Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

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Japan's Fukushima Daiichi PMT State Interface Audio Files

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March 19, 2011

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JAPAN'S FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI PMT STATE INTERFACE AUDIO FILES

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2011

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2 1 2 3 4 5 0%IQGUG_03865094 (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) OPERATOR: PMT, this is a recorded line. Terry Kraus

TERRY KRAUS: and Brian Hunt. Home Team.

Yes,

hi, this is

We're with the Consequence Management

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OPERATOR:

Okay. And we'd like to speak with this the Protective Measures

TERRY KRAUS: someone from the NRC. Group? OPERATOR: Is

Yes,

it

is. excellent. Did you

TERRY KRAUS:

Okay,

happen to be on that teleconference about an hour ago with Gerry Garino, Steve Aoki
--

OPERATOR:

Was this the one at 6:30? Yes. I wasn't specifically on

TERRY KRAUS: OPERATOR:

Yes,

full-time but I know a few people that were. TERRY KRAUS: OPERATOR: Okay.

What sort of information were

you looking for? TERRY KRAUS: Well we are working with NARAC

to try to produce some of that information tha4(b)(i) (b)(6) and some of the other folks have asked for. OPERATOR: Okay. NEAL R. GROSS
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3 1 2 TERRY KRAUS: core source-term, So we have, based on this super of 16 radionuclides

we have a list

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OPERATOR:

Okay. -- but we're really, you know,

TERRYKRAUS:

I don't want to impugn anyone but we're kind of questioning if that's the right 16. OPERATOR: Oh, I see. Okay, so you probably

want to speak with Michelle Hart since she's involved with those counts.
--

So let me just put you on hold for

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TERRY KRAUS: OPERATOR:

Okay,

thank you. Hold on.

-- for a minute or so. Okay. Hello, this is

TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE

HART:

Michelle

TERRY KRAUS:

Hi,

Michelle,

this is

Terry

I'm a CM Home Team Assessment Scientist. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Okay. And we just want to, I just

got done talking with NARAC, all the concerns that (b)(6) . recent teleconference lined up. MICHELLE HART:

we're trying to address xpressed during that that Gerry Garino

we had with,

Uh-huh.

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4 1 2 TERRY KRAUS: And so NARAC would like to, At

is planning on modeling the super core source term. least for one of these runs.

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MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS:

Right. And they have a top 16 list And we

of radionuclides which they got from the NRC. 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 2 24 25 Praseodymium. MICHELLE HART: Uh-huh. case when it's etcetera. MICHELLE HART: whole source term though, TERRY KRAUS: Right, right. right? Right. Is are wondering how that list far as dose producing be maybe better

was developed because as

radionuclides we suspect there or more or other

radionuclides

radionuclides

that could produce a higher dose then,

especially some of the noble gases. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Right. Mainly in the, like in the

being transported to Alaska, California,

You have the

MICHELLE HART:

there some particular I mean particular

source term that you're looking at,

isotope you're looking at that you think would be more appropriate then one that's in TERRY KRAUS: that list? I'm thinking like

Well

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5 1 2 TERRY KRAUS: Praseodymium-90, 91, 92,

Degium-138 (phonetic), remember if

Moly-99, the Cesium-138, I can't

I said that. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: Right. Americium-141. Yes, at the time that the

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list

was probably developed was probably we were concerned And if you're

about the inhalation and submersion dose.

more concerned about the ingestion pathways for those particular purposes, maybe more important. TERRY KRAUS: Yes. Have you ever gone down there maybe a different list that

that road to look at those? MICHELLE HART: No, we have not. I think,

you know, we have the standard list. a standard list

I won't say it's

but the standard ones are that of course

Iodine's and Cesium's that we are more concerned about for the short term releases. So we don't have like a

standard set of isotopes that we setup for the long term. TERRY understand. KRAUS: Yes, because, okay, so I

That makes sense that that list

was generated

primarily with the in-plume dose. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Right. So I think our current task So I think --

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6 1 2 MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: bit different list. 4 5 Right. So I think we need a little

I'm trying to get NARAC to see if beyond that 16 so we

they can model and expand a list

can encapture some of those other radio and nuclides. MICHELLE HART: Right. Because I'm just afraid that

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TERRY KRAUS:

9 10 11 12 1 14 (b)(5),(b)(6) yes.

MICHELLE HART:

We might miss something,

TERRY KRAUS:

Yes,

and if

we give this to

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(b)(6)

MICHELLE HART: (b)(6)

TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS:

want that to happen, so --

Yes. Yes. And I don't think any of us

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MICHELLE HART:
TERRY KRAUS: --

No.
we're going to try and do

So we will try and expand the list MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Okay. I don't know,

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MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS:

Sure.

