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The Testimony U.S. Post Office Specter, Assistant of Breck Building,

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T E S T IM O N Y
O F
B R E C K
W ALL
(B IL L Y
R A Y
W IL S O N )
T h e
te s tim o n y
o f
B re ck
W a ll
w as
ta k e n
a t
2 :13
p .m .,
o n
A u g u s t
5 ,
1 9 6 4 ,
a t
th e
U .S .
P o s t
O ffic e
B u ild in g ,
3 0 1
S te w a rt
S tre e t,
L a s
V e g a s ,
N e v .,
b y
M r.
A rle n
S p e c te r,
a s s is ta n t
c o u n s e l
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
M ay
th e
re c o rd
s h o w
th a t
th is
d e p o s itio n
p ro c e e d in g
o f
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
o n
th e
A s s a s s in a tio n
o f
P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y
is
b e in g
ta k e n
a t
th e
U .S .
P o s t
O fF ic e
B u ild in g ,
3 0 1
S te w a rt
S tre e t.
L a s
V e g a s ,
N e v.
J fa y
th e
re c o rd
fu rth e r
s h o w
it
is
n o w
2 :13
P a c ific
d a y lig h t
tim e
o n
W ednesday,
A u g u s t
5 ,
1 9 6 4 .
P re s e n t
is
M r.
B re ck
W a ll
w ho
h a s
a p p e a re d
in
re s p o n s e
to
le tte r
n o tific a tio n
a n d
a ls o
te le p h o n e
n o tific a tio n .
M r.
W a ll,
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
h a s
a s k e d
yo u
to
a p p e a r
h e re
to d a y
to
te s tify
c o n c e rn in g
a n y
k n o w le d g e
w h ic h
yo u
m ay
h a ve
o f
M r.
J a c k
R u b y,
h is
a s s o c ia te s ,
b a c k g ro u n d \u2019,
a n d
h is
a c tiv itie s
re la tin g
to
th e
e v e n ts
o f
S o ve m b e r
2 2
th ro u g h
N o ve m b e r
2 4 ,
1 9 6 3 .
W ith
th a t
p re lim in a ry
s ta te m e n t
o f
p u rp o s e ,
I
w ill
a s k
yo u
to
ris e
a n d
ra is e
yo u r
rig h t
h a n d ,
if
yo u
w o u ld ,
p le a s e .
D o
yo u
s o le m n ly
s w e a r
th a t
th e
te s tim o n y
th a t
yo u
s h a ll
g iv e
in
th is
d e p o s i-
tio n
p ro c e e d in g
b e fo re
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
o n
th e
A s s a s s in a tio n
o f
P re s id e n t
K e n n e d y
s h a ll
b e
th e
tru th ,
th e
w h o le
tru th .
a n d
n o th in g
b u t
th e
tru th ?
M r.
W ALL.
I
d o .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W ill
yo u
s ta te
yo u r
fu ll
nam e
fo r
th e
re c o rd ,
p le a s e ?
M r.
W ALL.
h ly
le g a l
nam e
is
B illy
R ay
W ils o n
b u t
I
h a ve
u s e d
p ro fe s s io n a lly
B re ck
W a ll
fo r
th e
la s t
7
o r
8 years.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
M r.
W a ll,
d id
yo u
re c e iv e
a
le tte r
o f
n o tific a tio n
a s k in g
yo u
to
a p p e a r
h e re
to d a y
fo r
yo u r
d e p o s itio n ?
h lr.
W ALL.
y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
D id
th a t
le tte r
c o n ta in
w ith in
it
th e
E x e c u tiv e
o rd e r
c re a tin g
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n
a n d
a
c o p y
o f
th e
ru le s
a n d
re g u la tio n s
fo r
ta k in g
o f
d e p o s itio n s
b y
th e
P re s id e n t\u2019s
C o m m is s io n ?
