10 lt 12 13 14 1s 16 wy 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 255 Pannell RYAN PANNELL, Was thereupon called as a witness on behalf of the State and, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows MR. REES: Go ahead and sit down. Then if you would state your first and last names please and spell them. THE WITNESS: First name is Ryan R-Y-ACN, P-A-N-N-E-L-L. EXAMINATION BY MR. REES Q Mr. Pannell, where do you live? A Sandy Terrace Apartments, Apartment 34. Q And would you stand up for one second. We have a diagram of the apartments that you can use. Why don't you point out for us -- don't block with your body, if possible, but point out for us your apartment. A Uhm, it's right here It's on the top floor. Number 34? Yeah. Is that right? > Oo PO Yes Q All right. ‘Thank you. You can be seated. Were you in your apartment on the afternoon of Friday, January 29th, when the shooting happened?| | 10 1 12 13 4 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 256 Pannell A Yes. Q And are you familiar with your neighbor in apartment No. 37, Angie Jones? A No. Q Have you ever met her before? A I don't really know many of my neighbors. @ How long have you lived in the apartments? A About like two years, I guess. @ Do you =~ do you know Mr. Aaron Campbell? A No, never met him either. Q The man who was shot, never met him either? A No. @ And I understand that you viewed part of the police activity, at least, through your son's bedroom window, looking out over the parking lot? A It was my daughter's, actually. My son was in his bedroom window. I was trying to get him out of it. Q Okay. A And then when everything happened -- when the guy came out, he called and I got him out of the window. And I went into my daughter's room, and that's when I saw all the rest of what happened or up to ~~ guess up to the last -- the last shot, right before the last shot I got out of the window because I just wanted to make sure that he was where he was supposed to be.10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 257 Pannell Q I£ I got this right, when your son, I guess called out to you -- A Uh-hum, Q -- to say that something was happening and you ~~ you locked out the window, what was happening? Was the man in the parking lot? A Yeah, by the time I got to the window, he was already in the parking lot. I notice -- see that, this car wasn't here. That's a red Caravan. That wasn't there. That's my neighbor's car He was standing -- standing -- this is off for some reason. But he was standing on -~ see the white car was here. My car was here. This car wasn't here at all. So he was like maybe where the space should be, like at the line maybe -- maybe right -- actually, right here, this line, I think -- this line right here. When I first saw him, he was standing right there. Q What was he doing? A He had his hands up. And he was -- he had his back to the police. Q How did he have his hands up? What do you mean? A Uhm, I think he had his hands on his head like that, something like that | EGSEasas SESE eee tons een en nee eas nent en teas enteeeeeeeeesanssaetopeeusensesssnsnsntoneceeeeinasl10 4. 12 13 14 15 16 7 18 1g 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pannell foe Q Was he moving or standing still? A Tt looked like he was standing still to me. Q Was he facing the officers or facing away from the officers? A Away from them. Q And did you hear anyone say anything? A Uhm, no. I don't remember hearing them say anything, but, you know, I was trying to deal with my kid, so -- I didn't have my ear pressed to the glass. Q Were your windows closed? A Yes, but, you know, the glass isn't very good. You can hear a lot through. But like I said, I didn't really. Q You could hear, but you didn't hear? AI didn't hear anything -- shouting -- any shouting or anything like that that would have been clear for me, If they were talking ~~ they could have been talking, but I didn't hear it. Q What did you observe about the appearance, if you remember, the appearance of this man in the parking lot? A Uhm, he had a shirt on, He had his pants down below his butt. You could see the waistband of his underwear. That's -- tall, skinny, black guy. That's all I really remember.10 11 12 13 14 15 16 7 18 19 20 21 22 23 Pannell ae JUROR: Was he wearing anything over his shirt, or you could see his shirt plainly? THE WITNESS: I could see his shirt pretty plainly, his elastic waistband when he had his hands up. JUROR: Did he have a coat on? THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. REES: Q Are you sure about that? A Pretty sure. JUROR: Do you remember what color it was? THE WITNESS: Dark colors, I think. BY MR. REES:: Q What did you see happen then? A I saw him back up to that line. And then I saw them shoot him with bean bags Q And what happened? A Uhm, he did like a little -- did one like -- kind of like a dance kind of thing in place and then reached behind him where he got hit, and then he took off toward -- I guess it would be -- yeah, toward about right here. He headed over this direction, diagonally this direction, toward the stairway. And then he -- I lost view of him about right there.260 Pannell 1 JUROR: So -- so you are No. 34? 