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in te re s te d
in ,
w h e th e r
I
h a v e
a s k e d
y o u
a b o u t
it
o r
h a v e n \u2019t
a s k e d
y o u ,
I
w o u ld
a p p re c ia te
it
i f
y o u
w o u ld
in d ic a te
th a t.
M r.
S M IT H .
W e ll,
I d o n \u2019t
th in k
I have
a th in g
in
th e
w o rld ,
b e c a u s e
a c tu a lly
I
d id n \u2019t
k n o w
O s w a ld
o r
h is
w ife ,
e ith e r
o n e .
I
d o n \u2019t
e v e r
re m e m b e r
s e e in g
th e m .
A n d
I
d o
w a n t
to
te ll
y o u
th is .
A t
th e
tim e
P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y
w as
a s s a s -
s in a te d ,
I
th o u g h t
th is
w om an
w ho
liv e d
o n
F ifth
S tre e t,
rig h t
a fte r
it
h a p
p e n e d ,
I
th o u g h t
th a t
w as
h is
w ife
s im p ly
b e c a u s e
o f
h e r
s a y in g
th a t
th is
c h ild
s p o k e
R u s s ia n
a n d
th e
p o lic e
a rre s te d
O s w a ld ,
a n d
I
fig u re d
in
m y
ow n
m in d
th a t
th is
w as
h is
w ife ,
b u t
it
tu rn e d
o u t
d iffe re n tly ,
a n d
th a t
is
th e
o n ly
th in g
th a t
I
le a rn e d
a b o u t.
M r.
L IE ~ E L E R .
P o u
le a rn e d
th a t
it w a s n \u2019t
th is
la d y \u2019s
h u s b a n d
th a t
w as
in v o lv e d ,
b y
re a d in g
th e
n e w s p a p e rs ,
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S M IT H .
Y e s ,
s ir;
a n d
a s
fa r
a s
i f
th is
la d y
th a t
liv e d
o n
F ifth
S tre e t
h a d
a husband,
I have
n e v e r
s e e n
a man
a ro u n d
th e re
a t
a ll,
a n d
I
h a v e
n e v e r
seen a man
w ith
h e r.
O rd in a rily ,
ju s t
hum an
n a tu re
w o u ld
c a u s e
a man
a n d
h is
w ife
to
b e
to g e th e r
s o m e tim e .
M r.
L IE B E Z L E R . B u t
y o u
h a v e
n e v e r
s e e n
th is
la d y
w ith
h e r
h u s b a n d ?
M r.
S M IT H .
I have
n e v e r
s e e n
h e r
w ith
a man.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . I
w a n t
to
th a n k
y o u
v e ry
m uch,
M r.
S m ith ,
fo r
c o m in g
in ,
I
a p p re c ia te
it.
M r.
S M IT H .
I
w is h
th e re
w as
s o m e th in g
I c o u ld
do, but
I
d o n \u2019t
k n o w
a th in g
in
th e
w o rld
I
c o u ld
h e lp
y o u
w ith ,
I b e lie v e .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
T h a n k
y o u .
I a p p re c ia te
it
v e ry
m uch.
T E S T IM O N Y
O F
W .
W .
S E M IN G S E N
T h e
te s tim o n y
of W.
W .
S e m in g s e n
w as
ta k e n
a t
11 a.m., on
M a rc h
31, 1964,
in
th e
o ffic e
o f
th e
U .S .
a tto rn e y ,
3 0 1
P o s t
O ffic e
B u ild in g ,
B ry a n
a n d
E rv a y
S tre e ts ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
b y
M r.
W e s le y
J . L ie b e le r,
a s s is ta n t
c o u n s e l
of the
P re s i-
d e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n .
M r.
L IB E L E R .
P le a s e
ris e
a n d
ra is e
y o u r
rig h t
h a n d .
D o
y o u
s o le m n ly
s w e a r
th a t
th e
te s tim o n y
y o ti
a re
a b o u t
to
g iv e
w ill
b e
th e
tru th ,
th e
w h o le
tru th ,
a n d
n o th in g
b u t
th e
tru th ,
s o h e lp
y o u
G od?
M r.
S E M IN G B E N .
I do.
M r.
L IE B E L F R . P le a s e
b e s e a te d .
M r.
S e m in g s e n
m y
nam e
is
W e s le y
J . L ie b e -
le r.
I
a m
a
m em ber
o f
th e
le g a l
s ta ff
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
w h ic h
has been
a p p o in te d
to
in v e s tig a te
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
o f P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y .
