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jtango about 1 month ago

Thanks, Athena. Great job.

nonameed 3 months ago

What a panty waste.....

3000 years ago?????

who was it that died in 1000BC?

Idiot.

Ankharan 6 months ago

Looks like someone needs to actually study history and current events. This truth is nothing more than a rant of misinformation and biased ignorance perpetuating a "Myth" herself.

geohar 6 months ago

Wow, its just a soapbox for some sad little liberal to spout more liberal lies.

EdKnowsAll 11 months ago

PART 2:
** "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with NONE"--Thomas Jefferson
** "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government"
--Thomas Jefferson
** "In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot"--Mark Twain
** "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the Government fears the people, there is liberty"--Thomas Jefferson
** "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.--Buddha
(here's one for those who make excuses for Amerca's poor education ranking worldwide)
** "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free...It expects what never was and never will be"--Thomas Jefferson
And the final quote:
"Stop being good Republicans, stop being good Democrats, start being good Americans"
--Author unknown

EdKnowsAll 11 months ago

This country (the U.S.) has far more problems than most of you people know. Look up the movies "The Future of Food", or "The world according to Monsanto". Political party is the LEAST of your worries. But I do have some good news to offer you: most of your government officials are not out to get you. The bad news is that their self-serving plans are in fact detrimental to the U.S. This goes equally for both Democrats and Republicans alike. They all "slop" out of the same trough. Do you want to get a good picture of what a political candidate is really about? Look up the sources of their campaign contributions, then look into what these contributors are really about. How about membership in the CFR? If the CFR has their way, it will be the ruin of this country. Look into it THOROUGHLY before you say that "magic" word of discredit that most people have been programmed to respond with: "CONSPIRACY". At least one of the Rockefellers, who was a member of the CFR said outright in his book that his plans were NOT in the best interest of the U.S.. They only serve themselves. And as far as our form of government goes, the U.S. was NOT meant to be a Democracy. It was supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. Ever hear the words in "The Pledge of Allegiance"? This is supposed to be a Republic. As one of the great founders of this nation once stated: "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner".-- Benjamin Franklin
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And a few other great quotes:
** "He who knows nothing is nearer the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors".
--Thomas Jefferson
** "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases" --Thomas Jefferson
** "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security"
--Benjamin Franklin
** "What luck for rulers that men do not think"-- Hitler
** "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"--James Madison
** "Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that talked about such a thing"--Dwight D. Eisenhower
** "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires"--Susan B. Anthony
** "America will never be destroyed from the outside/ If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves"--Abraham Lincoln
** "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home"
** "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all na...

jhonny05 about 1 year ago

Liberal- like "Jesse" Jackson.(?)
More like "MICHAEL" Jackson.
He who wrote this is retarded or was raised

jhonny05 about 1 year ago

He layed his life 3000 yrs ago, for idiots like you.

jhonny05 about 1 year ago

This guy ignorant! To the CORE !!!

thisarticleiscrap about 1 year ago

Centrist, while I agree with many of your points I don't think anyone (or at least not myself) thinks America is the best country for everything. Of course not. There are plenty of things that our country could learn from other countries. However I am tired of people acting like America is a sinking ship or as if it is behind Europeon countries. Any way you slice it Iceland and Scandenavian countries are much easier to govern than the U.S. They are all signifigantly smaller and are (for the most part) filled with people of the same race and religion. This is what makes America truely great. We have just about evry type of person here. Black, white, hispanic, asian, catholic, jewish, protestant, mormon, hindu, athiest...its all here. I wish people would stop complaing that America is so behind and be proud of the diverse, affluent place in which they live freely. If you really feel America is such a bad place then either work hard to make it better or leave. I am just sick of so many fellow Americans and Europeons believing that the U.S. is backwards.
Also one point I forgot to make in my last post. Somewhere in this article it states "so much for those 'socialist' Europeons and 'backwards' Asians. Since when is anyone calling Iceland or Sweeden socialist? I believe socialist is directed toward former Soviet Union countries such as the Ukraine, Serbia or Albania. And yes much of Asia is very "backwards." The middle east, India, Mongolia among other countries happen to be extremly poor and many are very un-democratic. No one is calling Japan or South Korea "backwards." One last quick point. The media is very liberal. While Fox may be conservative-dominated the same case can not be made for the 3 biggest stations, CBS, ABC, and NBC. A university (unfortuantly I do not remember which) conducted research on this matter in 2004 and concluded that about 70% workers in the media considered themselves as democratic rather than republican.