2 THE WITNESS: Uh-hum. | 3 JUROR: You are looking down that way? 4 THE WITNESS: Uh-hum. | 5 JUROR: You are seeing him from behind? 6 THE WITNESS: Uh-hum. ie JUROR: And you can clearly see his 8 waistband? He THE WITNESS: Yeah. 10 JUROR: And -- okay. Thank you. 11 JUROR: When he reached back, was he 12 reaching for his waistband or was he reaching for where 13 he was shot? | 14 THE WITNESS: It looked like he was 15 reaching where he was hit. It looked like a perfectly 16 normal reaction to being hit without knowing you were 17 going to be hit. 18 JUROR: Were you looking at his back or | 19 | front? | 20 THE WITNESS: His back at that time. I 21 never even saw his front, actually. 22 JUROR: Never saw his front? 23 THE WITNESS: Never saw his front. 24 JUROR: From what you could see, where he 25 was dancing in place, as you put it, how many times did10 qi 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2 Pannell, a it appear that he was hit by something? THE WITNESS: Three or four maybe. I think I saw maybe a B-B whiz past him -- bean bag whiz past him, maybe two. Three or four at least he got hit with. JUROR: If you had to estimate the difference from where you were standing to where he was standing, just, I mean, as close as you can is fine. THE WITNESS: Maybe 15 feet. I was closer than the cops. BY MR, REES:: @ And then what do you do when you see the bean bag gun being used? A Well, I watched him -- I watched it hit him and I watched him run, and then I grabbed my son, you know. And then I heard like a big -- a loud bang. But, you know, I thought it was two bean bags on top of each other, like simultaneous shots with bean bags. I had no idea he had been hit with an actual weapon. Q What were you looking at at that point? A Uhm, well, once he had run away, I was just looking at an empty parking lct. I don't understand the question, I guess. Q What I'm asking is at some point did you pull away from the window in order to protect your son,| | | | 10 1 12 13 14 15 16 7 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 Pannell ace PS yoursel£? A Once the -- once he was out of sight, I -- I ducked out immediately, you know. That's when I heard the last shot. So I didn't actually see the last shot -- that shot fired. I don't know what happened in that maybe two seconds between that. But -- JUROR: Did you return to the window then after you heard that shot or you stayed away from the window? TRE WITNESS: I stayed away from the window then. JUROR: Did you see a police dog? THE WITNESS: Yeah. There was a police dog by a dumpster. They positioned the dumpster to get better cover, I guess. There was a police dog there. I -- I didn't actually see him release the dog, but, you know, I heard that. MR. REES: Is that what you were asking, did you see the dog running or anything? JUROR: Right. BY MR. REES Q You never saw the dog moving about off leash? A Not really, no. I was away from the window by then. Okay. Any other questions26 Pannell from the Grand Jury? All right. Thanks for your patience, Mr. Pannell. THE WITNESS: Good luck, guys. PHILIP JOSEPH MANN, Was thereupon called as a witness on behalf of the State and, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: MR. REES: If you would be more comfortable standing, that's fine. THE WITNESS: That's all right. I have been standing an awful lot lately. EXAMINATION BY MR. REES:: Q Sir, let's begin by taving you state your name and spell your name for us? A Phillip Joseph P-H-I-L-I-P, J-O-S-E-P-H, M-A-N-N. Q What is your relationship, how are you related to Aaron Campbell? A Dora Campbell is Aaron's grandmother, and she is my significant other and has been for quite a few years. And some of the children call me "Dad". Some of them call me "Pop" and some call me "Grandfather". Aaron and his two children call me "Grandfather", and I loved him more than that, I'm sure.