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M r.
R O G E R S . W e ll,
m aybe
h e
d id
id e n tify
h im ,
b u t
I
n e v e r
s a w
th is
m an.
N o.
T h a t\u2019s
w h e n
th is
h a p p e n e d
?
M r.
G a rn e r
d id ,
b u t
I
d id n \u2019t.
N o,
I - if
h e
d id
com e
a ro u n d ,
I
w a s n \u2019t
th e re .
I f
I
d id ,
I
w o u ld
te ll
y o u ,
y o u
k n o w .
M r.
L IE B E L E Z R
(h a n d in g
p ic tu re
to
w itn e s s ).
I
s h o w
y o u
a
p ic tu re
th a t
h a s
b e e n
m a rk e d
\u201cP iz z a
E x h ib it
N o . 4 5 3 -A ,\u201d
a n d
a s k
y o u
i f
y o u
re c o g n iz e
th a t
m an.
M r.
R O W E R S .N o .
I seen
p le n ty
p e o p le ,
b u t
I
d o n \u2019t
k n o w
h im
e ith e r.
I f
I d id ,
I w o u ld
te ll
y o u .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . A ll
rig h t.
T h a n k
y o u
v e ry
m uch,
M r.
R o g e rs .
M r.
ROGERS. Under
o a th ,
I
te ll
y o u
ju s t
e x a c tly
w h a t
I
te ll
y o u ,
th e
sam e
th in g .
A s
fa r
a s
th e
b o y
is
c o n c e rn e d ,
y o u
k n o w ,
h e
n e v e r
s p o k e
to
a n y b o d y .
G o in
a n d
o u t,
e a t
a n d
c le a n .
D id n \u2019t
n o b o d y
k n e w
h is
b u s in e s s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . H e
k e p t
p re tty
m uch
to
h im s e lf?
M r.
R ~ ~ E B s.
Y e s .
T E S T IM O N Y
O F
JA M E S
L E H R E R
T h e
te s tim o n y
of James
L e h re r
w as
ta k e n
a t
lo :4 5
a.m ., on
J u ly
2 4 , 1 9 6 4 , in
th e
office of the
U .S . a tto rn e y ,
301 Post
O f f i c e B u ild in g ,
B ry a n
a n d
E rv a y
S tre e ts ,
D a lla s ,
T e x .,
b y
M r.
W e s le y
J .
L ie b e le r,
a s s is ta n t
c o u n s e l
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
W ill
y o u
p le a s e
s ta n d
a n d
ta k e
th e
o a th ?
D o
y o u
s o le m n ly
s w e a r
th a t
th e
te s tim o n y
y o u
a re
a b o u t
to
g iv e
w ill
b e
th e
tru th ,
th e
w h o le
tru th ,
a n d
n o th in g
b u t
th e
tru th ,
s o h e lp
y o u
G od?
M r.
L E H B E B .
I
d o .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . M y
nam e
is
W e s le y
J . L ie b e le r.
I
a m
a n
a tto rn e y
o n
th e
s ta ff
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
in v e s tig a tin g
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
o f
P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y .
I
h a v e
b e e n
a u th o riz e d
to
ta k e
y o u r
te s tim o n y
b y
th e
C o m m is s io n
p u rs u a n t
to
a u th o rity
g ra n te d
to
it
b y
P re s id e n t
J o h n s o n \u2019s
E x e c u tiv e
O rd e r
1 1 1 3 0 , d a te d
N o v e m b e r
2 9 ,1 9 6 3 ,
a n d
jo in t
re s o lu tio n
of Congress,
No. 137.
U n d e r
th e
C o m m is s io n \u2019s
ru le s
g o v e rn in g
th e
ta k in g
o f
te s tim o n y ,
y o u
a re
e n title d
to
3 days\u2019
n o tic e
a n d
to
h a v e
a n
a tto rn e y
h e re
i f
y o u
w a n t
to, and
y o u
a re
e n title d
to
th e
u s u a l
p riv ile g e s
a n d
rig h ts
c o n c e rn in g
s e lf
in c rim in a tio n
a n d
th a t
s o rt
o f
th in g
a s
fa r
a s
a n s w e rin g
m y
q u e s tio n s
a re
c o n c e rn e d .
I
k n o w
th a t
y o u
h a v e
n o t
h a d
3 days\u2019
n o tic e
o f th is ,
b u t
I
u n d e rs ta n d
th a t
y o u
a re
h e re
v o lu n -
ta rily
a n d
th a t
y o u
a re
p re p a re d
to p ro c e e d
w ith o u t
a n a tto rn e y
; is th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
L E H R E R . Y e s , s ir.
