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Omar akarbashat
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frheconsentsearchperformed~t-,~,hatimeyieldednothingofconsequence.\..\,/-..:Duringhisinterview,Bakarb~~\:Iatadmittedknowingth~hijaCkrs..b,lol1..lkili.edhavinganyadvanceknowledgeofthe
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BakarbashatimpressedL....Jassoft,willingtotalk,andapparentlyforthcoming.I-l.eidentifiedMohdarAbdullahand7200Saranacandprovidedinformationreg'ardingYazeedAl~SalmL01maAwadallah,andtheTexacostation.However,Bakar~~~.~·~~I....~_~---...Bakarbashathelped
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'~~~~~withMohdarA~d~:onnumerousoccasions,Abdullah\\,\..\.::.declinedtotakeapor:ygr~ph'jji:JtPf():vi1edlots[>finformation.BasedonAbdullah's\:\proffersessioninthesummer.of2002;fonsidershiscredibilitytobelow,\.',:,:.:;'.','.:.,\.....'\..\'.>~lthough
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thinkAbduII'ah,(whomhetermed agoofball )wasasleeperor'~~ttingfacilitatorforthehijackers.
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lIidnotethat.Abdullahappearedtoactstrangelyintheweeksleadingupto\.\\,\.,9/11.Inparticular,inlateAugust,Abdullahstoppedusingtheinternationaltelephone\ :\\...cailingplan.towhichhesubscribed,Duringtheproffersession,Abdullahwasaskedby
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laboutreceivingacallfromNawafAI-HazmiinAugustasashotinthe\\\dark.\.\'
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Idoes,believeit'spossibleAl-HazmicalledAbdullahinAugust2001.The\\.\twoofthem
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haveestablishedafairlyclosefriendship,especiallyafter
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2000\leparture.AccordingtoAbdullah,AI-Hazmididcometosay\.\\.good-byebefore
leaving
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,,.Abdullah-alsoimpress~dllas<'veryopportunistic an~'I'ik~,lYtohave:Fq~sideredOmar~l-Bayoumiassomeonewhocouldhavedonesomethingforhim.¥~~ingc~mefrom.theinves~igati~.n·ofAbdullah'sbrotherinItaly.Nor
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relationshipbetweenAbdullahandAnwarAulaqi.\,\\Afterretumin~ tonO({Saranac,AbdullahwaskickedoutbyOsamaAwadallahandYazeedAI-Salmibecausetheyfearedhewouldbringthemtoomuchattention.
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