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M r.
JE N N E B .
It
c u lm in a te d
in
h is
d is c h a rg e .
M r.
G R A E F .
In
h is
d is m is s a l?
M r.
JE N N E B .
A ll
rig h t,
I g u e s s th a t\u2019s
a b o u t
it.
T h a n k
y o u .
M r.
G R IE F .
W e ll,
I hope
I h a v e b e e n o f w h a te v e r
h e lp
I have
b e e n .
M r.
JE N X E R .
I am
s o rry
to in c o n v e n ie n c e
y o u in
th is
m a tte r.
M r.
GRAEF. If
I
c a n
b e
o f
fu rth e r
a s s is ta n c e ,
p le a s e
c a ll
m e
a n d
I
w ill
b e
g la d
to
d o
w h a t
I can.
M r.
J E N N E R . A ll
rig h t,
th a n k
y o u
v e ry
m uch.
T E S T IM O N Y
O F
D E N N IS
H Y M A N
O F S T E IN
T h e
te s tim o n y
o f
D e n n is
H ym an
O fs te in
w as
ta k e n
a t
2 p.m .,
o n
M a rc h
3 0 ,
1 9 6 4 , in
th e
office of the
U .S . a tto rn e y ,
301 Post
O f f l c e B u ild in g ,
B ry a n
a n d
E rv a y
S tre e ts ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
b y
M r.
A lb e rt
E .
J e n n e r,
J r.,
a s s is ta n t
c o u n s e l
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n .
R o b e rt
T . D a v is ,
a s s is ta n t
a tto rn e y
g e n e ra l
of Texas,
w as
p re s e n t.
M r.
JE N X E B .
I
a m
A lb e rt
E. Jenner,
J r.,
c o u n s e l
fo r
th e
C o m m is s io n ,
a n d
th is
is
M iss
O liv e r.
W o u ld
y o u
ris e
a n d
be sworn?
D o
y o u
p ro m is e
o n
th is
d e p o s itio n
w h ic h
I
a m
a b o u t
to
ta k e
o f
y o u
to
te ll
th e
w h o le
tru th
a n d
n o th in g
b u t
th e
tru th ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
J E N N E R . M is s
O liv e r,
th is
is
D e n n is
H ym an
O fs te in
[s p e llin g ]
D -e -n -n -i-s
H -y -m -a -n
O -f-s-t-e -i-n .
Is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JENNEB. And
M r.
O fs te in ,
y o u
re c e iv e d ,
d id
y o u ,
a
le tte r
fro m
M r.
R a n k in ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
J E N N E R . G e n e ra l
c o u n s e l
fo r
th e
C o m m is s io n ,
w ith
w h ic h
w e re
e n c lo s e d
th re e
d o c u m e n ts ,
a copy
o f E x e c u tiv e
O rd e r
1 1 1 3 0
c re a tin g
th e
C o m m is s io n
to
in v e s tig a te
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
o f P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y .
M r.
O ~ ~ T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R . That
is
a n
o rd e r
of the
P re s id e n t
of the
U n ite d
S ta te s ,
L y n d o n
B .
J o h n s o n .
T h e re
is
a
c o p y
o f
S e n a te
J o in t
R e s o lu tio n
1 3 7 , a u th o riz in g
th e
c re a tio n
o f
th e
C o m m is s io n
a n d
a copy
of the
ru le s
o f p ro c e d u re
o f
th e
C o m m is s in n
w h ic h
w e
a d o p t.
M r.
O F E T E IN .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
JENNER. And
y o u
a p p e a r
v o lu n ta rily ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R . The
C o m m is s io n ,
a s
y o u
h a v e
le a rn e d ,
fro m
th o s e
d o c u m e n ts ,
is
in v e s tig a tin g
a ll
o f
th e
fa c ts
a n d
c irc u m s ta n c e s
s u rro u n d in g
th e
a s s a s s in a -
tio n
o f
P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y ,
a n d
to
g iv e
p a rtic u la r
a tte n tio n
to
L e e
H a rv e y
O s w a ld
a n d
a n y b o d y
w ho
h a d
a n y
c o n ta c t
w ith
h im
d u rin g
h is
life tim e .