T h e
staff counsel
h a v e
b e e n
a u th o riz e d
b y
th e
C o m m is s io n
to
ta k e
te s tim o n y
p u rs u -
a n t
to
a u th o rity
g ra n te d
to
th e
C o m m is s io n
b y
E x e c u tiv e
O rd e r
1 1 1 3 0 ,
d a te d
N o v e m b e r
2 9 ,1 9 6 3 ,
a n d
jo in t
re s o lu tio n
of Congress
No. 137.
I
b e lie v e
th a t
M r.
R a n k in
w ro te
y o u
a le tte r
la s t
w e e k
te llin g
y o u
w e
w o u ld
be in
to u c h
w ith
y o u
to
ta k e
y o u r
te s tim o n y ,
a n d
h e
s e n t
th a t
le tte r
a lo n g
w ith
c o p ie s
o f
th e
E x e c u tiv e
o rd e r
a n d
jo in t
re s o lu tio n
o f
C o n g re s s ,
a s
w e ll
a s
a
c o p y
of the
C o m m is s io n \u2019s
ru le s
o f p ro c e d u re
re la tin g
to
th e
ta k in g
o f te s tim o n y
is
th a t
n o t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S E M IN O B E N . Y e s ; I re c e iv e d
M r.
R a n k in \u2019s
le tte r.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W e
w a n t
to
in q u ire
o f
y o u
to d a y
c o n c e rn in g
th e
p o s s ib ility
th a t
L e e
H a rv e y
O s w a ld
re c e iv e d
m oney
o rd e r
te le g ra m s
th ro u g h
th e
o ffic e s
o f W e s te rn
U n io n
h e re
in
D a lla s ,
o r
p o s s ib ly
in
F o rt
W o rth
o r
Irv in g ,
a n d
a ls o
b rie fly
a s
to
a money
o rd e r
te le g ra m
s e n t
b y
J a c k
R u b y
to
a n
a s s o c ia te
o f
h is
o n
N o v e m b e r
2 4 ,
1 9 6 3 .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
B e fo re
w e
g e t
in to
th e
d e ta ils
o f
th a t,
w o u ld
y o u
s ta te
y o u r
fu ll
nam e
fo r
th e
re c o rd ?
M r.
S E M IN G B E N . M y
nam e
is
W. W.
S e m in g s e n .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . B y
w h o m
a re
y o u
e m p lo y e d ,
s ir?
M r.
S E M IN G B E N .
T h e
W e s te rn
U n io n
T e le g ra p h
C o.
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
In
w h a t
c a p a c ity
a re
y o u
e m p lo y e d ?
4 0 5
M r.
S E M IN O S E N .
A s
v ic e
p re s id e n t,
G u lf
D iv is io n ,
h e a d q u a rte rs ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W hat
is
th e
n a tu re
of your
d u tie s
w ith
th e
W e s te rn
U n io n
C o.
in
th a t
p o s itio n ?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
T h e y
a re
a d m in is tra tiv e
a n d
e x e c u tiv e
in
c a p a c ity .
I
h a v e
ju ris d ic tio n
o v e r
th e
o p e ra tio n s
in
e ig h t
o f
th e
G u lf
D iv is io n
s ta te s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W hat
a re
th o s e
S ta te s ?
M r.
S E M IN C S E N .
T e x a s ,
N ew
M e x ic o ,
C o lo ra d o ,
K a n s a s ,
M is s o u ri,
A rk a n s a s ,
O k la h o m a ,
a n d
L o u is ia n a .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
In
y o u r
c a p a c ity
a s
v ic e
p re s id e n t
o f
th e
G u lf
D iv is io n ,
a re
y o u
g e n e ra lly
fa m ilia r
w ith
th e
re c o rd k e e p in g
p ro c e d u re s ,
th e
m anner
in
w h ic h
re c o rd s
o f te le g ra m s
sent or
re c e iv e d
a re
k e p t
b y th e
com pany?
M r.
S E M IN ~ S E N .
Y e s :
I
am .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . Y o u
a re
n o t
in
d ire c t
s u p e rv is io n
of the
re c o rd k e e p in g
p ro c e d u re ?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
N o;
I
a m
n o t.
T h a t
is
d e le g a te d
to
v a rio u s
s u p e rv is o ry
e m p lo y e e s .
M r.
L IE R E L F & .
B u t
in
y o u r
c a p a c ity
a s
v ic e
p re s id e n t,
y o u
a re
th o ro u g h ly
fa m ilia r
w ith
th e
w ay
re c o rd s
a re
k e p t
b y th e
com pany?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
Y e s .