N r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
X r.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
yo u
u n d e rs ta n d
th a t
if
yo u
w is h ,
yo u
m ay
b e
re p re s e n te d
b y
c o u n s e l
h e re
to d a y ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
D o
yo u
w a n t
to
h a ve
a n
a tto rn e y
w ith
yo u
to d a y ?
h Ir.
W ALL.
N o,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
d id
yo u
re c e iv e
th a t
le tte r?
J Ir.
W ALL.
h Io n d a y
n ig h t
a t
hom e.
I
w as
p e rfo rm in g
a t
th e
C a s ta w a y s
a n d
a
frie n d
o f
m in e
s ig n e d
th e
re c e ip t
o n
it.
h fr.
S P E C T E R .
U n d e r
th e
re g u la tio n s
yo u
a re
e n title d
to
3
d a y s \u2019
n o tic e .
A re
yo u
w illin g
to
p ro c e e d
w ith
th is
d e p o s itio n
to d a y
w ith o u t
h a v in g
th a t
n o tic e ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
is
yo u r
o c c u p a tio n
o r
p ro fe s s io n ,
M r.
W a ll?
M r.
W ALL.
P ro d u c e r;
p e rfo rm e r.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W h e re
a re
s o u
e m p lo y e d
a t
th e
p re s e n t
tim e ?
M r.
W ALL.
A t
th e
C a s ta w a y s
in
L a s
V e g a s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
is
th e
n a tu re
o f
yo u r
d u tie s
in
c o n n e c tio n
w ith
yo u r
em -
p lo y m e n t
a t
th e
C a s ta w a y s ?
M r.
W ALL.
W e ll,
I
p e rfo rm
e a c h
n ig h t.
I
d o n \u2019t
u n d e rs ta n d
w h a t
yo u
m ean
re a lly .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
s o rt
o f
p e rfo rm in g
d o
yo u
d o ?
M r.
W ALL.
C o m e d y
;
m u s ic a l
com edy.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
H ow
lo n g
h a ve
yo u
b e e n
e n g a g e d
in
th a t
ty p e
o f
a c tiv ity ?
M r.
W ALL.
A b o u t
6
y e a rs .
J lr.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
w h a t
w as
yo u r
o c c u p a tio n
b e fo re
yo u
becam e
a n
e n te rta in e r?
A ir.
W ALL.
C o lle g e
s tu d e n t.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
H ow
o ld
a re
yo u
a t
th e
p re s e n t
tim e ?
h lr.
W ALL.
T w e n ty-se ve n .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
is
yo u r
e d u c a tio n a l
b a ckg ro u n d ?
M r.
W ALL.
W e ll,
I
o n ly
h a d
1
ye a r
o f
c o lle g e ,
C n ire rs ity
o f
T e x a s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W h e re
w e re
yo u
b o ru ?
5 9 9
M r.
W .U .I..
J a c k s o n v ille ,
F ln .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
;\n tl
\\-h e w
d id
yo u
liv e ,
in
a grnrr:~l
w a y,
,1 1 1 to
th e
ljre s e n t
tim e ?
M r.
W a r.r,.
W e ll,
I
h a ve
liv e d
in
F re e p o rt.
T e x ..
th a t
is
w h e re
I
w an
ra is e d ,
a n d
D a lla s ,
S e w
Y o rk
C ity .
J a c k s o n rille .
F la .,
O rla n d o ,
F la ..
a n d
h e re .
J Ir.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
d id
yo u
liv e
in
S e w
\u2018P o rk
C ity ?
M r.
W ALL.
In
1 9 .5 4
th ro u g h
1 9 5 7 .
J L r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
w as
yo u r
o c c u p a tio n
a t
th a t
tim e ?
M r.
W ALL.
I
w o rke d
a s
a doorman
a t
L u c h o w \u2019s
o n
1 4 th
S tre e t.
J Ir.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
d id
yo u
liv e
a t
th o s e
v a rio u s
c itie s
in
F lo rid a ?
M r.
W ALL.
In
b e tw e e n -in
th e
ye a r
o f
1 9 5 7
a n d
lQ .5 8 .