Centrist about 1 year ago

strive for betterment

Centrist about 1 year ago

I would like to start off by thanking summerblaze for being one of the few people that posted comments that used facts, eloquent language and proper grammar. The original writer of this blog makes good points though uses quiet a bit of profanity which can lessen the impact of an argument and make the writer sound angry and less intelligent. I won't reiterate the argument about the founding fathers because whether you believe it or not summerblaze and Athena are correct. I would like to examine some facts about the type of government that we have in America for those that may be confused it is a democracy, which is based on the Ancient Greek form of government established in Athens, who were not christians but rather the much hated Pagans. That fact is for all those that tote that Democracy is a Christian ideal. The judicial system that we imploy in this country was also based on principles adopted from another non-christian culture, the vikings, shock, I know, but the idea of twelve peers from the community passing judgement on the accused comes from them.
Another thing that bothered me when reading the comments was the Post by the Dr. which stated that memebers of the Democratic Party are members of the socialist Party. This is absolutely not true and unfounded. Exept for a few members on the fringes I believe that most Democrates believe in the free market. To lump a whole party because of people that may be on the fringe is dangerous because it allows statements like Republicans are dumb bible thumpers when the majority of Republicans are people who live in the suburbs and have more than one kid.
My last point America is a great country but to think that we are the greatest in every aspect is arrogant and well, small minded. America like everyone and just about everything is not perfect and has room for improvement. Stating that it needs work isn't un-American or Anti-American its just common sense. People should remember that are country was founded by people that didn't agree with how their government was treating them. It's American in its fullest to be critical and express one's opinions, our founding fathers did that quiet well.

thisarticleiscrap about 1 year ago

This is ******* crap. Whoever wrote this and whoever is involved with this website should be ashamed. First off most of your "truths" weren't true. Secondly, you only handpicked things that we weren't #1 in. What about our #1 GDP? I also find it interesting that you wrote America is #32 in freedom of press? How is that so when you can write this ******* hippie crap you no good piece of ****. You think we can do better? Maybe so but I think we are doing pretty damn good considering we have the 3rd most land and people to govern in the world. Yet somehow we find ourselves with the richest economy (even in a time of near-recession) and most powerful military. You want to know why little Finish kids can read better than U.S. kids? We have millions of people here who can't speak english, we have pot-smoking hippies like you and with a population so much larger than scandenavian countries or other countries like Iceland and South Korea we have much more mentally handicaped and some people who don't give a **** about academics. You claim you aren't a liberal. Ha! You are as liberal as Jesse Jackson or Al Gore you stupid *****. I also love how you completly stereotype republicans. Yeah we all don't care about the troops and live in the backwoods of Kentucky and Mississippi. Give me a break! For your information I am a republican living in Philiadelphia suburbs. I happen to be 7th in my class out of 384 kids. If you want to stereotype like that than you are probably in San Fransisco right now making out with your girlfriend smoking weed all day long. This article is truely disgusting! If Iceland, Sweeden, Finland, Norway, Canada, South Korea, and other countries are so much better why don't you live there? If you havn't forgot in America you are aloud to travel to other countries. Of course you probably think the banjo-playing hillbillies will stop you, right? Damn I wish you born in Darfur, or North Korea, maybe Saudi Arabia. Then fuckheads like you would realize how great America really is.

Grim about 1 year ago

MYTH

Nearly all of your so-called truths

Summerblaze. about 1 year ago

To anonymous: Are you responding to Summerblaze? What are you talking about? Did you read the posts? I don't recall swearing once and could you please point out where my writing is unintelligible? Also, at least have the cojones to post under a name so that your comments can be tracked to you specifically and we can debate.

Anonymous about 1 year ago

you make some fairly good arguments. it would make you seem more credible if you kept your language intelligible and used intelligent words(not swear words). just an idea.

Summerblaze about 1 year ago

(continued from below) I saved your best point for last, the Pledge of Allegiance. I sincerely hope, for the sake of this back and forth discussion, that this isn’t your best form of evidence. If it is, you must doff your hat, sir. This is the easiest point to counter, as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the formation of our country or it’s government. You have disparaged current history books in a previous post, so let me make sure that we agree on one basic fact before I continue. The U.S.A. was founded in 1776, correct? I’m certain we concur on this point. How then is the Pledge evidence of the historicity of America as a Christian Nation when it was written in 1892 and contained no reference to god? The original text, as written by Francis Bellamy; “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” It wasn’t changed to include the term “under God” until 1954, when it was amended to further differentiate the U.S. from the perception of the Atheistic Communist during the Cold War.
I maintain that your idyllic Christian Nation has never existed in North America. God is never mentioned in the Constitution. The first amendment is not evidence either, as it is designed only to prevent religious persecution and specifically forbids any law that is preferential of one religion over another. You, and others of your ilk, who prey upon the ignorant by invoking the name of god or Jesus to sway opinion should be ashamed of yourselves. You have proven nothing in this argument except for the fact that your position is historically untenable. Pre-American, European facts are not evidence of your Christian Nation. While it is true that the large majority of early settlers on this continent were of some Christian faith, it is not true that this country was ever intended to be a Theocracy. I decry your attitudes and opinions on this matter. If you have any real evidence, please try to redeem yourself. Know this, however. I am not some ignorant who will be swayed by your obscure yet easily referenced “evidence”. Present something that legitimately supports your claim or quit posting.

