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T E S T IM O S Y
O F
LA U R A N C E
R .
W IL C O X
T h e
te s tim o n y
o f I,a n ra n ~ r
R . W ilc o x
n -a s ta k e u
at 2 1,. m ., on Marrh
3 1 . l!M X
in
th e
o ffic ?
o f
th e
T .S .
a tto rn e y ,
3 0 1
P o s t
O ffic e
R n ild in g ,
B ry a n
a n d
E rv a y
S trtle ts ,
D a lla s ,
\u2018I\u2019r s .,
1 )~
M r.
W e s 1 e .r
.J . L irh e lc r.
n s s is tiln t
c ~ o u lls e l
o f
th e
I\u2019re s itlrn t\u2019s
~ \u2018o m m is s io n .
M r.
L IE IIE L E R .
T ie fo re
I
s ta rt,
I
w a n t
to
s w tla r
y o u
in
a s a w itn e s s .
D o
s o u
s o le n rn ly
s w e a r
th a t
th r
trs tim o n g
y o u
a re
a b o u t
to
c iv e
w ill
III? the
tru th .
th e
w h o le
tru th .
a n d
n o th in ::
b u t
th e
tru th ,
so
h e ll>
y o u
G od?
1 1 1 ..
w 1 1 .c 0 s .
I
d o .
;\Ir .
L IE IIE L E R .
1 Ir.
W il(2 0 s .
m y
n a ii~ e
is
W e s le y
,J . L ic b rle r.
I
a m
a
m em ber
o f th e le g a l
s t a f f o f th c h (\u2018o m m is s io n
a lrp o in te d
1 )~ P re s ic lrn t
.J o h n s o n
to in \-c b s tig a te
th r
a s s a s s in a tio n
of I\u2019resitlrnt
K e n n e d y .
S ta ff
~ o u iis rl
h a v e
b e e n
a u th o riz e d
to
ta k e
th e
te s tin lo n y
o f
w itn e s s rs
b .v
th r
C \u2019o n n n is s io n
p llrs u a n t
to
a u th o rity
g ra n te d
to
th e
(\u2018o m m is s io n
u n d e r
E s e c u -
tir e
O rd e r
1 1 1 3 0 .
tla te tl
S o re m b rr
2 9 , 1 9 G .1 . a n d
J o in t
R rs o ln tio n
o f
C o n g re s s
S o.
1 :X 7 .
T h e
C o m ln is s io n
ru le s
o f p ro c e d u re
re q u ire
th a t
c q lie s
o f th a t
E s e c u tiv e
o rd e r
a n d
th e
c ~ o n g re 4 o n a l
re s o lu tio n .
a s w e ll
a s
c o p ie s
o f
th e
~ \u2018o miiii s s io n \u2019s :
ru le s
a n d
p ro c e d u re s
re la tin g
to
th e
ta k in g
o f te s tim o n y
b e p ro v id e d
to
e a c h
w itn e s s
1 ,rio r
to
th e
tim e
h is
te s tim o n g
is
ta k e n .
I
n o w
p ro v id e
y o u
w ith
c z o ljie s
o f
th o s e
d o ru m e n ts .
T h e
g e n e ra l
n a tu re
of the
te s tim o n y
th a t
w e
w is h
to
get from
y o u
to d a y
re la te s
to
in v e s tig a tio n s
m ade
b y
W e s te rn
U n io n
T e le g ra p h
Co. con-
c e rn in g
th e
p o s s ib ility
th a t
L e e
H a rv e y
O s w a ld
re c e ire tl
m oney
o rd e rs
th ro n g h
th e
o ffic e s
of your
com pany,
e ith e r
in
D a lla s
o r
th e
s u rro u n d in g
a re a ,
a n d
th e
p o s s ib ility
th a t
he may
h a v e
s e n t te le g ra m s
to o th e r
p e rs o n s
th ro u g h
th e fa c # ilitie s
of your
com pany.
M r.
L IE B K L E R .
