu xm.

nh sng phn x t cnh vt n my nh v to nh. V vy, c im phn x nh sng ca cc vt th l yu t rt quan trng trong k thut chp nh v sa nh s, c th l c ng dng thit thc phi sng ng cho nh ( correct exposure )

Bc nh trn c 256 xm khc nhau ( v to bng Photoshop), t thun en gi l thang xm 0 n thun trng l thang xm 255, thang xm chnh gia l 128 , hay middle gray ( thang xm ny quan trng lm , Bn). 100% nh sng trng ti phn xm 255 th 100% phn x ti mt ta ( phn x hon ton), v th ta thy n trng. 100% nh sng trng ti phn xm 0 th 0% phn x ti mt ta (hp th hon ton), v th ta thy n en. 100% nh sng trng ti phn xm 128 middle gray th ch 18% phn x ti mt ta . Thang xm cng nh, xm nhiu th phn x cng yu. Ni rng ra, cnh vt m my nh chp cng gm cc thang xm m thi. M mt tm nh trong Photoshop, dng lnh Desature loi b mu, s dng eye- dropper ta s c c cc gi tr thang xm ( cn gi l tone). Nhn bit, phn bit 256 xm l qu kh nng ca mt ngi thng. ng dng vo nhip nh, ch cn quan tm n mt s xm m thi. ( nguyn thy, Ansell Adam chn 11 xm, gi l Ansell Adams zone system ) Hnh trn l 5 xm quan trng tng i xi cho nh k thut s. u tin l thang xm 128 middle gray ( cn hay gi l zone 5 ), n phn x 18% nh sng ti. Thp hn, l thang xm 78 ( cn gi l zone 4), n phn x 9% nh sng ti; thang xm 28 ( cn gi l zone 3), n phn x 4,5% nh sng ti. Cao hn, l thang xm 178 ( cn gi l zone 6), n phn x 36% nh sng ti; thang xm 228 ( cn gi l zone 7), n phn x 72% nh sng ti. Ta nhn cnh vt theo quan im thang xm th s nh vy: L cy l xm 78, zone 4 v n phn x 9% nh sng ti; ci khn mt mu vng l xm 178, zone 6 v n phn x 36% nh sng ti.Mt vt quan trng l ci gray card chc chn l xm 128 , middle gray , chc chn n phn x 18% nh sng. mi l ngha thc ca cu Nhn i qua ci king mu xm , Bn ah.
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B. Nguyn tc hot ng ca h thng phi sng t ng ca my nh

1. Exposure ( s phi sng, s l sng trong nhip nh ) : l vic xc nh r lng nh sng cn thit phi n film hay sensor chip ca my nh, nhm t c mt tm nh ng sng. Xc nh chnh xc lng sng cn thit th go l phi sng ng ( correct exposure). Nu lng sng vo my nhiu hn cn thit th go l d sng (overexposure) Nu lng sng vo my t hn cn thit th go l thiu sng (underexposure) iu chnh lng nh sng vo my , ta thay i 3 yu t : ISO, khu (aperture, m ca ng knh), v tc mn trp (shutter speed ). Thng thng ISO c chn trc khng thay i, ta iu chnh phi sng bng cch thay i khu v tc . V d: Bn c mt my nh s, mt gray card , bn chp ci gray card ny. Nu nh cng c xm y chang nh n, th my nh

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correct exposure. Nu nh t xm hn, thuc thang xm cao hn 128 l d sng , hng. Nu nh xm m hn,thuc thang xm thp hn 128 l thiu sng , hng. 2. H thng t ng phi sng ca my nh ( automatic exposure - AE) Cnh vt gm v s xm vi mc phn x nh sng khc nhau, lm th no phi sng ng cho tt c , nh khng mt chi tit bt k vng no? Suy ngh cht t , ta thy ngay rng: khng cn quan tm n vic chnh phi sng vi tt c cc thang xm, ch cn chn mt thang xm c bit, thang xm trung tm 128, middle gray, zone 5 ri chnh phi sng ng cho n (nh v d trn v vic chp ci gray card), v th l mi thang xm hai bn s c phi sng ng. V nh s ng sng. T y ta c th hnh dung nguyn tc hot ca h thng t ng phi sng ca my nh. N phi gm 2 b phn: a. My o sng : S dng cc mode o sng khc nhau ( evaluative , partial , center-weight average, spot metering) o cng nh sng phn x t nhiu im , nhiu vng khc nhau ca ch th , sau tnh ra mt gi tr cng nh sng trung bnh (bn ng nhm ln gia 