It
is
o u r
in fo rm a tio n
th a t
y o u
h a d
som e
c o n ta c t
w ith
h im ,
o r
w ith
p e o p le
w ho
h a d
c o n ta c t
w ith
h im .
T h e
C o m m is s io n
is
in te re s te d
in
th a t
c o n ta c t,
a n d
I
w o u ld
lik e
to a s k
y o u
q u e s tio n s
a b o u t
it,
i f
I may.
M r.
O F S T E IN .
V e ry
w e ll,
s ir,
M r.
J E N N E R . F irs t,
te ll
m e
a
little
b it
a b o u t
y o u rs e lf.
A re
y o u
a
fo rm e r
s e r v ic e m a n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
JENNER. And
w h a t
b ra n c h
o f s e rv ic e
d id
y o u
s e rv e ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
w as
in
th e
A rm y ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E B .
A n d
w h e n
d id
y o u
g o
in
a n d
w h e n
w e re
y o u
d is c h a rg e d ?
M r.
O F B T E IN .
I
w e n t
in
in
A u g u s t,
I
b e lie v e ,
in
1 9 5 7 ,
a n d
I
w as
d is c h a rg e d
N o v e m b e r
1 9 6 0 .
M r.
JE N N E R . That
w as
a n
h o n o ra b le
d is c h a rg e ,
I
assum e?
1 9 4
M r.
O F S T E IX .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
A nd
do
you
re s id e
in
D a lla s
or
F o rt
W o rth ?
M r.
O F S T F X N .
I
re s id e
in
D a lla s
a t
th e
present
tim e .
M r.
JE N R E R .
A re
you
a
n a tiv e
o f
D a lla s ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
N o,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
W hat
is
your
hom e
to w n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
re s id e
in
D a lla s
a t
th e
present
tim e ;
I
w as
b o rn
in
S t.
L o u is
and
I
have
liv e d
in
F lo rid a
fo r
th e
m ost
p a rt
o f
m y
life .
M r.
JE N N E R .
A nd
a re
you
a
m a rrie d
m an?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E T L
H ow
lo n g
have
you
liv e d
in
D a lla s ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
A p p ro x im a te ly
3
ye a rs.
M r.
JE K N E R .
T h a t
w o u ld
ta k e
us
back
in to
X X -in
any
e v e n t?
M r.
O F ~ T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
A nd
w h a t
has
been
th e
n a tu re
o f
your
b u s in e s s ,
o c c u p a tio n ,
e m p lo y m e n t,
p ro fe s s io n
or
v o c a tio n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
F o r
th e
p a st
2
ye a rs
I
have
been
w ith
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll
as
a
cam eram an.
M r.
JE N N E R .
A s
a
cam eram an?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
W hat
w as
your
w o rk
im m e d ia tly
p rio r
to
th a t,
by
w h o m
w e re
you
e m p lo y e d ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
w as
w o rk in g
fo r
S in c la ir
R e tln in g
C o.
a t
a
lo c a l
se rvice
s ta tio n .
M r.
JE N N E R .
H e re
in
D a lla s ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
D id
you
becom e
a c q u a in te d
w ith
Lee
H arvey
O s w a ld
a t
any
tim e
d u rin g
h is
life tim e ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
H e re
in
D a lla s ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
S ta rt
a t
th e
ve ry
b e g in n in g ,
and
in
your
ow n
w o rd s
te ll
th e
c irc u m s ta n c e s
under
w h ic h
th a t
a c q u a in ta n c e
a ro se .
M r.
O F S T E IN .
W e ll;
it
w as
w hen
he
becam e
e m p lo y e d
by
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll
as
a
cam eram an
tra in e e
and
he
w as
in
th e
sam e
d e p a rtm e n t
I
w as
and
due
to
th e
fa c t
th a t
I
had
w o rke d
th e re
and
kn e w
a
little
b it
about
th e
jo b ,
I
w a s-a s
w e ll
as
everyone
e ls e
dow n
th e re -e x p e c te d
to
h e lp
h im
and
m ore
or
le s s -
n o t
su p e rvise ,
b u t
k in d
o f
keep
m y
eye
on
h im
and
h e lp
h im
a lo n g .
M r.
JE N N E R .