B e fo re
w e
g e t
in to
th e
d e ta ils
o f
y o u r
te s tim o n y ,
w o u ld
;ro n
p le a s e
s ta te
y o u r
fu ll
nam e
fo r
th e
re c o rd ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
L a n ra n c e
R . W ilc o x .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
B y
w h o m
a re
y o u
e m p lo y e d ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
W e s te rn
U n io n
T e le g ra p h
C o.
M r.
L IE D E L E R . In
w h a t
c a p a c ity ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
D is tric t
m a n a g e r.
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
W hat
a re
y o u r
d u tie s
a s d is tric t
m a n a g e r?
M r.
W IL C O X .
A d m in is tra tiv e ;
in
c h a rg e
o f
th e
o p e ra tio n
fo r
W e s te rn
U n io n
in
the city
o f D a lla s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . Y o u
a re
g e n e ra l
m anager
th e n
of the
a re a
w h ic h
in c lu d e s
ju s t
the city
o f D a lla s
; is th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
W IIX O S .
D is tric t
m a n a g e r.
M r.
L IF S E I,E R . O f ju s t
the city
o f D a lla s
; is th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
W IL C O X .
Y e s ;
a n d
im m e d ia te
s u rro u n d in g
to w n s
s u c h
a s
G a rla n d ,
J Ie s -
q u ite ,
G ra n d
P ra irie ,
Irv in g ,
a n d
L a n c a s te r.
T h a t
is
a ll
I
ra n
th in k
o f
rig h t
n o w .
M r.
L IE B E I.E R . Y o u
a re
g e n e ra lly
in
c h a rg e
of the
o p e ra tio n s
o f
th e
com pany
w ith in
th a t
p a rtic u la r
a re a
; is th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
W IL c o x .
Y e s . s ir.
X r.
~ A E D E I.E R .
D id
th e re
m m
a tim e,
M r.
W ilc o x ,
w h e n
y o u
c a u s e d
a search
to
b e
m ade
o f
th e
re c o rd s
o f
th e
W e s te rn
U n io n
T e le g ra p h
C o.
to
d e te rm in e
w h e th e r
o r
n o t
L e e
H a rv e y
O s w a ld
h a d
e v e r
re c e iv e d
n r
s e n t
a n y
te le g ra m s
th ro n g h
th e
offices under
y o u r
ju ris d ic tio n ?
M r.
W IL c o x .
Y e s , s ir.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W o u ld
y o u
te ll
us about
th a t?
M r.
W IL c o x .
C an
I re fe r
to
th e s e p a p e rs ?
M r.
L IE B E L E R . Y o u
m ay
re fe r
to
a n y p a p e rs
th a t
y o u
w is h .
M r.
W ~rxos.
I
w a n t
to
so
th a t
I will
h a re
th is
e x a c tly
rig h t
as to
w h a t
to o k
p la re .
M y
fir s t
k n o w le d g e
of the
m essage
th a t
w as
s u p p o s e d
to
h a v e
b e e n
s e n t
b y O s w a ld
w as
w h e n
M r.
H a m b le n .
e a rly
n ig h t
m anager
a t m y o ffic e , v is ite d
w ith
m e
te llin g
rn *
M r.
L IE B E L E R . Is
th a t
M r.
C . A . H a m b le n ?
M r.
W IrA c o x .
Y e s , s ir.
4 1 4
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
G o
a h e a d .
J Ir.
W rr.co s.
T e llin g
1 1 1 ~ th a t
h e
h a d
b e e n
w a tc h in g
th e
trle ris io n .
a n t1
w h f~ n
h e
s a w
th e
l)ic tu re
o f
O s ~ ~ lfl,
h e
re c o g n iz e d
th a t
a s
b e in g
a
m :~ n
th a t
h a t1
b e e 1 1
in
o u r
o fiic e
a n t1
h a d
file d
n
m essage.
M r.
L IE T IE L E R .
D o
yo u
rem em ber
w h e n
M r.
H n m b lrn
to ld
ye n
th is ?
M r.
W IL C O S .