I
d o
h a v e
k n o w le d g e
o f
re c o rd k e e p in g ,
g e n e ra l
k n o w l-
e d g e
o f
re c o rd k e e p in g .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . In
a n tic ip a tio n
of the
fa c t
th a t
y o u r
te s tim o n y
w o u ld
b e ta k e n
b y
th e
C o m m is s io n ,
y o u
h a v e
p re p a re d
a s ta te m e n t
w h ic h
is
d a te d
M a rc h
3 0 ,
1 9 5 4 , w h ic h
c o n s is ts
of five pages
re la tin g
to
th e
e ffo rts
m ade
b y
W e s te rn
U n io n
in
in v e s tig a tin g
th e
p o s s ib ility
th a t
m oney
o rd e rs
p a y a b le
to
O s w a ld
o r
h is
a lia s ,
0 .
H .
L e e
a n d
A le k
Jam es
H id e ll,
m ay
h a v e
b e e n
re c e iv e d
in
th e
D a lla s
o r
F o rt
W o rth
o r
Irv in g
o ffic e
o f
W e s te rn
U n io n ?
A n d
a ls o
re la tin g
to
te le -
g ra m s
s e n t
o r
re c e iv e d
b y
J a c k
R u b y
d u rin g
c e rta in
in d ic a te d
p e rio d s ;
is
th a t
n o t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S E M IN B S E N .
T h a t
is
c o rre c t.
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
I w o u ld
lik e
to
m ark
th a t
docum ent
a s
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1 .
I
h a v e
m a rk e d
th e
m e m o ra n d u m
re c e iv e d
a s
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1
o n
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
W .
W .
S e m in g s e n ,
M a rc h
3 1 ,
1 9 6 4 ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
a n d
h a v e
in itia le d
it,
a n d
I will
a s k
y o u
a ls o
to in itia l
it, if you would,
M r.
S e m in g s e n .
(W itn e s s
in itia ls
a n d
s ig n s
o n
p a g e
5 .)
M r.
L IE B E L E R . A m
I
c o rre c t
in
u n d e rs ta n d in g
th a t
y o u
d id
p re p a re
th is
re p o rt
in
a n tic ip a tio n
o f g iv in g
te s tim o n y
to the
C o m m is s io n ?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N . Y e s ;
I
d id ,
in
th e
in te re s t
o f
e x p e d itin g
th e
te s tim o n y .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A n d
y o u
a re
th o ro u g h ly
fa m ilia r
w ith
th e
m a tte rs
s e t
fo rth
in
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1 ,
a re
y o u
n o t?
M r.
S E M IN ~ S E N .
Y e s ;
I
am .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
T h e
m a te ria l
set forth
in
th a t
m e m o ra n d u m
is true
a n d
c o rre c t,
to
th e
best of your
k n o w le d g e ,
is it
n o t?
M r.
S E M IN O S E N . Y e s ;
it
is .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
W e
s h o u ld
n o te
fo r
th e
re c o rd
th a t
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1
h a s
in
th e
le ft-h a n d
m a rg in
c e rta in
n u m e ra ls
w h ic h
I
h a v e
p la c e d
th e re
ru n n in g
fro m
1
th ro u g h
7 , w h ic h
re fe rs
to
a tta c h m e n ts
to
th e
e x h ib it,
w h ic h ,
in
e ffe c t, fo rm
a
p a rt
of the
m e m o ra n d u m .
A n d ,
y o u
h a v e
m arked,
h a v e
y o u
n o t,
th e
e x h ib its
ru n n in g
1 th ro u g h
7 w h ic h
y o u
in te n d
s h o u ld
be a
p a rt
of the
m e m o ra n d u m ;
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S E M IN O S E N . Y e s ; th a t
is c o rre c t.
M r.
L IE B E L E B . T h e
a tta c h m e n ts
to
th e
e x h ib it,
w h ic h
a re
n u m b e re d
1 th ro u g h
7 , a re
p h o to s ta tic
c o p ie s
of the
o rig in a ls
o f
c e rta in
d o c u m e n ts ,
o r
o f c o p ie s
o f
c e rta in
d o c u m e n ts
w h ic h
y o u
re ta in
in
y o u r
p o s s e s s io n ,
a s
a re
d e s c rib e d
in
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1 ;
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
T h a t
is
c o rre c t.