2 khi nim cng nh sng light intensity vi cc thang xm 0, 28, ..) . b. H thng iu khin exposure: Khi nhn c cng sng trung bnh do my o gi ti, h thng iu khin mc nhin coi l cng sng phn x ca gray card, zone 5 v ... bng cch no khng cn bt , my quyt nh rng mun correct exposure th vi ISO ny, khu phi th ny, tc phi th ny ( correct exposure ca my l ng vi EV 0) ( .. bng cch no khng bit c th l mt thut ton, mt cng thc , nhng ring ti thch cch tra t in. Nh sn xut my nh sai nhn vin ca mnh ly chic gray card ra chp, vi cng sng phn x t gray card nh th ny, iso th ny , th khu phi th vy, tc phi th vy l correct exposure... ghi li i ...c th thnh mt bn tra cu. a ci bn tra cu ny vo b nh, khi nhn c cng sng trung bnh do my o gi ti , b vi x l ch cn search ri a ra kt qu) Sau rt nhiu ci tin ca nh sn xut my nh , a s trng hp gi tr cng sng trung bnh o c trng vi hay gn nh trng vi cng sng phn x ca gray card, V phn ln trng hp h thng automatic exposure cho nh p. Tm li: H thng t ng phi sngca my nh, c gng o c, o ng cng nh sng phn x t vng xm 128, vng middle gray hay zone 5; Vi gi tr u vo , b vi x l s cho u ra l gi tr correct exposure EV=0, vi cc gi tr khu , tc tng ng
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C.KHI NO MY PHI SNG NG. KHI NO MY PHI SNG SAI V CCH KHC PHC 1. My phi sng ng: Khi cnh chp c hay gn cc thang xm, cng nh sng trung bnh o c s trng hay gn nh trng vi cng nh sng phn x ca thang middle gray ca cnh ( Tng t nh mt hc sinh hc lc trung bnh, im s hng ngy c im 1,2.. 6,7... th im trung bnh hc k khong 5 hay 4,5 g ). My s chnh phi sng ng cho middle gray, th l mi thang xm khc cng l sng ng. nh s correct exposure. 2. Trng hp phi sng khng ng : gi s, cnh bin, ct trng ... chng hn. Cnh thiu cc thang xm thp , nh cc thang xm 5, 17, 78 gi d vy ... cng nh sng trung bnh my o c s ln hn cng nh sng phn x ca thang middle gray 128, n c th l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 178 hay thang xm 228. ( Tng t nh mt hc sinh hc lc kh, im s hng ngy thng l.. 6,7, 8... th im trung bnh hc k s ln hn 5, im s trung bnh c th l 7 hay 8 chng hn ). B phn iu khin phi sng ca my mc nhin nhn ci cng sng l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 128 ( thc t nh hn ), ri a ra mt quyt nh sai EV=0, v d l f/4, 1/ 100s chng hn ... Chng ta th on xem nh s nh th no? Ti hn hay sng hn thc t? nh thiu sng , Bn. Cc nh sn xut my nh qu hiu h thng AE ca mnh c hn ch no, nn h d phng trc cng c khc phc, c th l cch chnh phi sng chnh EV. V chng ta phi t chnh thi. Bt u : Bn phi phng on , cng sng trung bnh my o c c th l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 178 , zone 6 chng hn. Ri suy ngh : zone 6 phn x 36% nh sng, zone5 middle gray phn x 18% nh sng, vy cng sng phn x ca zone 5 cn tm ch bng cng sng m my o c. C mt nguyn tc l : cng sng gim th s phi sng phi tng; v ngc li m bo correct exposure. Vy r rng phi tng phi sng ln 2 ln , c th l f/4 , 1/50s Lm th no tng phi sng ln 2 ln , d dng thi , bn chnh tng EV ln +1, lp tc bn c f/4 , 1/50s Chp. Nu nh ng sng th phng on ca bn ng v bn chnh phi sng ng. Nu vn cha ng th chnh na. ( ni cn k hiu nguyn tc thi, cn p dng thc t ta s trnh by sau) V thc t khng cn k ht cc trng hp m h thng AE ca my cho kt qu sai lch v cch khc phc n . Ti ch mong mun trao i vi cc Bn , nhng nhn thc, suy ngh c nhn v nguyn tc lm vic ca h thng AE v cch chnh phi sng EV ca my nh hin nay. Hiu ng th ta s tn dng ti a v sng to nhng tnh nng u vit ca my.