T h is
T K L R
o n
n
W ednesdny
fo llo w in g
th e
a s s n s s in :ltio n -fo lln ~ ~ -
i! ig
th e
s lio o tin z
o f
O s w a ld .
H e
to ld
,1 1 9
th a t
h e
w \-n s
l~ o s itire
th a t
h e
h n fl
s e e n
J Ir.
O s w n lfl
in
n iir
n ffic e .
M r.
IJ E T IE L E R .
IIe
to ld
yo u
th is
o n
W e tln rs fla g
fn lln w in c :
th e
S n n fln y
0 1 1 w h ic h
M r.
O s w a ld
w as
s h o t
b y
R u b y
: is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
W IL C O X .
T h a t\u2019s
rig h t.
M r.
~ ,IE IIE I.E R .
T h a t
~ n 1 1 tl
h a re
b e e n
iY n re m b e r
2 i.
1 9 R .? ?
T h n n lts g iri!lg
w as
o n
S o l-e m b e r
th e
2 8 th .
3 Ir.
W I~ .c o s .
Y e s .
It
w as
o n
n
W ednesday
l)rf4 a rflin
g
T h a n k s g iv in g .
I
n s k rd
J lr.
H a m l)lf~
to
te ll
m e
e x a c tly
w h a t
h n d
ta k e n
p lz ~ e .
H e
s ta te d
th a t
O s ~ :~ ltl
h a d
file d
:I
m rssnge
g o in g
to
1 Y a s h in p to n --n
c a s h
m es-
s n v
a n d
it
w as
w ritte n
in
n
p e c u lia r
s c rip t.
a s
1 Ir.
H n m b lrn
p u t
it.
It
n -n s
t& G
in
p e n c il.
I
th in k
n -h xt
lifa
m eant
is
p rin tfd
in
I)e n c il.
I
ilS k P f1
h im
to
im m e flin tc ly
s e t
n b o u t
to
o b ta in
u q )irs
o f
th a t.
a s
I
w as
le a v in g
to w n .
a n d
to
g e t
n
v o I)y
o f
th e
m e s s a g f\u2019.
a n d
to
d o
th a t
it
n -o u ld
1~~ neres-
sa ry
fo r
h im
to
s e e
3 Ir.
P irtlr.
o u r
b n o ltl~ re p in g
n ia n n g e r.
a n d
to
g e t
th e
m essage.
p n t
it
in
a n
rn rf~ lo p r.
a n d
n d flrf> s s
it
to
m y
g rrs o n n l
a tte n tio n
n -h ilt>
1
W ilS
in
Iin n s n s
C ity .
1 Ir.
L IE B E L E R .
D id
J Ir.
H n m b lrn
te ll
g o u
a n g th in
g
a b o u t
w h n t
th e
n ie s x a g t
a n id
o r
to
w h o m
it
w as
n d d rc s s rfl.
a t
th is
firs t
f9 n rc rs a tin n ?
A ir.
W rrxos.
S o .
h f~
d id n \u2019t.
W f>
le ft
fo r
IC n n s n s
C ity
a n d
w as
th e re
o ve r
th e
T h a n k s g iv in g
h o lid a p .
3 Ir.
L rc n rs rx R .
T o n
a n d
yo u r
fa m ily ?
M r.
W rr.cn s.
Y e s .
A n d
\v h ilr
th e rr.
th is
a rtic le
n p Ix a 4
in
th e
K a n s a s
C itg
S ta r.
th e ir
e rrn in g
p a p e r
: x-cry
m uch
th e
sam e
s to ry
a s
n p p e n rf~ fl
in
th e
D a lln s
T im e s
H e ra ld .
M r.
L IE IIF X E R .
I
s h o w
.rn n
n
c o p y
o f
a
c a lip p in
g
w h ic h
p u rp o rts
to
h a re
a l,-
lu ? a rrd
in
th e
1 )n lla s
T im e .
r:
H e ra ld
o n
S o re m b e r
3 0 ,
1 X $ 3 .
I
a s k
yo u
if
th is
tr lls
a
s to ry
s im ila r
to
th e
rflp o rt
yn n
s n w
in
th e
K n n s n s
C ity
S ta r?