If NARAC cannot do the entire

than we'll have to try and make an abbreviated list

bysomethingthatpicksupsomeofthoseotherradionuclides that deliver dose once it's MICHELLEHART: on the ground. Sure. And were you planning with

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on take a first us or?

cut at that and then discussing it

TERRY KRAUS: and forth a little

Yes,

we're still

going back

bit with NARAC. Okay.

MICHELLE HART: TERRYKRAUS:

But, Michelle, is this, I mean

should we just call at this number or do you have an

email account or --

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MICHELLE HART:

We do have an email account

that you can send things to and you can also call into the headquarters and ask for us TERRY KRAUS:
MICHELLE HART:
--

Okay.
-if you have a discussion.

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I can give you the email account? TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART:
tango, 12 --

Okay. It's pmt, that's papa, Mike,

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TERRY KRAUS:
MICHELLE HART:

Okay.
--

.hoc, that's

hotel, Oscar,

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Charlie

--

TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: so I'll

Okay. -@nrc.gov. okay. All right,

nrc.gov,

get back with, we'll continue to work with NARAC,

we'll get back with you as soon as we have something. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: Okay. Okay, thanks.

Thank you. Okay, Bye. bye.

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9 1 2 0%IS(_4603865094 (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) OPERATOR: 4 5 Home Team. PMT, Hi, this is a recorded line?

TERRY KRAUS: Is

this is Terry Krauss, CM

Michelle Hart there? Yes, she is.

OPERATOR: 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
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TERRY KRAUS: OPERATOR: Michelle, it's

Could I speak with her? Sure, hold on for a second.

Terry from the home team.

Should I have

him call back?

MICHELLE HART: What's he
--

OPERATOR: you have for her?

Is there any specific questions

TERRY KRAUS:

Yes,

we --

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OPERATOR:

She's kind of busy right now.

-talked a little while ago

TERRY KRAUS:

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about OPERATOR:
TERRY radionuclides --

You did?
-adding some additional

KRAUS:

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Okay.
-to the short list of 16

TERRY KRAUS:

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10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 CM Home Team. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Yes. for a second. added four that we believe are the next most significant dose producers. OPERATOR: Okay, all right, she's right here

Hold on for a minute. MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: This is Hi, Michelle Hart. Terry Krauss,

Michelle,

I talked with NARAC, they can

only support up to about 20 radionuclides in their runs

--

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MICHELLE HART:
TERRY KRAUS: --

Okay.
to have a reasonable run

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time.

So Brian Hunt and I looked at the radionuclides,

we believe that we found the next four top dose producing radionuclides, we added them to the 16. Okay.

MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS:

And I just sent you an email, you could give

I'd like you to just look at that and if us a thumbs up or down. MICHELLE HART: TERRY original 16, KRAUS: Okay. We didn't

mess

with

the

we just added four more. MICHELLEHART: Okay. Inyourbestopinion,

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11 1 2 stuff for the inhalation, that you need still? BRIAN HUNT: 4 5 6 7 8 I think it will give us enough I mean the ingestion stuff

to track enough different things that we can take ratios off of an aged full mix and be able to -MICHELLE HART:
BRIAN HUNT: --

Okay.
different stuff.

TERRY KRAUS:
to do the whole mix --

You know ideally we'd love

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MICHELLE HART:
TERRY KRAUS: --

Right.
it's not a possibility.

So at least adding these other four we're looking at dose producers that's on the ground in addition to those in the air. MICHELLE HART: Okay. Is it okay if I send thumb

you an email back to let you know if down? TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART:

thumbs up,

That would be great. Okay. I suspect we'll be

TERRY KRAUS: questions maybe if can talk about it

right away and
--

Okay.

And if

you have any

you just call us at this number we rather then I might not see the email

MICHELLE HART:

Okay,

what is

your number

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again? TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: of paper. TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: Okay. There it 844. 844. 6954. 6954. is. 505. It is area code 505 -I need a piece

Excuse me,

10 11 12 1 14 15 1 17 18 1 20 21 22 2 24 25 you. email too.

MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS:

And that number's also in the

MICHELLE HART: TERRY KRAUS: right up front. MICHELLE HART:

Okay. I could have told you that

Well that's okay,

in

case

for some reason I didn't get the email or something. TERRY KRAUS: MICHELLE HART: thank you very much, I'll Yes, okay, good point. All right, well

All right.

take a look at that and I'll I have any questions I'll

shoot you an email back and if give you a call. TERRY KRAUS:

Okay,

appreciate it.

Thank

MICHELLE HART:

Thank you.

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