I
cam e
to
D a lla s
in
S o re m b e r
o f
1 9 5 8 ,
I
b e lie re .
J lr.
X r.
s a y .

M r. M r. M r. M r. M r. M r.

M r.
M r.
M r.

S P E C T E R .
W hen
w as
it
s p e c ific a lly
th a t
yo u
liv e d
in
F lo rid a \u2019
th e n ?
W a r.~ .
It
w as
in
th e
firs t
p a rt
o f
1 9 .5 8
a n d
th e
la tte r
p a rt
o f
1 9 5 7 ,
I
w o u ld
S P E C T E R .
A n d
w h e n
d id
yo u
lir e
in
Freem an,
T e x .?
W ALL.
F re e p o rt.
S P E C T E R .
F re e p o rt,
T e x .?
W ALL.
T h ro u g h
s c h o o l
u n til
I
g ra d u a te d
in
1 9 5 3 .
S P E C T E R .
F ro m
h ig h
s c h o o l?
W PALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
S P E C T E R .
T h e n
yo u
a tte n d e d
th e
rn ire rs ity
o f
T rs a n
in
.iu s tin
fo r
a
ye a r?
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
w h e re
d id
yo u
lir e
fro m
1 9 .5 4
u n til
th e
tim e
yo u
w e n t
to
S e w
Y o rk
C ity ?
M r.
W ALL.
T h e n
S e w
Y o rk
C ity
fro m
A u s tin .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
D id
yo u
g o
d ire c tly
fro m
A u s tin
to
S e w
Y o rk
C ity ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C ~ T E R .
W h e re
d id
yo u
g o
d ire c tly
fro m
S e w
Y o rk
C ity ?
M r.
W ALL.
T o
J a c k s o n rille ,
F la .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W h e re
yo u
liv e d
fo r
th e
b a la n c e
o f
th e
tim e
u p
u n til
S o re m b e r
o f
1 9 X ?
M r.
W ALL.
R ig h t
;
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
yo u
w e n t
to
D a lla s ,
T e x .?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
d id
yo u
d o
w h e n
yo u
firs t
w e n t
to
D a lla s
in
S o re m b e r
o f
1 9 .5 8 ?
M r.
W A I.L .
I
w as
ill
a t
th e
tim e
a n d
I
h a d
to
s ta y
w ith
th e
M c K e n n a s .
I
w as
s ic k
a t
th e
tim e .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
w h e re
d o
t,h e
J Ic K e n n a s
liv e ?
M r.
W ALL.
C u rre n tly
th e y
liv e
in
G a lre s to n ,
T e x .
T h e y
m oved
fro m
D a lla s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
a re
th e
firs t
nam es
o f
th e
X c K e n n a s ?
M r.
W ALL.
Thom as
J .
M cK e n n a .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
is
th e re
a n o th e r
M cK e n n a ?
M r.
W ALL.
T h e re
a re ---y o u
m ean
a s
fa r
a s
c h ild re n ?
M r.
S P E C T E R .
Y o u
s a y
yo u
liv e d
w ith
th e
J Ic K e n n a s .
I
ta k e
it
th e re
w as
m ore
th a n
o n e
M cK e n n a
o r
w as
th e re
o n ly
o n e ?
M r.
W ALL.
X rs .
J Ic K e n n a
a n d
th re e
c h ild re n .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
h o w
lo n g
d id
yo u
s ta y
w ith
th e m
fo llo w in g
th e
tim e
yo u
jo in e d
th e m
in
N o re m b e r
o f
1 9 5 8 ?
M r.
W ALL.
I
w o u ld
s a y
a b o u t
2 m o n th s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W h e re
d id
yo u
n e xt
liv e ?
M r.
W ALL.
I
c a n \u2019t
th in k
o f
th e
nam e
o f
th e
s tre e t.
In
D a lla s .
I
liv e d
in
D a lla s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W ith
o th e rs ,
o r
b y
y o u rs e lf?
M r.
W ALL.
B y
m y s e lf.
M r.
S P E C T E F ..