J lr.
W IL c o s .
Y e s .
sam e
s to ry .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W e
w ill
m ark
th is
c liI)p in g
a s
E s h il)it
3 0 0 2
o n
th p
fle I)n s itin n
o f
L a u ra n u ?
R .
W ilc o s .
a t
D a lln s .
T rs ..
J Ia rc h
3 1 .
1 % -I.
I
h a ve
in itia le d
th e
rlip p in g
in
q u e s tio n .
M r.
W ilro s.
a n d
a s k
yo u
to
d o
th e
sam e.
x r.
W Ir.cns.
[In itia ls .]
In in ie d in te ly
w h e n
I
re n t1
th is
s to ry
in
th e
K a n s a s
C ity
p a p e r
I
re c o g n iz e d
it
a s
b rin g
th e
sam e
s tn rF
th a t
M r.
H n m b lrn
h n d
to ld
m e
ju s t
n c o u p le
o f
fla y s
b e fo rt
in
1 ii.r
o ffire .
W e
re tu rn e d
to
D a lIa s
S u n d a g .
a n d
im m e flin trly
o n
m y
re tu rn
to
th e
o ffic e
3 1 0 n d a yp
J Ir.
I,IE R ~ .E R .
M onday.
I
S IIg g e s t
n -n n lfl
h a re
b e e n
D fa 3 n b e r
2 .
l!N X 3 ?
1 \Ir.
T V II~ c o s .
T rs .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A n d
~ 0 1 1
fis
th a t
b y
re c a llin K
th a t
th e
n s s n s s iu a tin n
n -a s
o n
th e
2 2 d .
T h e
fo llo w in g
F rid a y
n o n ld
h n v c
I)P W
th e
2 9 th .
S x tn rfln y .
th e
3 0 th .
S u n fl:ry
th e
1 s t
: and
,\Io n fln y
n -o n lfl
h a re
b f~ ~
D e ce m b e r
2 ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
Y e s .
D e ce m b e r
2 .
S ow .
th is
w as
o n
m y
re tu rn
to
th e
o ffic y .
a n d
w e
in d ic a te d
th a t
~ 7 3 s
D e ce m b e r
2 .
I
w e n t
o ve r
th e
in fo rm a tio n
th a t
w as
c o n ta in e d
in
th e
n e w sp a p e r
a rtic le
w ith
M r.
H n m b le n .
re m in flin g
h im
th a t
th is
w zs
in
rffe rt
th e
snm e
s tn rg
a s
h e
h a d
to ld
m e
ju s t
2
d a y s
b rfn re .
n
fm
d a y s
b e fo re .
P a rtic u ln rly .
its
com m ent
n b n n t
th e
s tra n g e
p rin tin g
o n
th e
trlrg rn m
w h ic h
h e
h a d
s e rn
I)rrs rn tc d
1 ~ ~ O s w a ld .
J Ir.
H m nbkn
a d m itte d
th a t
h e
h a d
d is c u s s rd
srrrr n l
m a tte rs
w ith
d iffe re n t
re p o rte rs ,
b u t
in s is te d
th a t
h e
h a d n \u2019t
g iv e n
o n t
s u c h
d rtn ilrfl
in fn rm n tin n
n s
n p ye a rrd
in
th e
n e w sp a p e r
a rtic le .
H o w e rrr.
1
w as
c n n s trx in e d
to
fc rl
th a t
h e
h a d
b rc n n s r
it
xw
rx n c tly
th e
sam e
s to ry
a s
h e
h a d
g iv e n
m e
in itia lIF
in
th e
p a s t
w e e k.
T h e re
in s
n o
d o u b t
in
m y
m in d
l)n t
th a t
th fa
n e w s p n l)c r
n rtic lfl
s te m m e fl
fro m
M r.
H n m b le n \u2019s
v is it
w ith
a newspnpcr
re p o rte r.
J fr.
T JE B E L E R .
In
th is
c o n n e c tio n .
M r.
