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d o w n
th e
s te p s
of the
b u ild in g
w e re
th e
sam e
tw o
e m p lo y e e s
th a t
y o u
s a w
o n
th e
w in d o w ,
in
th e
w in d o w
o n
th e
f if t h
flo o r
a t
th e
e a s te rly
m ost
e n d
o f
th e
b u ild in g ?
M r.
B E IE N N A N . Y e s ;
a s
fa r
a s
o n
th e
f if t h
flo o r
a n d
a t
o n e
o f
th e s e
tw o
w in d o w s .
T h e
o n e I c irc le d
o r th is
w in d o w
h e re .
M r.
R E D L IC H .
Y o u
m ean
tw o
of the
p e o p le
th a t
y o u -
M r.
B E E N N A N .
A t
o n e
o f
th e
w in d o w s
I
s a w
tw o ,
tw o
o f
th o s e
p e o p le ,
em -
p lo y e e s
th a t
cam e
d o w n .
M r.
R E D L IC H .
B u t
y o u
a re
n o t
p re p a re d
to
s ta te
w h ic h
o f th e s e
th re e
p o s s ib le
w in d o w s ?
M r.
B B E N N A N .
T h a t
is
rig h t.
M r.
R ~ ~ J L IC H . B y
th re e ,
I
m ean
th e
tw o
w in d o w s
to
th e
e a s t,
p lu s
th e
o n e
w in d o w
w h ic h
is c irc le d
a n d
m a rk e d
w ith
a B.
M r.
B B ~ E N N A N . N o th in g
m akes
m e
th in k
th a t
th e y
w e re
in
th is
w in d o w
b u t
I am
in
q u e s tio n
w h e th e r
it was this
w in d o w
o r th is
w in d o w .
M r.
R E D L IC H .
A n d
o f
th e
tw o
p e o p le
th a t
y o u
saw ,
it
is
p o s s ib le
y o u
a re
s a y in g
th a t
o n e
m ig h t
h a v e
b e e n
in
th e
w in d o w
m a rk e d
B
a n d
a n o th e r
m ig h t
h a v e
b e e n in
a w in d o w
to the
e a s t?
M r.
B B E N N A ~ .
Y e s .
M r.
R E D LIC H . Thank
y o u .
M r.
B E L IN .
M r.
B re n n a n ,
a re
y o u
b a s in g
y o u r
re c o lle c tio n
o n
w h a t
y o u
s a w
d u rin g
th e
m o m e n ts
th a t
th e
s h o ts
w e re
d re d
o r
o n
w h a t
y o u
s a w
w h e n
y o u
o b s e rv e d
th e s e
w in d o w s
p rio r
to the
tim e
th e
m o to rc a d e
a rriv e d ?
M r.
B B E N N A N .
W hat
I
s a w
p rio r.
T h e re
w as
n o
s ig n iilc a n c e
to
th e
fa c t
a t
a ll.
In
o th e r
w o rd s ,
th e re
is
a little
d iffe re n c e
in
y o u r
m em ory
th e re
o n
th is .
M r.
B A L L .
N o
q u e s tio n s .
Y o u
m ay
be excused,
M r. B re n n a n .
Y o u
tw o
m en
c a n
a ls o
be excused
a n d
w e
w ill
c a ll
y o u
in
a few
m o m e n ts ,
M r.
Jarm an.
M r.
R E D L IC H .
W e
d o n \u2019t
n e e d M r.
W illia m s
a t a ll.
M r.
B A L L .
W e
d o n \u2019t
n e e d y o u a t a ll.
M r.
R E D L IC H .
W e
may want
h im
b a c k .
M r.
B E L IN .
D o n \u2019t
g e t to o
fa r
a w a y .
T E S T IM O N Y
O F
H A R O LD
N O R M A N
I
w ill
a s k
y o u
if you
w ill
p le a s e
s ta n d
a n d
h o ld
u p
y o u r
rig h t
h a n d .