H ow
d id
yo u
h a p p e n
to
kn o w
th e
M c K e n n a s ?
M r.
W ALL.
W hen
I
w as
g o in g
to
h ig h
s c h o o l,
I
w o u ld
s p e n d
th e
sum m er
w ith
m y
fa m ily
a n d
th e y
lire d
n e xt
d o o r
to
m y
fa m ily .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
A n d
w h e n
yo u
s p e n t
th e
sum m er
w ith
yo u r
fa m ily
w ho
liv e d
n e xt
d o o r
to
th e
J lc K e n n a s ,
w as
th a t
in
D a lla s ?
M r.
W ALL.
N o,
s ir;
in
F o rt
W orth.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hom
d id
yo u
liv e
w ith
w h e n
yo u
w e n t
to
s c h o o l
in
F re e p o rt?
6 0 0
J Ir.
\~ v .\~ .~ ,.
W ith
m y
g ra n d m o th e r
w ho
h a s
s in c e
d rc e a s trl.
> Ir.
S P E C T E R .
H O W
lo n g
d id
ye n
lirr
ill
~ n lln s .
T F L S .,
a fte r
S o rf,m [w r
o f
1 9 .? 8 ?
1 \Ir.
W A IL .
W hen
1
m oved
in
S o rrm h e r
o f
1 9 .5 8
th e re .
I
s ta y e d
u n til
I
ju s t
m oved.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
w as
it
th a t
g o n
le ft?
J Ir.
W IL L .
W e
le ft
in
Ja n u a ry
o f
1 9 6 -l
to
g o
to
H o u s to n .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
yro n
s a y
\u201cw e .\u201d
w h o m
d o
yo u
m ean
b y
th a t?
J lr.
W ALL.
T h e
com pany
; the
s h o w
1 am
in .
J Ir.
S P E C T E R .
W h ic h
s h o w
is
th a t?
M r.
W ALL.
B o tto m s
T p .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
H ow
lo n g
w e re
yo u
in
H o u s to n
th e n ?
J Ir.
W .4 r.1 ,.
W e
w e re
in
H o u s to n
fo r
1 2
w e e ks
a n d
th e n
fro m
H o u s to n
w e
cam e
o u t
to
L a s
V e g a s .
3 Ir.
S P E C T E R .
D o
g o u
kn o w
J a c k
R u b y?
J lr.
W .4 r.L .
Y e s ,
s ir.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen.
to
th e
b e s t
o f
yo u r
re c o lle c tio n ,
d id
yo u
firs t
m eet
M r.
R u b y?
M r.
W a r.~ .
I
n -o u ld
s a r
a h o u t
3 1 /2 y e a rs
a g o .
J Ir.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
w e re
th e
c irc u m s ta n c e s
o f
p o u r
b e c o m in g
a c q u a in te d
w ith
h im ?M r.
W a r,r~ .
W e
w e re
h a v in g
fin a n c ia l
tro u b le
a t
a
c lu b
w e
o w n e d
c a lle d
th e
P la y b ill.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hen
yo u
s a g
\u201cw e .\u201d
w h o m
d o
yo u
m ean?
M r.
W rr~ r.r..
J o e
P e te rs o n ,
m y
p a rtn e r.
W e
n e e d e d
a
p la c e
to
g o
to
d o
a
s h o w .
.J a c k
R u b y
o ffe re d
a
ve ry
lu c ra tiv e
o ffe r
to
p la y
h is
n e w
c lu b .
It
w as
th e n
c a lle d
th e
S o v e re ig n
C ln h
w h ic h
la te r
becam e
th e
C a ro u s e l.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
S ow .
w h a t
w as
th e
n a tu re
o f
th e
lu c ra tiv e
o ffe r
w h ic h
M r.
R u b y
m ade
to
T o n ?
M r.
W A I.~ ..
W e ll,
I
th in k
h e
w as
g o in g
to
p a y
u s .