W hat
is
your
a g e ,
by
th e
w a y?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
a m
2 4 .
M r.
JE N N E R .
Y ou
w e re
b o rn
in
1940?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
1939,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E K
1939,
and
M r.
O s w a ld \u2019s
b irth
d a te
w as
O c to b e r
1 8 ,
1939,
you-
so
you
w e re
th e
sam e
age?
M r.
O F S T E IS .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
Y ou
w e re
a lre a d y
e m p lo y e d
by
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll
w hen
Lee
O s w a ld
cam e
th e re ,
w e re
you?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
G iv e
m e
your
b e st
re c o lle c tio n
as
to
w hen
th a t
w a s?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
It
seem s
lik e
it
w as
O c to b e r
or
N ovem ber
1962.
M r.
JE N N E R .
I
have
h is
e m p lo y m e n t
ca rd
h e re -O c to b e r
1 2 ,
1 9 6 2 --d o e s
th a t
so rt
o f
sq u a re
w ith
your
re c o lle c tio n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir;
ro u g h ly .
M r.
JE N N E R .
H ad
you
had
any
p rio r
e x p e rie n c e
as
a
cam eram an
w hen
you
becam e
e m p lo y e d
by
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
N o,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
Y ou
a re
s till
e m p lo y e d
by
th e m ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
Y ou
w e re
in itia lly
a
tra in e e
as
w e ll
as
O s w a ld ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E a.
A nd
h o w
d id
you
becom e
e m p lo y e d
th e re ?
1 9 5
M r.
O F S T F X N .
I
w as
la id
o ff
b y
S in c la ir
R e fin in g
C o.
a n d
I
re g is te re d
w ith
th e
T e x a s
E m p lo y m e n t
C o m m is s io n .
M r.
JE N N E B .
D id
a n yb o d y
in
p a rtic u la r
h a n d le
th a t
o ve r
th e re
a t
th e
C o m m is s io n ?
M r.
O F S T E IP I\u2019.
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll
w ho
th e
p e rs o n
w as
a t
th e
tim e .
M r.
JE N N E R .
A
la d y
o r
a
g e n tle m a n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I\u2019m
fa irly
c e rta in
it
w as
a
yo u n g
la d y
a n d
th e y
s e n t
m e
to
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll.
M r.
JE N N E R .
D o e s
th e
nam e
L a th a m -L o u is e
L a \u2019th a m
trig g e r
a n y
re c o lle c tio n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
T h e
nam e
is
fa m ilia r-w h e th e r
s h e
w as
th e re
o r
n o t-1
d o n \u2019t
kn o w .
M r.
JE N N E R .
Is
th a t
nam e
fa m ilia r
in
c o n n e c tio n
w ith
th e
T e x a s
E m p lo y m e n t
C o m m is s io n ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
A ll
rig h t.
I
in te rru p te d
yo u -g o
a h e a d .
M r.
O F ~ T E IN .
I
w as
s e n t
th e re ---
M r.
JE N N E B .
A n d
w ith
w h o m
d id
yo u
ta lk
w h e n
yo u
cam e
th e re ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
w as
th e re
e a rly
fo r
th e
a p p o in tm e n t
a n d
I
ta lk e d
to
L e o n a rd
C a lv e rly ,
w ho
w as
th e
d a y tim e
fo re m a n
in
th e
cam era
d e p a rtm e n t,
a n d
h e
s h o w e d
m e
a ro u n d
th e
p la c e ,
a n d
h e
ta lk e d
to
m e
a n d
to ld
m e
th e
fin a l
d e c is io n
w o u ld
b e
u p
to
M r.
G ra e f.
M r.
JE N N E R .
T h a t\u2019s
G -r-a -e -f
[s p e llin g ]
?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E B .
H e
is
h e a d
o f
w h a t?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
H e
is
a
s u p e rv is o r
in
c h a rg e
o f
th e
cam era
d e p a rtm e n t,
a n d
I
ta lk e d
w ith
h im
a t
a p p ro x im a te ly
9
o \u2019c lo c k
a n d
h e
seem ed
s a tis fie d -h e
w o u ld
g iv e
m e
a
try
a s
a
tra in e e ,
a n d
w a n te d
to
kn o w
w h e n
I
c o u ld
com e
to
w o rk,
a n d
I
to ld
h im
th a t
m o rn in g
a n d
I
w e n t
to
w o rk
im m e d ia te ly .
