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Michael Kell, M.D., Ph. D.,interviewed William PatrickPatterson on his weekly radio show
Mind, Body, Senses
overVoiceAmerica: Health, WellnessNetwork. Here are extracts. Michael John Kell:
Today we’re going to be talking to William Patterson, alongtime student of Lord Pentland, who was a student of Gurdjieff andOuspensky. And we’ll be talking about his new book,
Spiritual Survival in aRadically Changing World-Time,
The Fourth Way and Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff didn’twrite that much, but his students really did.
William Patrick Patterson:
Well, he wrote
All and Everything
, three series of books. The first book is 1,248 pages, so that’s fairly long. But what we need tounderstand with Mr. Gurdjieff, I think, is that at a very early age he came to whathe called “a complete sensation of myself.” In other words,
And he lookedaround and he saw all the suffering, all the misery, and violence. And thequestion dawned on him—“What is the sense and significance of life on Earthand human life in particular?” He felt that the ancient wisdom societiesunderstood this question and had the answer. And that was the reason he wentto Egypt. He said he was initiated four times into the Egyptian mysteries. And herecognized that there was, as he said, “a Christianity before Christ.” And it is thisthat Gurdjieff’s Fourth Way teaching is based upon—the ancient prehistoricEgyptian religion, which was the religion of Being.Now over time elements of that teaching spread northward, so Gurdjieff made a second journey into the Hindu Kush and Tibet and gathered variouselements and reformulated them into the teaching he called The Fourth Way.
I am curious about the references to esoteric Christianity, “aChristianity before Christ.” Did people ever press him harder about this, forcehim to be more explanatory?
No, no one did. But the basis of the Work is that we’re not here,consciously, though we think we are. We’re mechanical and we don’t realize this.