W iIc n s .
yo u
h :lre
re ffa rre d
to
n
rn p y
o f
4 1 5
a
le tte r
d a te c l
D e ce m b e r
3 .
lN l3 .
w h ic h
a p p e a rs
to
b e
a
le tte r
fro m
yo u
to
J Ir.
S e n n n g s e n
:
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
\Y rr.c :o s .
Y e s .
s ir
: ~ n u ltl
yo u
lik e
to
h a re
a copy?
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
Y e s .
D id
yo u
lu e l,a rc
th a t
le tte r
o u
o r
n h o u t
D e ce m b e r
3 ?
J Ir.
T V It,c o s .
Y e s .
1 d id .
1 \Ir.
T ,IE R E I.E R .
I)o e s
it
a c c u ra te ly
re fle c t
th e
e re c ts
th a t
o e ru rre d
p rio r
to
th a t
tiu ie ?
1 Ir.
W Irx o s .
Y e s .
M r.
L IE B E I.E R .
I
m ark
th a t
le tte r
a s
F ls h ib it
3 0 0 3 ,
o u
th e
d e p o s itio n
o f
M r.
L a u ra n c e
R .
W ile o x .
a t
D a lla s .
T e s .,
M arch
3 1 ,
1 9 G -l.
I
h a re
in itia le d
th e
c o p y
in
c lu e s tio n .
M r.
Q \u2019ilc o s .
a n d
w o u ld
lik e
to
h a re
yo u
d o
th e
sam e
th in g
if
yo u
w o u ld .
M r.
W II.c o s .
[In itia ls .]
M r.
T X B E I.E R .
B e fo re
\v e
g o
011. I
c a ll
yo u r
a tte n tio n
to
th e
fa c t
th a t
th is
le tte r
o f
D e c e m l)e r
3 .
1 9 6 3 .
s ta rts
n u t
b y
s a y in g
\u201cT h is
is
to
s u p l& m e u t
m y
re p o rt
o f
D e ce m b e r
2 in
c o n n e c tio n
x y ith
n e w sp a p e r
a rtic le
re g a rd in g
m essages
a n d
m ouey
o rd e r
to
R u b y
o r
O s w a ld .\u201d
D o
yo u
h a re
a
c o p y
o f
yo u r
re p o tit
o f
D e c e u ih e r
2 .
re fe rre d
to
in
E s h ih it
3 0 0 3
?
M r.
W Ir,C ox.
Y e s .
s ir.
1 \Ir.
L IE B E L E R .
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m -e
u la rk
th a t
a s
E s h ih it
X n .
3 0 0 4
o n
th e
d e p n s itin u
o f
M r.
L a u ra n c e
R .
W ilc o x .
D a lla s .
T e s .,
J la rc h
3 1 ,1 % X ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
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docum ent
to
a tto rn e y .]
3 Ir.
L IE R E ~ E R .
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h a ve
in itia le d
E x h ib it
S o .
3 0 0 4
n u t1
.rn n
h a re
d o n e
lik e w is e ,
h a re
g n u
u o t?
X r.
W IL c o s .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
Y o u
h a d
ju s t
in d ic a te d
th a t
yo u
h a d
ta lk e d
to
J Ir.
H a m h le n
u p o n
yo u r
re tu rn
c n n c c ru iu g
th e
n e w a p a l)e r
s to ry .
W o u ld
yo u
te ll
u s
w h a t
h a p p e n e d
u e s t?
M r.
W II.C O X .
I
:ts lte d
M r.
H a u tb le u
if
h e
h a d
o b ta in e d
th e
m essage
fro m
th e
l~ o o lik e e l)illg
c le p a rtu ie u t
a s
I
h a d
re c lu e s te d
h e
d o ,
a u d
h e
s ta te d
th a t
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u o t
fo u iic l
it
a u d
d id
n o t
h a re
it
a n d
it
w a s ii\u2019t
a v a ila b le .
O u
I)e c e n lh e r
9 .
X r.
