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The Real Savoy - Being too nice vs. being a jerk

The Real Savoy - Being too nice vs. being a jerk

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An article on being the nice guy as opposed to being a jerk

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Being too nice vs. being a jerk 
nice guys
 who read this blog know not to be
the nice guy 
too nice
 when meeting women. As a former
nice guy 
myself, I know that this is easier said than done.How hard can it be not to be
  Well, it can be... for the same reasons that any dating sciencepersonality change can be hard. What we
re doing in the LoveSystems approach (as explained throughMagic Bullets, theLove Systems
Routines Manual, and theInterview Series subscription  and backorders) is calibrating specific aspects of our personality. So, let
s say you were like I was ten years ago... and you need to be
less nice.
 Well, how much less? How do we know when we getit right? And here
s a potential problem. If you could map every attributeof your personality from 1-10, you could probably determine anideal range for every characteristic, and it
s seldom on theextreme. Even among the eight attraction triggers discussed inMagic Bullets(the eight characteristics that virtually all womenrespond to, no matter who they 
or you
are), you can go toofar. Take confidence, for example. Being an 8 out of 10 or a 9 outof 10 in terms of confidence is great. Being 10 out of 10 is... a little bit weird. Women might find that intimidating, or assume you arecovering something up or are weird or inhuman in some way. Well, niceness works the same way. If you made a range where
 was a
 was a
 you might want to bearound a 6 to an 8. [Don
t take the actual numbers too seriously;this is to illustrate an idea.] And a lot of 
nice guys
are around a 3.  What happens a lot is that guys experiment with being more of a jerk. They get some results. They push a bit more. They get moregreat results. Then inexplicably, some women start havingnegative reactions. What
s happened is that this hypothetical guy is hitting a 9 or a 10on the scale. But it
s hard to realize this, because most men areconsciously or subconsciously changing how they presentthemselves along a bunch of different dimensions. So the guy whois being less nice is also using the Emotional Progression ModelfromMagic Bulletsand delivering great routines adapted from theLove Systems
Routines Manual. Overall he is getting better with women, but this overall improvement masks the fact that he
sgone too far in one area.This happens a LOT. Unless you have access to master instructorslike on aLove Systems
Bootcampwho are experienced andtrained in observing different men approaching women andcoaching them to greater success, it
s nearly impossible for most
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 ve trained hundreds of guys in the lastfour years, including several who have gone on to becomeinstructors with Love Systems 
most men need to learn the rangeof useful behavior. Moreover, you need to develop an instinctivefeel for it. You need to get used to the signs you get when you
re being too nice. You need to get used to the signs you get when you
re being too much of a jerk. You need to be able to recognizethese early, when you
re only a little bit outside of the ideal range,so you can calibrate back into it quickly. With practice andexperimentation, this will come naturally. You actually do this already. Let
s use the example of just talkingto a friend. You know what the ideal volume range is fromexperience. But if you come in outside that range
say you
 ve just gotten off the plane and your ears are plugged and you don
trealize how loudly you are talking
you will quickly andinstinctively give yourself the feedback you need to change...often without thinking about it. When you
re too loud, you mightnotice other people looking in your direction more than usual, you might notice your friend shifting his head back and lookingless relaxed, or you might feel a difference in your chest. When you
re being too quiet, your friend will lean in to hear you, hemight look like he is concentrating on what you
re saying morethan normal, and so on. All of these are feedback mechanisms thatlet you modify your behavior. And they work, because you havelots of experience with being too loud or too quiet in normalsocial situations and have learned to modify how you present yourself.Learn how to tell when you
re doing too much or too little of something by being conscious of what results to expect when youdo.Let
s apply this to niceness. What are some signs that you are being too nice?She talks about other men around you.She is comfortable touching you or being touched, but there
s nosexuality behind itShe wishes her boyfriend (or more men in general) were more like you.She doesn
t get dressed up to see you (unless you are going outsomewhere).She takes calls from other men around you.Etc.[This isn
t a checklist. None of these necessarily mean you are toonice, and not all of these signs may appear even when you are being too nice.]Similarly, there are some common signs to be aware of when youare being too much of a jerk:She calls you an
(without smiling). A womancan call you evil, a jerk, bad news, or a player, and still be very attracted to you. Or she can call you anything while smiling. But
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 ve had a lot more success teaching men to be
than to be
 When you
re a jerk, you aredeliberately bringing someone else down. When you
re selfish, you are putting your own needs first. And that
s the problem formost
nice guys.
They put other peoples
needs and wants abovetheir own.I
m not advocating people be selfish for no reason. Only do this if  you are getting the
nice guy 
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t feel like going out or something moreinteresting comes up. Within reason, don
t offer to pick her up,drive her home, etc. Dates should be things that you
d enjoy doing anyway 
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Jamessaid...Just this very night, I met an attractive 26 year old gal at aget-together who was telling me she's ready to give updating because all the men she meets are too nice andclingy or jerks.She summed it up this way, "I don't want a nice-guy or jerk--I just want a man to be a man and to be able to make adecision..." APRIL 6, 2008 12:06 AM Anonymous said...Savoy,That was very enlightening, and it makes perfect sense. Allmy life I've been a pleaser. Please my parents, thenteachers, than significants, than friends, and now as a business owner...customers.The issue wasn't that I needed to "less nice", but how to goabout doing that. I can make myself selfish. I can do that.Thanks for some direction in that area.

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