This was sent to me so enjoy a good laugh.

RAWR dragons,
In corsepondace with this thread

Raw was asked to please his friend out of the Dragons vent. Instead himself and
LoR jumped in general channel started yelling and swearing, which is boot offens
e.

LONG VERSION HERE:

Also, if someone has issue with Dragon members, he has issue with all of us.
THIS IS NOT A CORPORATION, THIS IS A KNIGHT ORDER, A BROTHERHOOD. NO ONE WILL SU
PPORT US IF WE DONT SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

Ararat
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PostSubject: Re: Enemies of the guild are not allowed in our vent and faction To
day at 8:00 pmReply with quote
The person in question was LOR's RL brother, so if you truly think that pixels w
ill win over family, you are more than a bit deluded. We have peeps in this guil
d that truly don't like each other, but one of the major idea I liked when we ta
lked with you was let the past be the past and base attitudes on what happens go
ing forward. No need to have everyone love each other and sing songs, just treat
each other with respect and don't squad with peeps you can't stand. Drakon just
added someone to the faction that was World Chatting crap about Rawthorne an ho
ur before he joined. According to your rules, he should have been banned instead
, OR let bygones be bygones. Choose the rules and stick with them. Just because
someone personally disliked you (and all the perfect world forum stuff shows his
conflicts with you have nothing to do with the faction Drakon at all considerin
g it goes back way before Drakon even existed), should not mean that they get ba
nned from even being a guest in OUR vent.

RAT

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PostSubject: Re: Enemies of the guild are not allowed in our vent and faction To
day at 8:41 pmReply with quote
Aratat,
You have already made an offense on vent and guild chat being disrespectful prio
r to explanations me and muah gave. You have been warned. Not to mention that me
mbers are very unhappy about Raw being here at the 1st place, his issues with ev
eryone, and his lack of will to change and adopt with others and respect other p
layers (TW squads, spam, talking over ppl etc.). Same is for LoR after last nigh
t issue.
You have had no knowledge why Dominus officer is not welcome in our vent prior t
o your default Raw cheering and yelling on vent and spamming the guild chat.
Also, I dont have to prove something to enforce it 1st, as I said I will - I pos
ted why here. I have the right to ban from vent, boot players and add as long as
the terms are clear. You on the other hand have 0 rights to call me out for ban
ning players that break the code, that yell, calling me out saying this is not m
y vent for me to ban. WTF IS THAT?
VENT WE USE IS PAYED BY LEO AND LEO, MUAH AND I HAVE GENERIC ADMIN - end of stor
y. Other officers have server admin.
EVERYONE that is breaking our code can be banned and booted. You saying i dont h
ave the right to do that coz 'vent is not mine' is one more disrespectful act.
Now tho, you try to say I am deluded about something that is not even an issue?
Its untruth about me having issue with that player, nor is it true someone asked
LoR to pick: family or dragon.. that is not true. They were just asked to not h
ost him in our vent.
I never had a squad nor a pm with that dominus officer, him spamming my promotio
n thread on pwi forums just means 'he has an issue with the faction and the lead
er'.
That was not a personal thread to have personal replies etc. To be honest, one t
hread GM's deleted was about a Sanctuary BM asking whats going on on HT. On my r
eply (coz i know the fellow) that its Enrage featuring TE that made map blue rap
idly fast - this Dominus officer again quoted me insulted etc. Thread got delete
d by GMs eventually.