M r.
L IE B E Z E E . P le a s e
s ta te
y o u r
nam e.
M r.
L E E IR E B . J a m e s
L e h re r
[s p e llin g ],
L -e -h -r-e -r.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W h e n
a n d
w h e re
w e re
y o u
b o rn ?
M r.
LEHRER. May
1 9 , 1 9 3 4 , W ic h ita ,
K a n s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W h e re
d o
y o u
liv e ?
M r.
L E H R E R . D a lla s
; 3709
W est
B e v e rly .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W o u ld
y o u
o u tlin e
y o u r
e d u c a tio n a l
b a c k g ro u n d
fo r
u s , p le a s e ?
M r.
L E H R E R . H ig h
s c h o o l,
g ra d u a te
of Victoria
C o lle g e ,
U n iv e rs ity
o f M is s o u ri.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W h a t
d id
y o u
m a jo r
in
a t
th e
u n iv e rs ity ?
M r.
L E H R E R .
J o u rn a lis m .
M r.
L IE B E L E B .
A re
y o u
p re s e n tly
e m p lo y e d
b y
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld ?
M r.
L E H B E R .
Y e s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . H o w
lo n g
h a v e
y o u
w o rk e d
w ith
th e m ?
M r.
L E H R E IZ . N e a rly
3 years.
M r.
L IE R E L E B . W h a t
is y d u r
jo b
o v e r
th e re ?
M r.
LEHRER. I am
a re p o rte r.
M r.
L IE B E L E R . D o
y o u
c o v e r
a s p e c ific
b e a t?
< M r. L E H R E R .
I cover
th e
F e d e ra l
b e a t,
la b o r,
a n d
p o litie s o m e
p o litic s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R . W h a t
d id
y o u
d o b e fo re
y o u
w e n t
to work
w ith
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld ?
4 6 4
M r.
LE H R E X .
I
w as
w ith
th e
D a lla s
M o rn in g
S e w s
a b o u t
2
y e a rs .
M r.
L IE B E L F R .
B e fo re
th a t?
M r.
LE H R E R .
I
w as
in
th e
M a rin e
C o rp s .
I
w e n t
th e re
d ire c tly
fro m
s c h o o l
in to
th e
s e rv ic e .
M r.
L IE R E L E X
A n d
th e n
yo u
cam e
to
w o rk
fo r
th e
D a lla s
M o rn in g
N ew s?
M r.
LE H R E R .
I
d id .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
T h e n
yo u
w e n t
to
w o rk
fo r
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld
a n d
yo u
a re
e m p lo y e d
b y
th e m
n o w ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
Y e a ,
s ir.
M r.
L IE B E L E K
I
h a ve
re c e iv e d
in fo rm a tio n
th a t
yo u
w e re
in
th e
o ffic e
o f
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld
o n
th e
m o rn in g
o f
S o ve m b e r
2 8 ,
1 9 6 3 :
is
th a t
c o rre c t?
M r.
LE H R E R .
Y e s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W o u ld
yo u
te ll
u s
w h e n
yo u
g o t
th e re
a n d
w h a t
yo u
d id
th a t
m o rn in g
a n d
w h a t
yo u
s a w ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
W e ll,
it
w as
T h a n k s g iv in g
a n d
I
g o t
th e re
a b o u t
7
o r
7 3 0 ,
som e-
th in g
lik e
th a t,
a n d
I
d o n \u2019t
rem em ber
s p e c ific a lly
a n y
s to rie s
th a t
I
w o rke d
o n
o n
th a t
d a y.
It
w as
ju s t
a
ro u tin e
d a y,
n o t
a
ro u tin e
d a y-a
h o lid a y
is
n o t
ro u tin e ,
b e c a u s e
yo u
d o n \u2019t
w o rk
th e
w h o le
d a y
o n
a
h o lid a y ,
s o
I
o n ly
w o rke d
u n til
a ro u n d
n o o n
th a t
d a y.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
Y o u
g o t
to
th e
o ffic e
a b o u t
7
o \u2019c lo c k ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
A b o u t
7
o r
7 :3 & -s o m e th in g
lik e
th a t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
D o
yo u
kn o w
H u n te r
S c h m id t,
J r.?
M r.
LE H R E R .
Y e s
; I
d o .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
Is
h e
a ls o
e m p lo y e d
a s
a
re p o rte r
b y
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
Y e s .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A n d
h e
w as
a t
th a t
tim e ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
R ig h t.
M r.
L T E B E L E R .