S e u liu g s e n ,
ric e
p re s id e n t
o f
W e s te rn
U n io n ,
w as
a t
m y
o ffic e ,
a n d
a t
th is
tim e
w e
in te rrie \~ e d
s e re ra l
e u il)lo ~ e e s
fo r
th e
ln n -p trs e
o f
fiu d iu g
o u t
if
a i1 .r
o f
th e m
c o u ld
re c a ll
h a v in g
s e e n
O s w a ld
in
o u r
o ffiic e .
W e
a ls o
d is c u s s e d
th e
R u b y
m oney
o rd e rs .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
C an
g o u
te ll
u s
th e
nam es
o f
th e
e m p lo y e e s
w ho
w e re
in te r-
C e w e c l
n u
D e ce m b e r
9 ,
1 9 6 3 .
in
c o n n e c tio n
w ith
th e
p o s s ib ility
th a t
O s w a ld
m ig h t
h a re
s e n t
o r
re c e iv e d
te le g ra m s
th ro u g h
yo u r
com pany?
1 1 0
yo u
h a ve
a
u ie u io ra u c lu u i
re fle c tin g
w h a t
h a p p e n e d ?
M r.
W ~ r.c o s .
S o .
b e c a u s e
w h a t
w e
d id ,
w e
a s k e d
fo r
s ta te m e n ts
fro m
th e s e
l~ ~ o p le ,
a n d
I
h a re
th o s e
s ta te m e n ts
a n d
th a t
w as
th e
re s u lt
o f
th a t
m e e tin g .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
T h e
m c e tin
g
yo u
re fe rre d
to
n o n
is
th e
m e e tin g
h e ld
in
yo u r
o tflc e
o n
D e e e u lh e r
9 ?
M r.
W ~ r,c o s .
T h e
m e e tin g
h e ld
in
m y
o ffic e
011 December
9 .
M r.
IX B S E L E R .
I
c a ll
yo u r
a tte n tio n
to
a
m essage
th a t
w as
s e n t
b y
M T.
R e m in g s e n
to
M r.
.J .
II.
W aters
in
ir;e w
Y o rk
C ity ,
w h ic h
h a s
b e e n
a tta c h e d
a s
A \tta (.h n ie n t
S o .
.j
to
E x h ib it
3 0 9 1
o n
M r.
S e m in g s e n \u2019s
d e p o s itio n .
I
s h o w
yo u
ih a t
m essage
a n d
a s k
yo u
if
th a t
a c c u ra te ly
re fle c ts
w h a t
o c c u rre d
a t
th e
m e e t-
in g
in
F o u r
o ffic e
o n
D e ce m b e r
9 ,
1 $ X 3 ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
T h is
d o e s n \u2019t.
M r.
L IE B E I,E R .
Y o u
s a y
it
d o e s
n o t?
M r.
W IL C O X .
T h is
w as
p e rta in iu g
to
M r.
R u b y.
T h is
d id
n o t
h a ve
a n y th in g
to
d o
w ith
th a t.
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
L e t
m e
fu rth e r
p o in t
o u t
to
yo u ,
M r.
W ilc o x ,
th a t
w e
h a re
s ta te -
m e n ts
o f
M r.
H a m h le n
d n te d
D e ce m b e r
2
a n d
D e ce m b e r
5 ,
1 9 6 3 ,
w h ic h
a re
a p -
p a re n tly
a d d re s s e d
to
yo u .
I
s h o w
yo u
c o p ie s ,
firs t,
o f
th e
s ta te m e n t
d a te d
D e ce m b e r
2 ,
1 0 6 3 ,
a n d
a s k
yo u
if
yo u
c a n
rem em ber
th e
c irc u m s ta n c e s
u n d e r
w h ic h
th a t
s ta te m e n t
w as
o b ta in e d
fro m
M r.
H a m b le n ?
M r.
W IL C O X .
T h is
s ta te m e n t
w as
o b ta in e d -
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
T h e
s ta te m e n t
yo u
a re
re fe rrin g
to
is
th e
s ta te m e n t
d a te d
D e e e iu h e r
2 ,
1 9 6 .3
: is
th a t
c o rre c t?
4 1 6
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