D o
y o u
s o le m n ly
s w e a r
th a t
th e
te s tim o n y
y o u
g iv e
in
th is
c a s e
w ill
b e
th e
tru th ,
th e
w h o le
tru th ,
a n d
n o th in g
b u t
th e
tru th ,
s o h e lp
y o u
G od?
M r.
N O B M A N .
I do.
M r.
B A L L .
M r.
N o rm a n .
M r.
N O B M A ~ .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
W h e re
do you
liv e ?
M r.
NOBMAN. 4858
B e u la h
P la c e ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .
M r.
B A L L .
A re
y o u
m a rrie d ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
H ow
o ld
a re
y o u ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
2 6 .
I will
b e .
M r.
B A L L .
W h e re
w e re
y o u b o rn ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
C la rk s v ille ,
T e x .
M r.
B A L L .
W ere
y o u
ra is e d
in
C la rk s v ille ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
G o to s c h o o l
th e re ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
H ow
fa r
d id
y o u g o to s c h o o l?
M r.
N O B M A N .
I
g ra d u a te d
th e re .
M r.
B A L L .
F ro m
h ig h
s c h o o l?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
B A L K .
In
C la rk s v ille ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
W hat
k in d
o f w o rk
d id
y o u d o a fte r
y o u
g o t o u t o f s c h o o l?
1 8 6
M r.
N O R M A N .
W e ll,
I
rem em ber
w o rk in g
in
S a lin a .
I
d id
a
c a r
w a s h in g
jo b
a t
th e
M c E lro y
C h e v ro le t
C o .,
a n d
a fte r
I
le ft
th e re
I
cam e
to
D a lla s
a n d
I
s ta rte d
w o rk in g
a t
th e
d e p o s ito ry ,
th e
S c h o o l
B o o k
D e p o s ito ry .
M r.
B A L L .
T h a t
w as
a b o u t
w h a t
ye a r
d id
yo u
s ta rt
w o rk in g
th e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
In
1 9 6 1 ,
I
b e lie v e .
M r.
B A L L .
1 9 6 1 ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
H ow
lo n g
d id
yo u
w o rk
th e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
W e ll,
I
th in k
th is
c o m in g
O c to b e r
w o u ld
h a ve
m ade
3 years.
M r.
B A I,L .
A n d
yo u
w o rk
th e re
n o w ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
W h e re
d o
yo u
w o rk
n o w ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
T h e
F o xb o ro
C o.
M r.
B A L L .
W hat
k in d
o f
b u s in e s s
is
th a t?
M r.
N O R M A N .
E n g in e e r
in s tru m e n ta tio n .
M r.
B A L L .
W hat
k in d
o f
w o rk
d o
yo u
d o ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
P o rte r.
M r.
B A L L .
W hen
d id
yo u
le a v e
th e
T e s a s
S c h o o l
B o o k
D e p o s ito ry
fo r
th is
n e w
jo b ?M r.
N O R M A N .
I
le ft
d u rin g
th e
C h ris tm a s
h o lid a y s
a n d
th e
N ew
Y e a r\u2019s
le a v e
a fte r
w e
g o t
o ff
fo r
X e w
Y e a r\u2019s .
M r.
B A L L .
In
N o ve m b e r
1 9 6 3 ,
th is
is
th is
la s t
fa ll,
w h a t
k in d
o f
w o rk
w e re
yo u
d o in g
a t
th e
T e x a s
S c h o o l
B o o k
D e p o s ito ry ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
I
w as
e m p lo y e d
a s
a n
o rd e r
fille r.
M r.
B A L L .
Is
th a t
th e
sam e
k in d
o f
a
jo b
th a t
L e e
O s w a ld
h a d ?
M r.
N O R Y A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
kn o w
h im ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o
; ju s t
a s
a n
e m p lo y e e ,
th a t
is
a ll.
M r.
B A L L .
Y o u
d id n \u2019t
kn o w
h im
b e fo re
h e
cam e
to
w o rk
th e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
g e t
a c q u a in te d
w ith
h im
a fte r
h e
w as
th e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o.
J u s t
kn e w
h is
nam e.
I
m ean,
yo u
kn o w ,
h e
w o u ld n \u2019t
ta lk
to
a n yb o d y
s o
I
d id n \u2019t-
M r.