D id
yo u
s e e
h im
in
th e
o ffic e
th a t
m o rn in g ?
M r.
LE H R E B .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A re
yo u
fa m ilia r
w ith
th e
fa c t
th a t
a
s to ry
a p p e a re d
in
th e
D a lla s
T im e s
H e ra ld
o n
th is
d a y
c o n c e rn in g
a
g u n s h o p
in
Irv in g ,
T e x .,
a t
w h ic h
O s w a ld
w as
s u p p o s e d
to
h a ve
h a d
som e
w o rk
d o n e
o n
a
rifle ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
R ig h t.
h lr.
L IE B E L E R .
W ere
yo u
a w a re
o f
h o w
th a t
s to ry
cam e
in to
th e
o ffic e
o f
th e
n e w s p a p e r?
h lr.
LE H R E X .
Y e s
; in
a
g e n e ra l
w a y.
T h e
d e s k ,
o r
th e
c ity
d e s k ,
w h ic h
c o n s is ts
o f
th e
c ity
e d ito r
a n d
th e
a s s is ta n t
c ity
e d ito r
o r
th e
re w rite
s ta ff-s o m e w h e re
t,h e .r
g o t
a
tip
th a t
th e re
w as
a
fe llo w
in
Irv in ,
e
w ho
h a d
m o u n te d
th e
s ig h t
o r
kn e w
s o m e th in g
a b o u t
it.
It
w as
g iv e n
to
H u n te r
to
c h e c k
o u t.
I
h a p p e n e d
to
b e
s ittin g
o ve r
th e re .
I
d o
n o t
n o rm a lly
w o rk
p h y s ic a lly
o n
th e
c ity
d e s k ,
b u t
a ll
o f
u s
h a d
b e e n
w o rk in g
o n
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
a s p e c ts
a n d
it
h a d
b e e n
a
lo t
o f
m y
re s p o n s ib ility
in
p a rtic u la r,
b e c a u s e
s o
m uch
o f
it
w as
o n
m y
b e a t
a t\u2019th a t
tim e ,
a n d
som ebody
s a id
th e y
g o t
th is
g u y
a n d
th e y
g a ve
it
to
H u n te r
to
c h e c k
o u t
a n d
I
w as
s ittin g
rig h t
n e xt
to
H u n te r
a n d
w h e n
h e
c h e c k e d
it
o u t-in
o th e r
w o rd s -w h e n
h e
c a lle d .
h lr.
L IE B E L E R .
W hat
d id
h e
d o -d o
yo u
re m e m b e r?
M r.
LE H R E R .
W e ll,
h e
ju s t-h e
w as
ta lk in g
to
som ebody
o n
th e
te le p h o n e
a n d
h e
w as
g iv e n
th e
c h e c k o u t
a n d
h e
h a d
th e
m a n \u2019s
nam e
b e fo re
h e
c a lle d
a n d
h e
c a lle d
s o n ie b o d y
o n
th e
p h o n e
a n d
I
w as
d o in
g
s o m e th in g
m y s e lf-1
w a s n \u2019t
w ritin g
a
s to ry ,
b u t
I
w as
s ittin g
th e re
a n d
h e
w as
ta lk in g
to
th is
g u y,
ta lk in g
to
som ebody
o n
th e
te le p h o n e ,
le t\u2019s
p u t
it
th a t
w a y,
a n d
w h e n
h e
g o t
th ro u g h
h e
s a id
s o m e th in g
a b o u t,
\u201cY e a h --th is
is
it
; th a t\u2019s
rig h t.\u201d
O r,
it
w a .v
w o rd s
to
th a t
e ffe c t,
a n d
th e n
I
lo o k e d
a t
h is
n o te s ,
yo u
kn o w ,
a n d
s a id ,
\u201cT h a t\u2019s
a
h e ll
o f
a
s to ry ,\u201d
o r
s o m e th in g
lik e
th a t,
a n d
a b o u t
th a t
tim e
som e
b o d y
s a id .
\u201cD o n \u2019t
ta lk
a b o u t
it,
w rite
it.\u201d
S o
h e
g a ve
it
to .
I
th in k
it
w a s -I\u2019m
n o t
s u re
a b o u t
th is ,
b u t
I
th in k
it
w as
in
a
g e n e ra l
s to ry
o f
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
d e
v e lo p m e n ts
o f
th a t
d a y,
w h ic h
w e
w e re
ru n n in g
e ve ry
d a y,
a n d
I
th in k
a
re w rite
m an
m ay
h a ve
ta k e n
th e
n o te s
a n d
w ritte n
th e
s to ry .