Summerblaze about 1 year ago

RE “Dr.” Anderson- Your post was cut off midway, as I have also been cut off, so I apologize if your actual evidence was contained in the latter part of your writing. I certainly saw nothing conclusive in your arguments other than the fact that European royalty of the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries were Christians. Correct me if I am wrong, please, but this is 21st century America. As to your “evidence”, I will address them individually. Christopher Columbus sailed for the Spanish royalty, which had nothing to do with the settlement of the original colonies. Columbus has nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever. I advise you to choose your facts more carefully, especially as Columbus was a kidnapper of Native Americans and condoned rape on at least one occasion (is that the Christian example you look to?). As to the Virginia charter you are correct in that KING JAMES OF ENGLAND (again, not America) granted rights to the Virginia Company of London (a British Company, not American) to, among other things, distribute land in the then British territory of Virginia. We’re still not to any American evidence, are we?
There is the Mayflower Compact, though, right? Wrong. The text that you quoted is correct. I cede that point easily. Where you are again mistaken, however, is pointed out in your own post. The compact was written PRIOR to the Mayflower setting sail. As such, being written in England over 150 years before the founding of America as a separate, sovereign nation, it is irrelevant.
On to your next point, the 1629 Massachusetts charter, what you posted was not only taken out of context, it too is irrelevant to our discussion. The original text reads “…..our said People, Inhabitants there, may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good Life and orderlie Conversacon, maie wynn and incite the Natives of Country, to the KnowIedg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Saulor of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intencon, and the Adventurers free Profession, is the principall Ende of this Plantacion”. This is clearly a call for the proselytization of Native Americans, not a declaration of theocratic government. It was also written under the authority of King Charles of England. I’m guessing that being the King of England would preclude one from citizenship in America, even if it had existed as a country in 1629.
As to William Penn’s 1701 charter of privileges for Pennsylvania, in 1701 William Penn was living in England. Penn’s father had been an Admiral in the Royal Navy of England. Penn himself was granted the land of Pennsylvania by Charles II as payment on a loan from Admiral Penn. Once again, what do the words of an Englishman who never saw the formation of the United States have to do with our government? I say to you sir, nothing.
I saved your best point for last, the Pledge of Allegiance. I sincerely hope, for the sake of this back and forth disc...

Ree about 1 year ago

Nice on myth 4 and 5. About time we realize!

Dr. Paul Anderson about 1 year ago

Report Number: House Report 108-691
Title: PLEDGE PROTECTION ACT OF 2004
Committee: COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY



`UNDER GOD' IN THE PLEDGE IS ONE OF INNUMERABLE HISTORICAL REFERENCES TO AND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS OF AMERICA'S RELIGIOUS HERITAGE
Striking down the words `under God' in the Pledge--and thereby precluding acknowledgment of the religious ideas that inspired momentous events in our Nation's history--would preclude public recognition of America's most significant historical landmarks. What follows is only a partial list of religious references in places and events that have defined American history.

Christopher Columbus set sail `by the Grace of God' with the `hope[] that by God's assistance some of the continents and islands in the oceans will be discovered.' Rector v. Holy Trinity Church, 143 U.S. 457, 465-66 (1892).

Virginia's first charter granted by King James I commenced with the words: `We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring . . . a settled and quiet Government. . . .' Rector v. Holy Trinity Church, 143 U.S. 457, 466 (1892).

On November 11, 1620, prior to embarking for the shores of America, the Pilgrims signed the Mayflower Compact that declared: `Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid.' Rector v. Holy Trinity Church, 143 U.S. 457, 466 (1892).

The Massachusetts 1629 charter declared, `[O]ur said people . . . be so religiously, peaceably, and civilly governed as their good life and orderly conversation may win and incite the natives . . . to the knowledge and obedience of the only true God and Savior of mankind, and the Christian faith, which . . . is the principal end of this plantation.' Documents of American History 18 (Henry Steele Commager ed., Meredith Publishing Co. 7th ed. 1963).

In the charter of privileges granted William Penn to Pennsylvania in 1701, it is recited, `Because no People can be truly happy, though under the greatest Enjoyment of Civil Liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Consciences, as to their Religious Profession and Worship; And Almighty God being the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits; and the Author as well as Object of all divine Knowledge, Faith, and Worship, who only doth enlighten the Minds, and pe...

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