B A L L .
H e
d id n \u2019t
ta lk
to
a n yb o d y?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
e ve r
e n g a g e
h im
in
c o n v e rs a tio n
a t
th e
tim e
h e
w as
th e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o,
s ir.
I
ju s t,
yo u
kn o w ,
s p e a k
to
h im ,
th a t
is
a ll.
I
w o u ld n \u2019t
e n g a g e
in
c o n l-e rltio n .
M r.
B A L L .
A re
yo u
th e
b o y s
th a t
u s e
c lip b o a rd s ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
T h e
o rd e r
fille rs ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
S o m e b o d y
g iv e s
yo u
o rd e rs
b y
w ay
o f
p a p e rs ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
B A L L .
W hat
d o
yo u
d o
a fte r
yo u
g e t
a n
o rd e r
o n
a
p a p e r?
M r.
N O R M A N .
W e
h a d
a
d iffe re n t
p u b lis h e r
in
th e
b u ild in g ,
a n d
e a c h
in d iv id u a l,
h e
h a d
a
p u b lis h e r
th a t
h e
w o u ld
ta k e ,
m aybe
I
w o u ld
ta k e
to
a
p u b lis h e r
a n d
th e
o th e r
o rd e rs
w o u ld
a n d
w e
w o u ld
f ill
o rd e rs
a n d
b rin g
th e m
d o w n
to
th e
firs t
flo o r
fo r
th e m
to
b e
c h e c k e d
a n d
s h ip p e d
o u t.
M r.
B A L L .
Y o u
h a ve
to
g o
u p
a n d
g e t
th e
b o o k s
o u t
o f
c a rto n s ,
d o
yo u ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
If
w e
d id n \u2019t
h a ve
e n o u g h
d o w n
in
th e
b in s
d o w n
o n
th e
lirs t
flo o r
w e
w o u ld
h a ve
to
g o
u p s ta irs ,
to
c o m p le te
th e
o rd e rs .
M r.
B A L L .
D o
yo u
f ill
som e
o f
yo u r
o rd e rs
fro m
th e
firs t
flo o r?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
H ow
m any
flo o rs
d id
yo u
g o
to
th a t
m o rn in g
y o u rs e lf,
N o ve m b e r
2 2 ?
C an
yo u
rem em ber
th a t?
M r.
N O R M A N .
I
b e lie v e
I
w e n t
a s
fa r
a s
th e
fifth
flo o r
th a t
m o rn in g .
M r.
B A L L .
T h a t
is
a s
fa r-
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
e ve r
g o
to
th e
s ix th
flo o r
th a t
d a y,
th a t
m o rn in g ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
I
c a n \u2019t-y e s ,
I
w e n t
u p
th a t
m o rn in g
d u rin g
th e
tim e
I
th in k
th e y
w e re
la y in g
th e
flo o r
u p
th e re
w h e n
I
w e n t
u p
th e re .
1 8 7
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
h e lp
th e m ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
S o
; I
w as
ju s t
u p
th e re
s h o o tin g
th e
b re e ze .
M r.
B A L L .
N ow
w h a t
a b o u t
L e e
O s w a ld .
D o
yo u
kn o w
w h a t
p u b lis h e r
h e
fille d
o rd e rs
fo r?
M r.
N O B M A N .
I
kn e w
S c o tt-F o re s m a n .
M r.
B A L L .
S c o tt-F o re s m a n .
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
T h a t
w as
th e
p u b lis h e r
a s s ig n e d
to
h im ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
W e ll,
I
d o n \u2019t
kn o w
if
h e
w as
a s s ig n e d
to
h im
b u t
h e
tille d ,
yo u
kn o w .
M r.
B A L L .
H e
fille d
th o s e
o rd e rs ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
Y o u
s a y
th e n
h e
fille d
S c o tt-F o re s m a n
b o o k
o rd e rs ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
D o
yo u
kn o w
w h e re
th o s e
b o o k s
w e re
k e p t?
M r.
N O R M A N .