M r.
JE N N E R .
H ad
yo u
h a d
a n y
e x p e rie n c e
in
th e
u s e
o f
cam eras?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
N ot
in
th e
sam e
ty p e
o f
cam era*no,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
W hat
e x p e rie n c e
h a d
yo u
h a d
in
cam era
w o rk?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
It
h a d
b e e n
s tric tly
p le a s u re
p h o to g ra p h y
w ith
s m a lle r
cam eras.
M r.
JE N N E R .
H ad
yo u
d o n e
a n y
d e v e lo p in g
w o rk?
M r.
O F -N .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E X .
Y o u
h a d
h a d
som e
d a rk ro o m
e x p e rie n c e ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E B .
V e ry
m uch?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
N ot
a
w h o le
lo t-n o ,
s ir.
M r.
J~ N E B .
D id
e ith e r
o f
th e s e
g e n tle m e n
in q u ire
o f
yo u
a a
to
yo u r
e x-
p e rie n c e
in
th a t
d ire c tio n ?
8 M r.
O F S T E IN .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
JE N N E R .
B o th
o f
th e m ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll-I
kn o w
th a t
M r.
G ra d
d id < .
M r.
JE N N E R .
W h a \u2019t
k in d
o f
p h o to g ra p h y
w o rk
d o e s
J a g g a rs -C h ile s -S to v a ll
d o ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
It\u2019s
s tric tly
c o m m e rc ia l-a d v e rtis in g
ty p e
o f
p h o to g ra p h y .
W e
m ake
p o s te rs
a n d
p o s te r
e ffe c ts
a n d
d iffe re n t
ty p e s
o f
e ffe c ts
fo r
d iffe re n t
a d -
v e rtis in g
m e d ia -n e w s p a p e r,
m a g a z in e s ,
a n d
s o
fo rth -b illb o a rd s .
M r.
JW NER.
W hat
k in d
o f
cam eras
a re
e m p lo y e d ?
M r.
O F B T E IN .
I\u2019m
n o t
s u re
o f
th e
b ra n d
nam es
w e
h a ve .
M r.
JE N N E R .
I\u2019m
th in k in g
m ore
o f
th e
s iz e ,
w e ig h q t,
w h e th e r
th e y
a re
p o rta b le
o r
a re n \u2019t
p o rta b le ,
o r
w h e th e r
th e y
a re
tlx e d
o r
a re n \u2019t
flx e d .
M r.
O F S T F X N .
T h e y
a re
fix e d ,
th e y
m ove
o n
a
tra c k
to
d e te rm in e
th e
s iz e
o f
th e
c o p y
th a t
is
p h o to g ra p h e d ,
a n d
th e y
h a ve
fix e d
m o u n te d
le n s e s
in
th e
w a lls .
M r.
JE N N E R .
A n d
yo u
m ove
fro m
o n e
le n s
to
a n o th e r,
is
th a t
th e
w a y?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
N o,
s ir;
yo u
m ount
th e
c o p y
to
b e
p h o to g ra p h e d
o n
th e
b o a rd
a n d
yo u
m ove
th a t
b o a rd ,
a n d
th e
b o a rd
th a t
yo u
p u t
yo u r
fllm
o n -to
g e t
it
d iffe re n t
s iz e s .
M r.
JE N N E R .
W hat
is
th e
c h a ra c te r
o f
th e
tra in in g ?
M r.
O F S T E IN .
M a in ly
th e y
s ta rt
yo u
o u t
w ith
d o in g
s m a ll
jo b s -ju s t
n o rm a l-
w h a t
w e
c a ll
s tra ig h t
s h o ts .
It
a m o u n ts
to
g e ttin g
a
s iz e
a n d
p h o to g ra p h in g
it
a n d
d e v e lo p in g
it,
o p a q u in g
th e
n e g a tiv e s ,
a n d
m a k in g
n ic e
c le a n
p rin ts ,
a n d
th e n
a s
yo u
p ro g re s s
yo u
d o
m ore
d \u2019iffic u lt
ty p e
w o rk.
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