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll
s e e in g
H u n te r
w rite
th e
s to ry .
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
D o
yo u
kn o w
th e
nam e
o f
th e
m an
th a t
S c h m id t
w as
ta lk in g
to ?
4 6 5
M r.
LE H R E R .
I
c a n
o n ly
asum e
it
w as
R yd e r.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
W hat
le a d s
yo u
to
th a t
a s s u m p tio n ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
W e ll,
it
w as
ju s t
c irc u m s ta n tia lly -I
b e lie v e
it
w a s .
I
m ean,
h e
w as
g iv e n
th is
nam e
a n d
th e
in fo rm a tio n
th a t
th is
m an
is
s u p p o s e d
to
h a ve
m o u n te d
th e
s ig h t
o n
O s w a ld \u2019s
rifle .
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
A n d
th e
nam e
b e
w as
g iv e n
w as
D ia l
R yd e r;
is
th a t
rig h t?
N r.
LE H R E R .
T h a t\u2019s
rig h t;
th a t\u2019s
rig h t.
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
A n d
b e
w as
to ld
to
c h e c k
th a t
s to ry ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
T h a t\u2019s
rig h t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A n d
b e
p ro c e e d e d
to
d o
it?
M r.
LE H R E R .
H e
p ro c e e d e d
to
d o
it.
H e
d ia le d
a
num ber
a n d
g o t
som ebody
o n
th e
lin e
a n d
s ta rte d
ta lk in g
a n d
w h e n
b e
g o t
th ro u g h ,
b e
s a id ,
\u201cT h a t\u2019s
rig h t.\u201d
I
lo o k e d
a t
h is
n o te s -I
d o n \u2019t
h a ve
a
s p e c ific
re c o lle c tio n
o f
w h a t
th e
n o te s
s a id ,
b u t
I
rem em ber
th a t
b e
b a d
som e
q u o te s
th e re ,
I
m ean,
b e
b a d
som e
in fo rm a -
tio n
in
th e
n o te s
th a t
v e rifie d
th e
s to ry ,
a n d
a t
th a t
tim -n e
o f
th e
re a s o n s
I
w as
in te re s te d
in
it-1
w as
w o rk in g
o n
th e
s to ry
w e
fin a lly
ra n
th e
n e xt
d a y
o n
th e
F B I
lo o k in g
fo r
w h e re
O s w a ld
m ig h t
h a ve
p o s s ib ly
te s t
fire d
th is
rifle ,
s o
th a t
w as
o n e
o f
th e
re a s o n s
I
w as
p a rtic u la rly
in te re s te d
in
it,
b e c a u s e
I
w a s n \u2019t
c o o rd in a tin g
o u r
a s s a s s in a tio n
c o v e ra g e ,
b u t
I
w as
v ita lly
in v o lv e d
in
it,
I
w o u ld
s a y ,
a t
th a t
tim e ,
a n d
I
w as
w o rk in g
o n
th is ,
a n d
I
th in k
b e
g a ve
th e
n o te s
to
a
re w rite
m an.
I\u2019m
n o t
s u re ,
b u t
I
d o n \u2019t
kn o w
w h a t
h a p p e n e d
a fte r
th a t.
M r.
L IE R E L E R .
In
a n y
e v e n t,
yo u
h a ve
th e
s p e c ific
re c o lle c tio n
th a t
S c h m id t
e n g a g e d
in
a
c o n v e rs a tio n
o ve r
th e
te le p h o n e
fo r
som e
p e rio d
o f
tim e
a t
a
tim e
w h e n
b e
w as
s u p p o s e d
to
b e
c h e c k in g
n u t
th is
s to ry
o f
th e
g u n s m ith
in
Irv in g ?
M r.
LE H R E R .
T h a t\u2019s
rig h t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
A fte r
th is
c o n v e rs a tio n
w as
o ve r,
b e
in d ic a te d
to
yo u
th a t
th e
s to ry
c h e c k e d
o u t?
M r.
L E IIR E R .
T h a t\u2019s
rig h t.
M r.
L IE B E L E R .
S u b s e q u e n tly
th a t
d a y
th e
s to ry ,
in
fa c t,
a p p e a re d
in
th e
n e w s -
p a p e r,
in d ic a tin g
th a t
th e re
w as
e v id e n c e
to
s h o w
th a t
O s w a ld
b a d
ta k e n
h is
r ifle
to
th is
p a rtic u la r
g u n s b o p .
M r.
LE H R E R .
R ig h t.
J lr.
L IE B E L E R .