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1. Nhn i theo thang mu xm: Ti c thi quen khi ngm cnh , lp tc trong u ln tn ngh: ci o c gi kia thuc zone my , ci thng rc u ng thuc zone 6 khng? V xc nh chnh xc cc zone th gip ta chp nh rt ng sng Bn . Nhng cm gic v zone ph thuc rt nhiu vo c nhn , vo con mt tinh i v c bit vo kinh nghim dy dn ca mi ngi 2. Spot Metering: Bn c th dng mode o sng ny o chnh xc cng sng phn x t thang xm mun o , zone mun o. V d: Bn o sng vo vng l cy ( zone 4, thang xm 78) , bn phi vng l cy chon y vng trn o trung tm , lc ny my o c cng sng trung bnh chnh l cng sng phn x ca thang xm 78, zone 4 ( nhng ta u bit l bao nhiu, my u c ni), v my a phi sng EV=0 , ng vi khu , tc c th no ., gi s l f/5.6 , 1/100s Bn mun g? Bn mun nh ca bn ng sng, ngha l bn cn phi sng ng cho zone 5, middle gray c. D thi bn i, zone 4 phn x 9%, zone 5 phn x 18 %, vy cng nh sng phn x ca zone 5 ln gp 2 cng nh sng phn x ca zone 4, ngha l phi gim phi sng , chnh EV= -1, c th l f/5.6 , 1/200s. Bn chp , nh ng sng. 3. Spot Metering + Maunual Mode = Correct Exposure: Bn o sng spot metering nh ti trinh by 2 Nu bn o sng vo zone 5 th chnh EV=0 (o sng bng gray card l trng hp ny); Nu bn o sng vo zone 4 th chnh EV= -1; Nu bn o sng vo zone 3 th chnh EV= -2; Nu bn o sng vo zone 6 th chnh EV= +1; Nu bn o sng vo zone 7 th chnh EV= +2; Th l bn correct exposure ri . ( Cc chuyn gia nhip nh dy ta: o sng vo ch ny ri chnh EV -2/3, o sng vo ch kia ri chnh EV +1 , thc cht l ci ny Bn) Chp manual c li l khi chnh phi sng xong, nhng gi tr khu , tc s gi nguyn , khi cn AE lock. Bn c th sp xp li, ly nt li , ty ( lc ny con tr EV c th nhy lung tung, mc k n). Ri chp . nh ca bn chc chn ng sng. . PHM HNG NGC . Email: hongngoc2000@gmail.com
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Ti xin tr li Bc AlexandreCiskob nh sau: R rng , vi phng php chp ca ta, mun phi sng ng phi xc nh ng zone. M vic xc nh zone li da ch yu vo kinh nghim , vo mt nhn ca mi ngi. Ngha l rt cm tnh... u vo khng tuyt i chnh xc th u ra ch c th l phi sng tng i ng m thi. M chng ta li mun bit chnh xc vng ny chnh EV = -1 hay EV= -2/3 . Vy ti mun xut vi cc Bc mt bi ton ngc nh sau: Vi my nh ca mnh , cc Bc c cch no xc nh chnh xc vng ny thuc zone no , hay khng?
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