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
I re fe r
s p e c ific a lly
to
th e
ite m
m a rk e d
\u201cA tta c h m e n t
1 to
E x h ib it
3 0 0 1 ,\u201d
w h ic h
c o n s is ts
o f p h o to s ta tic
c o p ie s
o f fo u r
s e p a ra te
d o c u m e n ts .
P le a s e
id e n tify
for the
re c o rd
th e
firs t
o n e o f th o s e
d o c u m e n ts .
M r.
S E M IN C S E N . T h e
firs t
o n e
o f
th e
d o c u m e n ts
o n
p a g e
1 of the
a tta c h m e n t
is
th e
o rig in a l
m oney
o rd e r
a p p lic a tio n
p re p a re d
a n d
file d
b y
J a c k
R u b y
in
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
o n
N o v e m b e r
24, 1963,
a t
1 1 :1 7
a .m .,
a s
n o te d
b y
th e
a \u2019u to m a tic
tim e
s ta m p
s h o w n
o n th e
a p p lic a tio n .
M r.
L I~ B E L E R .
W e
w ill
m ark
th a t
a s E x h ib it
N o.
5118, and
n o te
fo r
th e
re c o rd
4 0 6
th a t
w e
a re
m a rk in g
th e s e
a t
th e
re q u e s t
o f
M r.
H u b e rt,
w ho
h a s
th e
re s p o n s i-
b ility
fo r
a re a
5
o f
th e
in v e s tig a tio n ,
re la tin g
to
M r.
R u b y.
I
h a ve
m arked
th e
docum ent
re fe rre d
to
a s
E x h ib it
5 1 1 8
o n
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
M r.
W .
W .
S e m in g s e n ,
M arch
3 1 ,
1 9 6 4 ,
in
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
a n d
h a ve
in itia le d
it,
a n d
a s k
yo u
to
in itia l
it
a ls o ,
if
yo u
w o u ld ,
M r.
S e m in g s e n .
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
[In itia ls .]
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
T h e
n e xt
docum ent
fo rm in g
a
p a rt
o f
a tta c h m e n t
N o.
1
to
E x h ib it
3 9 9 1 ,
is
w h a t,
M r.
S e m in g s e n ?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
It
is
th e
d u p lic a te
o r
c a rb o n
c o p y
o f
th e
o rig in a l
m oney
o rd e r
re c e ip t
g iv e n
to
J a c k
R u b y
a t
th e
tim e
h e
file d
th e
m oney
o rd e r
a p p li-
c a tio n .
T h e
o rig in a l
o f
th is
re c e ip t
w as
g iv e n
to
M r.
R u b y
a n d
fo u n d
in
h is
p o s s e s s io n
b y
th e
p o lic e
a t
th e
tim e
o f
h is
a rre s t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W e
w ill
m ark
th e
c o p y
w h ic h
yo u
h a ve
ju s t
d e s c rib e d
a s
E x h ib it
5 1 1 9
o n
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
M r.
W .
W .
S e m in g s e n ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
M arch
3 1 ,
1 9 6 4 .
[A ls o
in tro d u c e d
a s
L a n e
E x h ib its
N o s .
5 1 1 8
a n d
5 1 1 9 .1
I
h a ve
in itia le d
th e
c o p y
w h ic h
yo u
h a ve
ju s t
d e s c rib e d ,
a n d
a s k
th a t
yo u
a ls o
in itia l
it,
p le a s e .
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
[In itia ls .]
I
h a ve
s o
d o n e .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
T h e
n e xt
docum ent
fo rm in g
a
p a rt
o f
a tta c h m e n t
N o.
1
to
E x h ib it
3 9 9 1 ,
is
w h a t,
s ir?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
T h is
is
th e
o rig in a l
m oney
o rd e r
re c e ip t,
s h o w in g
th e
s ig n a -
tu re
o f
th e
m oney
o rd e r
p a y a b le
to
K a re n
B e n n e tt
a t
F o rt
W o rth ,
T e x .,
o n
N o-
vem ber
2 4 ,
1 9 6 3 .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
I
h a ve
m arked
th e
th ird
docum ent
to
w h ic h
w e
ju s t
re fe rre d
a s
E x h ib it
5 1 2 0
o n
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
M r.
W .
W .
S e m in g s e n ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
M arch
3 1 ,
1 9 9 4 ,
a n d
h a ve
in itia le d
it.
I
n o tic e
th a t
yo u
h a ve
a lre a d y
in itia le d
th a t
e x h ib it
; is
th a t
n o t
c o rre c t,
M r.
