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Following is a complete and unedited conversation between Jason Miller (ThomasPaine's Corner), Camille Marino (Negotiation is Over), and Tom Holder (Speakingof Research).Email Subject: A Question From TPC/NIOFrom: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoTo: Tom HolderWed, Oct 21, 2009 1:15 pmTom,A lot of the editorializing and personal attacks do little to foster a productivedialogue. It may be beneficial, therefore, to establish a line of communication.In an effort to understand you and your positions within the Speaking of Researchcommunity, we hope you will entertain a single question:Do you receive any money or payment in any kind for defending and promoting thevivisection industry?We look forward to your response.Jason & Camille_______________________________-From: Tom HolderTo: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoWed, Oct 21, 2009 1:29 pmDear Jason and Camille, I do not believe that our respective blogs are the most productive places fordialogue - thus I will use these email addresses in future for issues such as thephone number instance. In that sense we have email as a line of communication. Do I receive any money or payment for defending research? No I do not. If I give a lecture I ask that all my travel costs be reimbursed(since I'm usually travelling from the UK). On occasion (and certainly not always)I receive a small honarium for speaking - this is not because I ask for it, butbecause they tend to give all speakers this fee (this is more normal forconferences that other one off talks). I currently have another job in the UK that is not linked to the issue of animalresearch, it is from this that I make my living.RegardsTom____________________________________From: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoTo: Tom HolderWed, Oct 21, 2009 4:00 pmTom,Thank you for your response.We, too, are far more comfortable addressing this privately.
 
We are in receipt of strong evidence suggesting that individuals in thepharmaceutical industry finance your activism.We are not concerned with the nominal fees garnered for speaking engagements.It is evident from our information that you are advancing an agenda on behalf ofentities who need to remain anonymous. There is not much more we can revealwithout compromising our source.We know you have a personal stake in this issue.If you share shed some light on this dynamic, we are willing to share a fewdetails with you.Jason & Camille_____________________________________________From: Tom HolderTo: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoWed, Oct 21, 2009 5:08 pmJason and Camille,I'm not sure what I can say - I have never been paid by anyone in thepharmaceutical industry.My personal stake in this issue is my health (not that I have any pressing healthissues) - to see animal research abolished is to risk future treatments that maybenefit me and those close to me (and just about everyone else).I have no idea what sources you think you have (and I suspect this is a shot inthe dark whereby you were hoping I would admit some dark truth) but I have nofinancial stake in this issue - not that I need to prove this to you.RegardsTom____________________________________From: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoTo: Tom HolderWed, Oct 21, 2009 7:50 pmTom, Didn't your mother teach you that "honesty is the best policy?" Our original question was, "Do you receive any money or payment in any kind fordefending and promoting the vivisection industry?" We also wrote, "We are in receipt of strong evidence suggesting that individualsin the pharmaceutical industry finance your activism." You wrote, "I'm not sure what I can say - I have never been paid by anyone in thepharmaceutical industry." The truth is:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Medical_ProgressIn Spring 2008 the organization awarded Tom Holder, the spokesman for Pro-Test,the Michael D. Hayre fellowship in public outreach[1]. This allowed Holder to moveto the US[2], and with the support of AMP, set up Speaking of Research, a campus-oriented group supporting animal research with similar tactics to Pro-Test. InJuly 2009 AMP announced three new Hayre Fellows to work on local and nationaladvocacy efforts[3] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Medical_Progress Americans for Medical Progress (AMP) is an industry-funded organization and frontgroup for the pharmaceutical, animal testing and breeding industries. AMP runsmedia campaigns targeting animal rights and welfare groups. It is a self described"charitable organization" and tax exempt under the IRS code 501(c)(3). [1] AMP's board of directors consists of senior executives and other representativesemployed by the pharmaceutical and vivisection industries. They include CharlesRiver, Abbott Laboratories, GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Wyeth. [2]Charles River Laboratories, Inc. is the world's largest supplier of laboratoryanimals. It has been described as the "General Motors of the laboratory animalindustry". [3] Board members also represent universities and institutionsreceiving government grants for vivisection. Many corporations and institutions onAMP's board have amassed a history of gross animal welfare violations in theUnited States and Europe and are the focus of animal and health advocates. Those who underwrote the fellowship that enabled your activism represent the"who's who" of nonhuman animal torturers. If you're going to shill for morallyabhorrent vivisectors, at least own up to it. You also wrote, "My personal stake in this issue is my health (not that I have anypressing health issues)" If you are so concerned about your health, why aren't you a vegan? Regards, Jason & Camille _______________________________From: Tom HolderTo: Jason Miller, Camille MarinoThu, Oct 22, 2009 2:04 amJason and Camille,I was brought over to the US by a non-profit organization dealing in outreach(although I find it laughable that Sourcewatch is your special source). For 6months I was funded by AMP. For the 2 years prior to that in Pro-Test, and theyear after in Speaking of Research all my efforts have been unpaid.With regards to your original question you will note it was in the present tense.I currently, and for the last year, have continued my efforts with Speaking ofResearch without receiving money or payment from the vivisection industry.RegardsTom
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