1
th in k ,
I\u2019m
n o t
s u re ,
$ 1 2 5
a week
p lu s
w e
w e re
o n
a s m a ll
p e rc e n ta g e
o f
th e
c lu b .
J lr.
S P E C T E R .
H ow
lo n g
d id
yo u
p la y
fo r
M r.
R u b 7
a t
th e
S o v e re ig n
C lu b ?
J Ir.
W ALL.
I
w o n ld
s a y
a b o u t
8 weeks.
M aybe
le s s .
J Ir.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
h a p p e n e d ,
if
a n y th in g .
to
te rm in a te
th a t
a rra n g e m e n t?
M r.
W ALL.
W e
g o t
in to
a n
argum ent
o ve r
a
c o n tra c t
th a t
I
h a d
s ig n e d
s ta tin g
th a t
I
w o u ld
p e rfo rm
th e
s h o w
fo r
o n e
n ig h t
fo r
a ro u n d
$ 2 .2 0 0 .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
s h o w
w e re
yo u
s u p p o s e d
to
p e rfo rm
fo r
o n e
n ig h t?
X r.
W ALL.
B o tto m s
U p.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
F o r
w hom ?
M r.
W ALL.
I
d o n \u2019t
re c a ll
th e
nam e
o f
th e
o rg a n iz a tio n .
It
w as
a
n u rs e s \u2019
o rg a n iz a tio n .
X r.
S P E C T E R .
W h e re
w as
th a t
s h o w
s u p p o s e d
to
h e
p e rfo rm e d ?
> Ir.
W ALL.
In
th e
b a llro o m
o f
th e
H o te l
A d o lp h u s .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
w as
th e
n a tu re
o f
F o u r
d is a g re e m e n t
w ith
M r.
R u b y?
M r.
W ALL.
H e
w as
in
a
fin a n c ia l
b in d
b e c a u s e
th e
s h o w
w a s n \u2019t
w o rk in g
o u t
lik e
h e
th o u g h t
a n d
w e
w e re
in
a
fin a n c ia l
b in d
a n d
n e e d e d
th e
m oney
a n d
h e
w o u ld
le t
u s
d o
it
o n ly
if
w e
w o u ld
g iv e
h im
h a lf.
W e
c o u ld n \u2019t
b e c a u s e
w e
c o u ld n \u2019t.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
d o
yo u
m ean
\u201cw e \u201d?
Y o u
s till
m ean
J o e
P e te rs o n
a n d
yo u ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s .
A n d
w e
c a lle d
in
th e
u n io n
m an
o f
o u r
p e rfo rm in g
a rts
c a lle d
A G V A .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
W hat
is
th a t
a n
a b b re v ia tio n
o f?
M r.
W ALL.
A m e ric a n
G u ild
o f
V a rie ty
A rtis ts .
A n d
th e
A G V A
m an
s id e d
w ith
J a c k
a n d
w e
g o t
in to
a n
argum ent
w h e re in
J a c k
p u n c h e d
J o e
in
th e
m o u th
a n d
b ro ke
o ff
a to o th .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
J o e
P e te rs o n .
th a t
is ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s ,
s ir.
A n d
w e
le ft
th a t
n ig h t.
I
m ig h t
a ls o
a d d
in
th e
re c o rd
th a t
th e
m an,
th e
nam e
o f
th e
m an
re p re s e n tin g
o u r
u n io n ,
w as
nam ed
Jam es
D o le n
w ho
w as
a rre s te d
la te r,
som e
m o n th s
la te r,
b y
th e
F B I.
M r.
S P E C T E R .
O n
w h a t
c h a rg e ,
if
yo u
kn o w ?
M r.
W ALL.
Y e s .
s ir:
a s
fa r
a s
I
kn o w
h e
w as
ru n n in g
som e
s o rt
o f
b in g o
gam e
o r
s o m e th in g
ille g a l
in
L o u is ia n a .
M r.
S P E C T E R .
D id
yo u
p e rfo rm
th a t
s h o w
B o tto m s
U p?
6 0 1
7 3 1 -2 3 0
0 --6 4 -v o l.
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