S e m in g s e n ?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
Y e s .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
T h e
n e xt
docum ent
fo rm in g
a
p a rt
o f
a tta c h m e n t
N o.
1
to
E x h ib it
3 9 9 1 ,
is
w h a t,
s ir?
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
T h a t
is
a
c o p y
o f
th e
o rig in a l
m oney
o rd e r
m essage
re c e iv e d
in
F o rt
W o rth
a u th o riz in g
th e
paym ent
o f
th e
m oney
to
th e
p a ye e .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W e
w ill
m ark
th a t
te le g ra m
a s
5 1 2 1
o n
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
M r.
W .
W .
S e m in g s e n ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
M arch
3 1 ,
1 9 6 4 .
I
h a ve
in itia le d
it
a n d
a s k
yo u ,
s ir,
to
d o
th e
sam e.
[A ls o
in tro d u c e d
a s
S tro n g
E x h ib its
N o s .
5 1 2 0
a n d
5 1 2 1 .1
M r.
S E M IN Q S E N .
[In itia ls .]
A n d
I
h a ve
s o
d o n e .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
O n
p a g e
1
o f
yo u r
m em orandum ,
E x h ib it
3 C 9 1 ,
yo u
in d ic a te
th a t
a
s e a rc h
o f
yo u r
re c o rd s
in
th e
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
o ffic e
s h o w
th a t
n o
m oney
o rd e rs
p a y a b le
to
L e e
H a rve y
O s w a ld
o r
h is
a lia s e s ,
0 .
H .
L e e
o r
A le k
Jam es
H id e ll,
w e n t
th ro u g h
th a t
o ffic e
d u rin g
th e
p e rio d
J u n e
th ro u g h
N o ve m b e r
1 9 6 3 3 ;
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
T h a t
is
c o rre c t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W o u ld
yo u
te ll
u s
h o w
yo u
cam e
to
th a t
c o n c lu s io n ?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
A
s e a rc h
w as
m ade
o f
o u r
\u201cR e c e iv e d
m oney
o rd e r
file \u201d
fo r
th e
p e rio d
m e n tio n e d
b y
s u p e rv is o ry
e m p lo y e e s ,
a n d
n o
\u201cR e c e iv e d
m oney
o rd e rs \u201d
w e re
fo u n d .
T h e
\u201cR e c e iv e d
m oney
o rd e rs \u201d
a re
file d
in
d a te
o rd e r.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
Is
it
a
fa c t,
M r.
S e m in g s e n ,
th a t
th e
re c e iv in g
o ffic e
o f
yo u r
c o m p a n y -in
th is
c a s e ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .-a c tu a lly
k e e p s
re c o rd s
s h o w in g
th e
re c e ip t
o f
m oney
o rd e rs
p a y a b le
to
a n y
p e rs o n
w ho
re c e iv e d
m oney
o rd e rs
th ro u g h
th a t
o ffic e ?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
Y e s
; th a t\u2019s
c o rre c t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W ho
is s u e d
in s tru c tio n s
th a t
th is
s e a rc h
b e
m ade?
M r.
S E M IN G S E N .
I
is s u e d
th e
in s tru c tio n s
a t
th e
re q u e s t
o f
th e
F B I.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A re
yo u
p e rs o n a lly
s a tis fie d
th a t
th e
s e a rc h
w as
c a rrie d
o u t
in
a
th o ro u g h
m anner
a n d
th a t
th e re
a re
in
fa c t
n o
re c o rd s
in
th e
p o s s e s s io n
o f
th e
W e s te rn
U n io n
T e le g ra p h
C o.
th a t
w o u ld
in d ic a te
th a t
a n y
m oney
o rd e rs
p a y a b le
in
th e
nam es
m e n tio n e d
a b o ve
d u rin g
th e
p e rio d
J u n e
th ro u g h
N ovem -
b e r
1 9 6 3 ,
e x is t?
M r.
S E M IN O S E N .
I
a m
s a tis fie d
th a t
a
ve ry
th o ro u g h
s e a rc h
w as
m ade
b y
c o m p e te n t
s u p e rv is o ry
p e rs o n n e l
w ho
a re
fa m ilia r
w ith
o u r
re c o rd s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A n d
yo u
a re
in
fa c t
s a tis fie d
th a t
th e re
a re
n o
re c o rd s
in
th e
p o s s e s s io n
o f
yo u r
com pany
th a t
w o u ld
in d ic a te
th a t
m oney
o rd e r
te le g ra m s
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