H a ve
yo u
d is c u s s e d
th is
s itu a tio n
w ith
S c h m id t
re c e n tly ?
M r.
L E IIR E R .
Ilo ;
a c tu a lly ,
I
ta lk e d
to
h im
a b o u t
it
b rie fly
th is
m o rn in g .
H e
w as
s o m e w h a t-b e
d id n \u2019t
re c a ll
w ho
w as
s ittin g
n e xt
to
h im
a n d
I
to ld
h im
I
b a d ,
b e c a u s e
I
d id n \u2019t
th in k
th e re
w as
a n y
p ro b le m ,
a n d
I
ju s t
m e n tio n e d
th a t.
S ow ,
th e
F B I-o n e
th in g -a s
fa r
a s
th a t\u2019s
c o n c e rn e d -a n d
a s
fa r
a s
th e
fa c t
th a t
som ebody
m ig h t
th in k
th a t
H u n te r
a n d
I
g o t
to g e th e r
o n
th is -th e
d a y
th e
F B I
g o t
th is ,
a n d
a p p a re n tly
it
w as
s e n t
d o w n
b y
th e
C o m m is s io n
w ho
s a id ,
\u201cC h e ck
th is
o u t\u201d-th a t
R yd e r
a p p a re n tly -th e re
w as
som e
q u e s tio n
a b o u t
it-a n d
th e
F B I
cam e
u p
th e re
a n d
a
g u y
b y
th e
nam e
o f-w e ll,
th e re
w e re
tw o
a g e n ts
fro m
O k la h o m a
C ity
w ho
w e re
w o rk in g
a
s p e c ia l
o n
th e
a s s a s s in a -
tio n
a t
th a t
tim e -ju s t
th e
a s s a s s in a tio n
s to ry .
It
w as
P e tra k is
a n d
som e
o th e r
g u y-1
d o n \u2019t
rem em ber
th e
o th e r
g u y \u2019s
nam e,
b u t
th e y
cam e
u p
a n d
ta lk e d
to
K e n
S m a rt.
Y o u
s e e ,
th e re
w as
n o
b y lin e
o n
th e
s to ry
a n d
th e y
s a id ,
\u201cW ho
w ro te
th e
s to ry ? \u201d
a n d
S m a rt
a p p a re n tly
s a id
b e
d id n \u2019t
k n o w
a n d
th e y
w e n t
b a c k
a n d
lo o k e d
in
th e
file s
a n d
th a t
in d ic a te d
w ho
w ro te
it
a n d
S O
K e n
cam e
o ve r
to
m e
a n d
s h o w e d
m e
th e
s to ry
w ith
P e tra k is
a n d
th is
o th e r
gU Y
th e re ,
a n d
b e
s a id ,
\u201cD id
yo u
w rite
th e
s to ry ? \u201d
A n d
I
s a id ,
\u201cN o ,
H u n te r
S c h m id t
w ro te
th e
s to ry \u201d;
th a t\u2019s
b o w
th e y
fo u n d
o u t
H u n te r
e ve n
w ro te
it-w h e re
b e
g o t
th e
in fo rm a tio n
w as
w h e n
I
to ld
h im
a n d
s o
th e n
w e
ta lk e d
a b o u t
th is
th in g
b rie fly ,
yo u
kn o w ,
a n d
K e n
s a id ,
\u201cA p p a re n tly
R yd e r
is
s a y in g
th a t
h e
d id n \u2019t
ta lk
to
a n yb o d y
a t
th e
tim e ,\u201d
a n d
I
to ld
S m a rt
a n d
P e tra k is
a n d
th is
o th e r
fe llo w
h e re
th a t
I
w as
s ittin g
rig h t
n e xt
to
th e
fe llo w
a n d
th a t
h e
w as
ta lk in g
to
som ebody
a n d
I
assum ed
it
w as
R yd e r
a n d
th e n
I
h a d n \u2019t
e ve n
m e n tio n e d
it
to
H u n te r,
b e c a u s e
H u n te r
w as
n o t
in
th e
o 5 c e
th a t
d a y
a n d
P e tra !tis
fin a lly
g o t
a b o ld
o f
h im
a t
hom e
o n
th e
p h o n e ,
I
b e lie v e ,
o r
ta lk e d
to
h im
la te r
a n d
H u n te r
d id n \u2019t
e ve n
kn o w
u n til
th is
m o rn in g .
A s
I
s a y ,
th e n
H u n te r
to ld
m e
th a t-it
w as
yo u ,
I
b e lie v e ,
th a t
to ld
h im
th a t
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