In that way, if 'jnan' (knowledge) of any given subject such as the material world, or theLord were there, the 'mayavadi' philosopher would have something to relate to. But theydon't, therefore they are known as 'mayavadis' or 'ajnanavadis' due to their ignorance.This is understood by the Vaisnavacaryas who are in full knowledge. The opposite toblack being white, the opposite to ignorance being knowledge.Sripad Ramanujacarya clears up the theory of illusion as set by the Sankarites in thefollowing way by saying that if one knows what is truth, one may, for a short period, besubject to illusion by which normal things appear different to what they should be. But itcannot be said that illusion has no cause other than illusion itself, or is unknown or justappears for no reason. Ramanuja goes on to say that if illusion were an inexpressible of an unidentifiable thing, again when or where would one even known it was illusion for one would be in illusion and would have nothing to compare with as real.According to the 'avidya', 'advaitistic' philosophy of Sankara, the dream state, thewakeful state, and the state of self are all unreal and illusory. But according toRamanujacarya there is a real character in all these three states. Even dreams are notillusion entirely. During the waking state the self is awake, and it contacts the objects of the senses externally through the mind and senses. In the dream state, the self becomes detached from the external world of the senses and their objects. The mind,however, experiences a succession of images presented from the memory without reallyany necessity of logic or reason. Originally the objects were seen or touched, smelt or heard through the senses, and the mind stores the information. The mind acts in thisway, that's its function, so definitely it cannot be called illusion or unreal for it is just areflection of reality that the mind has come in contact with.Sankara says that in the case of sleep one is the witness of 'avidya' (ignorance). After waking, one says, "I slept well, I was pure spiritual consciousness, free from all materialconditioning, and a witness to 'avidya'." Sripad Ramanujacarya however sheds a deeper light on this subject. He says that person who was sleeping is not only pure spiritualconsciousness, but is a spirit soul, eternal servant of the Lord, and that pure spiritualconsciousness is an attribute of the soul by which the soul can be perceived('swarupopadhi'). So by this we can see that if the soul (self) did not remain conscious insleep, then how could he then remember upon waking that he had been sleeping, or hadslept well? Thus there would be a gap in his life, not knowing he had done anythingwhat to speak of sleep, so what is this witness to 'avidya'. This is not a fact, for the soulhas a sense of permanent consciousness carried by memory which tells him that he hasdone something or give the sense of fulfilment knowing he has taken rest for a setperiod.The 'mayavadis' say that the perceptions one may have in a dream are all unreal in thesame way scriptures are not real, as the written word cannot do justice to a spiritualreality. Sri Ramanuja refutes this saying, that, it is not true that dreams are unreal, butthe circumstances are different, in as much as the activities may be there in a dream,and the same activities are there in a waking state. One could in fact say the activitiesare the same, in both states, but 'that is the only qualification to their one-ness'('visistadwaita'). It is not that the dreams of subtle nature and the activities of the wakefulstate are exactly one, however, there is a qualification to their one-ness. The activitymay be of the same kind of act, and it is the same person who sees in relation with both.One could further say that the vision exists, but in the dreaming state not on a grossplatform. The objects seen may not necessarily grossly exist, though certainly theobjects do exist somewhere. An example may be given that one may see in a dream agolden mountain, and it is a fact that gold exists and a mountain exists, but to see agolden mountain?? Well maybe! Another example is that sometimes, due to our
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