scientific department in Leverkusen after he had been drafted into theWaffen
and had become an
doctor?A. It is possible that his name cropped up at a conference betweenDr. Mertens and myself, but I have no definite recollection of this.
Was it not at some conference between Dr. Mertens and your-self that it was reported to you that Vetter was a camp doctor atAuschwitz and was trying out
(Methylene Blue) on concentra-tion-camp inmates?A.
am quite sure no.That would be an affair I would most cer-tainly remember now.Duke Minskoff was now cross-examining the Professor, who wasbacking away from responsibility so swiftly and so deftly that itwas not at all certain that he would admit that the chief of hisscientific department even worked for Farben
Dr. Hoerlein, let us go back to Dr. Mertens. I call yourattention to a portion of his affidavit and ask you whether it refreshesyour recollection as to the precise nature of his responsibility. Dr.Mertens says:
"In scientific matters,
was responsible to ProfessorHeinrich Hoerlein
Now, were there conferences where theresults and' the reports which kept flowing in from the various placesof testing, were then discussed?
At these conferences Dr. ~ertens'ttended?
And at that time were the results of the testing of the variousproducts discussed?
That was his duty.
After the tests were discussed, it would be the function of theseconferences to decide whether the project was ready for the openmarket?
It was not so definite whether we discussed this in the morningat the scientific central conference or in the afternoon at the mainconference.
don't know where the decision was actually made.
And you were chairman of both conferences?
I was the chairman of both conferences.Minskoff persisted:
Dr. Mertens was the one man through whom all the clinicaltesting went?A. That is correct.
To whom in I.G. Farben did Mertens report?
Professor Mertens under his own responsibility picked out themost able and appropriate
May I interrupt? The question was: To whom did Dr. Mertensreport?
do not understand you.Professor Hoerlein saw to the very end of
answeringlater questions before they were asked, explaining unresponsiveanswers to past questions, questioning the prosecution himself,sparring with an evasiveness so furious that, taken alone, it was
useful criterion of his guilt. Hoerlein demanded that the vali-
of each question be proved by a document.Q. This decision that a product was safe for the market could bemade only at the scientific conference, of which you were chairman,
by Dr. Mertens?
Dr. Mertens was under Leverkusen. The sales at Leverkusenwere under Dr. Mann.Q. Then do I understand correctly that the scientific testing de-partment was under the defendant Mann?A.Only part of it. With a minor part of its activities, Dr. Mertenshimself was charged with responsibility.
Then here is part of Leverkusen which has no responsibilityto anyone in the
This is the one part of I.G. Farben whichhas no responsibility to either the sales
member or the Tech-nical
s that your answer?A. That was Mertens' own responsibility.Q.Then
decisions on scientific research were finally made byDr. Mertens. Is that right?
No, no. Mertens collaborated with us within the organization.
From whom does he receive his instructions? Who in I.G.Farben is above him in his own work? Or is he a law unto himself?A. I said that three times already.THE PRESIDENT:Do you have any objection to my asking him?MR. MINSKOFF:Not at all.THE PRESIDENT:Mr. Witness, the prosecution seems interested inone simple fact. Who, if anyone, was the immediate superior to Dr.Mertens in Dr. Mertens' field?HOERLEIN:Mr. President, organizationally, he was under Dr.Mann's jurisdiction. He had a small task, a second task, to be theliaison officer between the scientific laboratories in Hoechst and Elber-feld and the clinics. In this latter function, Dr. Mertens, as a physician,was himself responsible because Dr. Mann could not take this re-sponsibility from him; he was a businessman
nd I could not takeit from him because I was a chemist.THEPRESIDENT: think that answers your question, Mr. Prosecutor.
was Hoerlein's second day on the witness stand.Whether or not he had known Farben's drug Methylene Blue hadbeen tested on helpless inmates of concentration camps, the fact re-mained that the experiments had proved unsuccessful and the Ger-man government was still appealing to its scientists for an effectivemeans of combating typhus.The prosecution had conceded that by December
there wasthought to be grave danger of typhus spreading throughout Ger-