The Editor: This portion of the transcript of the evidentiary hearing in the Soto, et al v.

LULAC, et al, is taken from pages 21 25 out of a 580 page transcript. The transcript in whole tells the reader just how corrupt LULAC has become under the administration of Margaret Moran and her cast of characters, including her husband, Oscar Moran, Rosa Rosales, Luis Vera, Manuel Escobar, and the wannabe king, roger rocha. This snippet from the transcript is the detailed explanation of the meeting that Socorro Esquivel, a 30 year LULAC veteran, attended the night before the Arizona State LULAC Convention which was held the next day. In their opening remarks, Guajardo, the LULAC attorney at the hearing, argues that the meeting was not a strategy meeting to lay out the plans to void the 38 councils that Zazueta had registered, but that the meeting that night was a reception and that is what it should be called. Guajardos mind to the court is that the evidence is not corroborated. You read it and decide in your own mind set whom you would believe, a 30 year LULAC veteran who was drawing a legal boundary for LULAC or a legal weasel like Guajardo? What follows is the testimony of Socorro Esquivel, on examination by Chris Ford, the attorney for Soto, et al, the plaintiffs. 6 Q. Okay. Excellent. We want to go to the Arizona 7 convention and the night before the Arizona convention, 8 which was on the 6th of June, as was mentioned. Was there 9 a meeting that you attended? 10 A. Yeah. There was a meeting that I was invited to 11 by Mr. Mireles. And it was meeting -- my thing was to go 12 in and sort of straighten up my rosters, okay? But it

13 turned out to be, like, a strategy meeting. 14 Q. Excuse me. When you say "rosters," you mean 15 membership rosters for councils? 16 A. The rosters of my people that were -17 Q. In Tucson? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. And it turned out to be a strategy meeting on how 21 to prevent the people from Phoenix and from San Luis from 22 being able to vote. 23 Q. And where was this meeting held? 24 A. At the Desert Diamond in a room. 25 Q. And do you know whose hotel room that was in? 1 A. Who hotel room? 2 Q. Yeah. 3 A. I think at the end, Mr. Hernandez ended up 4 staying in that room.

5 Q. And can you remember or can you tell the Court 6 who exactly attended the meeting? 7 A. In the meeting was Mr. Mireles; Ana Valenzuela, 8 who is a credential lady; Mr. and Mrs. Moran. 9 Q. And can you -- who is Mrs. Moran? What's her 10 role in LULAC? 11 A. She's a national president. And Mr. Moran is her 12 husband. 13 Q. Right. Okay. Thank you. 14 A. And another lady that I know by the name of 15 Mari (phonetic); I don't recall her last name. And the 16 other one was a Connie Martinez that works with Mrs. Moran 17 as her secretary. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. And another three people that I don't, you know, 20 remember their names. 21 Q. And you characterized this as a strategy meeting. 22 What -- what types of things were these -- what types of

23 strategies were they discussing? Do you recall any 24 specific strategies or reasons? 25 A. They were -- they were talking that there were

1 people that were not going to be voting for the Morans, 2 and the thing was to prevent them from being in there. 3 And the situation was that they were going 4 to use the Zazueta as an issue being that even though they 5 got the check from Zazueta -- Mr. Mireles and Connie -6 not Connie. What's her name? -- Ana Valenzuela were not 7 processing it because they wanted to make sure they were 8 not legal either way. 9 So then what happened was I kept -- in fact, 10 I asked the question, being that Connie worked for the 11 same agency, which is PPEP. So Zazueta and PPEP had paid 12 the dues for Connie and paid the dues for -- for Zazueta. 13 It was that -- you know, why would it -- would they hold 14 it? Because I didn't know much of what was going on.

15 Q. So are we -- just to kind of clarify, are we 16 saying that it seems like they accepted the registration 17 of one person who paid from this group, P -18 A. Yeah, PP, which is Connie's. 19 Q. And yet not another? 20 A. Not another one. 21 Q. And you saw that as being -- and why -- why do 22 you think that was? 23 A. Because they wanted to make -- that the Zazueta 24 people were not going to be -- the Young Adults from the 25 San Luis and the Phoenix areas would not be able, and they 1 were going to use that as an excuse. 2 Q. An excuse to? 3 A. To not let them vote. 4 Q. I see. Did they discuss anything about the 5 national convention during this strategy meeting? 6 A. Well, I asked Mrs. Moran, "How -- how is it going

7 to help at the national?" 8 She said, "Oh, we're prepared for it. Don't 9 worry. They're not going to be able to get in, either 10 way." 11 Q. When she's referring to "they," who would -12 A. The councils -13 Q. -- she be referring to? 14 A. -- from the Phoenix and San Luis area. 15 Q. And do you think the -- do you know why she was 16 so concerned about these councils? 17 A. Because they knew that they were not going to go 18 with them at all. They didn't want anybody that was going 19 to be against them to be a part of -20 Q. When you say "go with," you mean -21 A. To vote for her. 22 Q. -- like support -23 A. Yeah, in reality. 24 Q. Okay. And then upon hearing this discussion, how

25 did it -- how did it make you feel? I mean, what did you

1 think about this? 2 A. I observed because I felt that the Lord had put 3 me back 30 years to come in here. What I had started and 4 the grass roots that David and I had built were going down 5 the drain with the young people and the people that wanted 6 to vote, because that's not LULAC. 7 Q. Did you feel that what they were planning was 8 appropriate? 9 A. No.