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From: Phil Jones <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>To: Ben Santer <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>Subject: Pete MayesDate: Thu Feb 19 09:28:xxx xxxx xxxxBen,Every now and then - generally around an England game (probably now as we've justdrawn with Portugal) or lamenting the fall of Liverpool, I get emails andsometimes phonecalls from Pete Mayes !! Pete wants to get back into climate change and do somecomparisons between real world data and some models. It is a pity he wasn't thiskeen,when he first went to the US !Anyway I suggested he contact you. He has but he's not got a reply. I guess you'rebusyand/or don't know how to reply. I'm sure he doesn't know what he really wants. Igave himsome references etc to look over and your name/email - so SORRY !!!!I guess I'll see you just after Easter. Will you be here for the HC meeting aswellas IDAG?It will be good to see Tom in Oxford - he should liven up the IDAG discussions.Hope all is well with you and Nick !CheersPhilPS I see Steve has replied to MM re the MBH review. This nearly got out of hand -it stillcould. Appalling paper in GRL in the Feb04 issue - Mike Mann's written a response.Clearly another case of the GRL editor's having no idea of the science. Who intheir rightmind would accept that for publication. Nowhere on the CRU site does it say thatHadCRUT2vis the IPCC data. According to the HC the IPCC data is the OA version HadCRUT - nov, no2.The data is on the HC web site. There is a link to it from the CRU site. Whengetting datafrom the CRU site we ask people to refer to some of the papers and to use thedatasetnames. Soon et al didn't do either. Paper attached as I have it.Just had a paper accepted by Reviews of Geophysics with Mike Mann on the climateofthe last 2k years. Expecting flak for this, but it had 4 very positive reviews.For some inane reason I put my name forward to do the chapter on atmospheric obs.forAR4. Hope I don't get picked.Prof. Phil JonesClimatic Research Unit Telephone +44 xxx xxxx xxxxSchool of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 xxx xxxx xxxxUniversity of East AngliaNorwich Email p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxxNR4 7TJUK----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Original Filename: 1077829152.txt | Return to the index page | Permalink | EarlierEmails | Later EmailsFrom: Phil Jones <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>To: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>Subject: Crap PapersDate: Thu Feb 26 15:59:xxx xxxx xxxxMike,Just agreed to review a paper for GRL - it is absolute rubbish. It is having a goattheCRU temperature data - not the latest vesion, but the one you used in MBH98 !! Weaddedlots of data in for the region this person says has Urban Warming ! So easy reviewto do.Sent Ben the Soon et al. paper and he wonders who reviews these sorts of things.SaysGRL hasn't a clue with editors or reviewers. By chance they seem to have got therightperson with the one just received.Can I ask you something in CONFIDENCE - don't email around, especially not toKeith and Tim here. Have you reviewed any papers recently for Science that saythatMBH98 and MJ03 have underestimated variability in the millennial record - frommodelsor from some low-freq proxy data. Just a yes or no will do. Tim is reviewing them- Iwantto make sure he takes my comments on board, but he wants to be squeaky clean withdiscussing them with others. So forget this email when you reply.CheersPhilProf. Phil JonesClimatic Research Unit Telephone +44 xxx xxxx xxxxSchool of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 xxx xxxx xxxxUniversity of East AngliaNorwich Email p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxxNR4 7TJUK----------------------------------------------------------------------------Original Filename: 1078236401.txt | Return to the index page | Permalink | EarlierEmails | Later EmailsFrom: Phil Jones <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>To: Ben Santer <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>Subject: Re: [Fwd: More PCM-ERA40 comparisons]Date: Tue Mar 2 09:06:xxx xxxx xxxxBen,Thanks for the plots and keeping me up to date. The ERA-40/CRU comparisonsare quite interesting. I'm hopeful Adrian will write up a summary for publicationinadditionto an ECMWF report.

This sort of thing is important wrt IPCC and also papers such as Kalnay and Cai.I'm also working with Russ Vose and others at NCDC to get a comparison of CRU/GHCNand NASA datasets in GRL. NCDC have used their first difference technique with CRUdata. Differences are very, very small due to data and the technique doesn'tmatter mucheither. All seems to boil down to how the global average is defined. Calculated asonedomain as NCDC (and until recently the HC as well) want to do it, it is biased tothe NH.If you do it the CRU way (G=0.5(NH+SH)) then it looks much more like an OA versionof HadCRUT2v that the HC have just produced. Been saying this for years as hasTom,so no surprises. Finally got the HC to realise it, now just need to convince NCDC.NCDC will also have a new 5 by 5 deg gridded dataset of Tx and Tn soon, right uptothe present. Need to compare this with ERA-40.CheersPhilAt 18:46 01/03/2xxx xxxx xxxx, you wrote:Dear Phil,Here are the PCM/ERA-40 2m temperature comparisons that I mentioned in my emailto Adrian....Cheers,Ben------------------------------------------------------------------------------PCMDI HAS MOVED TO A NEW BUILDING. NOTE CHANGE OF MAIL CODE!Benjamin D. SanterProgram for Climate Model Diagnosis and IntercomparisonLawrence Livermore National LaboratoryP.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.Tel: (9xxx xxxx xxxxFAX: (9xxx xxxx xxxxemail: santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx----------------------------------------------------------------------------Return-Path:<santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov ([128.115.41.83] verified)by popcorn.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6)with ESMTP id 34392268 for santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:00:xxx xxxxxxxxReceived: from pierce.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1])by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3pxxx xxxx xxxx/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.13 $) with ESMTPidi1R20OE6003673for <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:00:xxx xxxx xxxx(PST)Received: from smtp-3.llnl.gov (smtp-3.llnl.gov [128.115.41.83])by pierce.llnl.gov (8.12.3pxxx xxxx xxxx/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.5 $) with ESMTP idi1R20NkO028603for <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:00:xxx xxxx xxxx(PST)Received: from popcorn.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1])by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3pxxx xxxx xxxx/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.13 $) with ESMTPidi1R208Af003594;Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:00:xxx xxxx xxxx(PST)