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Evidence from the federal Prop 8 trial, released by Judge Vaughn A. Walker on 4 August 2010.
Evidence from the federal Prop 8 trial, released by Judge Vaughn A. Walker on 4 August 2010.

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Trial DB_v2Trial DB_v2Nathanson, Paul (Vol. 01) - 11/12/2009
1 CLIP (RUNNING 00:15:29.063)
Starting with 029:03
NATHANSON-00221 SEGMENTS (RUNNING 00:15:29.063)1. PAGE 29:03 TO 29:19 (RUNNING 00:00:49.722)
03 165Q-Do you know what position the American04 Anthropological Association takes, if any, with05 respect to the issue of gay marriage?06 A- They support it. They support it.07 166Q-Do you know what the position, if any, of the08 American Psycho-Analytic Association is with respect09 to gay marriage?10 A- They support it.11 167Q-Do you know what the position of the American12 Psychological Association is, if any, with respect13 to gay marriage?14 A- They support it.15 168Q-Do you know what the position is of the American16 Psychiatric Association...17 A- They support it.18 169Q-... with respect to gay marriage, if any?19 A- They support it.
2. PAGE 31:23 TO 32:05 (RUNNING 00:00:26.382)
23 185Q-Are you familiar with the American Academy of24 Paediatrics?25 A- No. No, I'm sorry, I am. And they also support it.00032:01 186Q-They also support what?02 A- Gay marriage.03 187Q-Do you know any of the reasons why the American04 Academy of Paediatrics supports gay marriage?05 A- They see no problem for children.
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19 232Q-Now, using opinion in the sense that you do as a20 researcher, do you have an opinion as to whether21 permitting gay people to marry increases the22 stability in commitment of their relationship?23 A- It increases.24 233Q-It increases the stability in commitment of their25 relationship?00039:01 A- That's right.02 234Q-As a researcher, using the term "opinion" the way03 you defined it, do you have an opinion as to whether04 permitting gay people to marry increases their05 happiness and sense of security and well-being?06 Mr. PETER A. PATTERSON:07 Objection, this is beyond the scope of his08 expert report.09 A- I think it does.
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21 242Q-Let's try to break that down into two parts. First,22 you recognize that gay couples are today raising23 children, correct?24 A- Yes.25 243Q-And you believe that enabling those gay couples to00041:01 marry would enhance their ability to be good parents
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Trial DB_v2Nathanson, Paul (Vol. 01) - 11/12/2009
1 CLIP (RUNNING 00:15:29.063)
Starting with 029:03
NATHANSON-00221 SEGMENTS (RUNNING 00:15:29.063)1. PAGE 29:03 TO 29:19 (RUNNING 00:00:49.722)
03 165Q-Do you know what position the American04 Anthropological Association takes, if any, with05 respect to the issue of gay marriage?06 A- They support it. They support it.07 166Q-Do you know what the position, if any, of the08 American Psycho-Analytic Association is with respect09 to gay marriage?10 A- They support it.11 167Q-Do you know what the position of the American12 Psychological Association is, if any, with respect13 to gay marriage?14 A- They support it.15 168Q-Do you know what the position is of the American16 Psychiatric Association...17 A- They support it.18 169Q-... with respect to gay marriage, if any?19 A- They support it.
2. PAGE 31:23 TO 32:05 (RUNNING 00:00:26.382)
23 185Q-Are you familiar with the American Academy of24 Paediatrics?25 A- No. No, I'm sorry, I am. And they also support it.00032:01 186Q-They also support what?02 A- Gay marriage.03 187Q-Do you know any of the reasons why the American04 Academy of Paediatrics supports gay marriage?05 A- They see no problem for children.
3. PAGE 38:19 TO 39:09 (RUNNING 00:00:43.653)
19 232Q-Now, using opinion in the sense that you do as a20 researcher, do you have an opinion as to whether21 permitting gay people to marry increases the22 stability in commitment of their relationship?23 A- It increases.24 233Q-It increases the stability in commitment of their25 relationship?00039:01 A- That's right.02 234Q-As a researcher, using the term "opinion" the way03 you defined it, do you have an opinion as to whether04 permitting gay people to marry increases their05 happiness and sense of security and well-being?06 Mr. PETER A. PATTERSON:07 Objection, this is beyond the scope of his08 expert report.09 A- I think it does.
4. PAGE 40:21 TO 41:03 (RUNNING 00:00:25.666)
21 242Q-Let's try to break that down into two parts. First,22 you recognize that gay couples are today raising23 children, correct?24 A- Yes.25 243Q-And you believe that enabling those gay couples to00041:01 marry would enhance their ability to be good parents
CONFIDENTIALpage 1
 
 
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02 to the children they're raising, correct?03 A- Yes.
5. PAGE 49:05 TO 49:19 (RUNNING 00:00:44.525)
05 293Q-Yes. Are you aware of any peer-reviewed studies06 published as to whether permitting gay people to07 marry affects the rearing of children?08 A- Yes.09 294Q-And what peer-reviewed studies of that type are you10 aware of?11 A- Sociological and psychological ones.12 295Q-And those are sociological and psychological studies13 published by the various associations we've14 identified?15 A- Yes.16 296Q-And what do those peer-reviewed studies conclude, to17 your understanding?18 A- They don't detect problems and they don't predict19 problems.
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16 447Q-And when you say "disorder", do you mean that the17 Catholic Church no longer believes homosexual18 activity, in your opinion...19 A- M'hm.20 448Q-... to be gravely immoral?21 A- They do.22 449Q-They do believe it's gravely immoral?23 A- Yes.24 450Q-Today?25 A- Yes.00074:01 451Q-And do they say that?02 A- I don't know what words they use, but they certainly03 have made it clear that it is prohibited, which04 means that it is immoral and outside of the order of05 God.06 452Q-And a sin.07 A- Yes.08 453Q-And that's what the Catholic Church teaches its09 adherents, correct?10 A- That's correct.
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23 455Q-All right. Let me start with the biggest Protestant24 Church in the United States.25 A- M'hm.00075:01 456Q-And that that you describe is what?02 A- Southern Baptist Convention.03 457Q-And how does the Southern Baptist Convention04 describe homosexual behaviour?05 A- Sinful.06 458Q-They describe it as evil?07 A- Uh... some probably do.08 459Q-Well, does the Southern Baptist Convention itself09 describe homosexual behaviour as evil?10 A- I haven't seen statements with that word, but11 there's no... I would be inclined to say that some12 do.13 460Q-Does the Southern Baptist Convention describe14 homosexual behaviour as a perversion?15 A- Yes.16 461Q-As an abomination?17 A- Yes.18 462Q-As deviant behaviour?19 A- Yes.
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