T h e
m a jo rity
o f
th e m
w e re
o n
th e
s ix th
flo o r.
M r.
B A L L .
T h e y
w e re ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L ..
A n d
d id
yo u
a ls o
ke e p
a
s to c k
o f
S c o tt-F o re s m a n
b o o k s
o n
th e
A rs t
flo o r?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
W hat
tim e
d id
yo u
g e t
to
w o rk
o n
th e
m o rn in g
o f
N o ve m b e r
th e
2 2 d ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
I
g o t
th e re
I
w o u ld
s a y
a b o u t
5
m in u te s
o f
8
o \u2019c lo c k ,
5
m in u te s
u n til
8
in
th e
m o rn in g .
M r.
B A L L .
Y o u
w e re n \u2019t
la te ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o;
I
w a s n \u2019t.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
s e e
L e e
O s w a ld
w h e n
yo u
g o t
to
w o rk?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o;
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll
s e e in g
h im
w h e n
I
g o t
to
w o rk.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
rem em ber
s e e in g
h im
a t
a n y
tim e
th a t
m o rn in g ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s
;
a ro u n d
a b o u t
1 0
o r
1 0
:1 5 ,
s o m e w h e re
in
th e
n e ig h b o rh o o d
o f
th a t.
M r.
B A L L .
W h e re
d id
yo u
s e e
h im ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
O ver
in
th e
b in s
b y
th e
w in d o w s ,
I
m ean
lo o k in g
o u t,
yo u
kn o w ,
a t
E lm
S tre e t,
to w a rd s
E lm
S tre e t.
M r.
B A L L ..
O n
w h a t
flo o r?
M r.
N O R M A N .
T h e
firs t.
M r.
B A L L .
L o o k in g
o u t
o n
E lm
th ro u g h
w in d o w s ,
is
th a t
rig h t?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
I\u2018w a s
lo o k in g
o u t
th e
w in d o w .
H e
h a p p e n e d
to
com e
b y
to
f ill
o rd e rs .
M r.
B A L L .
D id
h e
s a y
a n y th in g
to
yo u ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
N o;
h e
d id n \u2019t.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
s a y
a n y th in g
to
h im ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o.
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
s e e
h im
a t
a n y
tim e
a fte r
th a t?
M r.
N O R M A N .
N o;
n o
m o re .
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll
s e e in g
h im
a n y
m ore
th a t
d a y.
M r.
B A L .L .
W hat
tim e
d id
yo u
q u it
fo r
lu n c h ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
I
b e lie v e
I
q u it
a ro u n d
1 1 :4 5 ,
I
th in k .
M r.
B A L L .
A n d
w h a t
d id
yo u
d o
a fte r
yo u
q u it?
M r.
N O R M A N .
W e ll,
I
w e n t
in ,
w a s h e d
u p
a n d
I-
M r.
B A L L .
W hen
yo u
g o
in
a n d
w a s h
u p ,
w h e re
d id
yo u
g o
to
w a s h
u p ?
M r.
N O B M A N .
In
th e
m e n \u2019s
b a th ro o m .
M r.
B A L L .
Is
th a t
b a th ro o m
n e a r
th e
d o m in o
ro o m
o r
o ff
th e
d o m in o
ro o m ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ;
th a t
is
th e
o n e
o ff
th e
d o m in o
ro o m .
M r.
B A L L .
It
is
th e
o n e
n e a r
th e
d o m in o
ro o m ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s
;
o n e
n e a r
th e
d o m in o
ro o m .
M r.
B A L L .
R ig h t
n e xt
to
it?
M r.
N O B M A N .
Y e s .
M r.
B A L L .
A fte r
yo u
w a s h e d
u p ,
w h a t
d id
yo u
d o ?
M r.
N O R M A N .
W e ll,
I
g o t
m y
lu n c h ,
I
a te
m y
lu n c h
in
th e
d o m in o
ro o m .
M r.
B A L L .
D id
yo u
b rin g
yo u r
lu n c h
fro m
hom e
th a t
d a y?
M r.
N O R M A N .
Y e s ;
I
b e lie v e
I
d id .
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