Overall. Guild does not care what is the offensive players relation with Dragon
members. This is a game.
When someone bashes on the guild, the guild leader, tries and works to undermine
the faction by recruiting our members with untruths starting on the official fo
rums (which is example calling the guild crap and communist), then forcing and b
ad mouthing the whole leadership in guild guild chat calling us fail (YES I KNOW
THIS I HAVE FRIENDS IN HIS FACTION) - he is not welcome.
End of story.
Muah, myself, Dark and others that were aware of LoR's brother actions knew abou
t this.
Bottom line about ''double standards'' you keep mentioning here and you have no
idea what you talking about.
Players that were ADDED AGAINST MEMBERS WILL (READ RAW and LOR) DO NOT HAVE THE
RIGHT TO BAN ANYONE FROM THE FACTION, NOR ASK FOR PERSON TO NOT BE ADDED - UNLES
S THAT SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG IN THE FACTION ITSELF.
Raw and LoR were about to get booted. Everyone that yells, screams, spams - is b
eing disrespectful and is breaking the CoC BEING RIGHT OR WRONG IS BAN-ABLE OFFE
NSE.
They pick not to listen to me and muah about this, nor to look at forums of pwi
(like link i posted where he is CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT A GUILD CHARTER BEING CRAP
AND GUILD COMMUNISTIC, beside that there is no other thread on forums anymore).
No one is forced to stay here. This is a game.
BTW part of your post about real life politics and lies about the issue is being
deleted as its irrelevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Enemies of the guild are not allowed in our vent and faction To
day at 10:42 pmReply with quote
Mono,
First time I read your message, the link to the perfect world forum didn't show
up. After I posted, I could see the link. So, I read it. IMHO, what he said abou
t Drakon or you in that thread was like at most a 1 out of 10 for disrespectful.
Heck, you were much more disrepectful of people in that thread then he was. I w
ent back and did a global search for Duckingtiger messages and read all that cam
e back to dec 2009 and actually didn't see him ever use swear words or call peop
le names, unlike the result I got from a search on your posts.
Warning for someone that is yelling or screaming is fine I guess, but trying to
scare people to not speak out against injustice and abuse of power is just sad.
I'd love to hear back from other peeps in Drakon to see what they think. Go to t
he perfect world forum and do a search on Duckingtiger and Mono and compare the
tone and attitude in posts. This whole thing is supposed to be about having fun
and working together, not having someone tell us what to think or say.
RAT
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New postSubject: Re: Enemies of the guild are not allowed in our vent and factio
n Today at 10:52 pmReply with quote
Like I said to raw when he sent me a private message. That coming in yelling was
n't going to solve anything. If someone comes to you yelling and screaming like
you just shot them in the leg for no reason.. will obviously make you offensive
no matter if you are right or wrong. Being backed into a corner especially in fr
ont of OTHERS who were also in the channel would obviously not go well for anyon
e. I was very very close to Muting them both and then letting them talk one at a
time. That is why I left rawthorne muted while LoR was talking. ( even though I
was being messaged to unmute by him). Now there was many ways to handle this be
tter but emotions get the best of everyone. However, the ventrilo is maintained
by the leader/director/marshals/executors. With leo not being as familiar with v
ent as mono is, the job falls not to the person paying for it but the leader to
take care of the server. So in essence the server IS his. (But of course Leo can
over ride, but I wouldn't go running to her to go behind an admin for a result
in a situation you favor). Anyway.

Mono has already posted some evidence of ducking being against the faction. If y
ou support the faction and the leader.. then someone bashing one or both.. what
are they saying about you? It may not be a personal attack but its grouping all
of us together.
Now, I know for a fact LoR has a vent server of her own. As a group for BH's, ni
rvana etc, people have moved to that vent. If ducking was not welcomed in Drakon
vent, they could have moved to her vent .. rather than yelling. But that didn't
happen. Instead I got to sit there and listen to them unleash some kind of hate
on mono.. not irritation but hate lol. I wanted to mute so bad. You have nooo i
dea. And finally once they both left it was only Ararat in the channel and I got
to say something. (btw i forgot to mention rat that ducking told my brother tha
t biscuiteater ragequit the game, which him being in Drakon its evident he didn'
t.)
With all the spam in faction chat many didn't know what was going on and really
didn't want to listen to it, or did not agree with what was being said by Rawtho
rne and anyone else who was part of it. I decided to check in faction after watc
hing vent to see if anything was going on and right there... blue chat scrolling
telling me to boot raw... So not only mono was getting those pm's. Even faction
mates were telling them to stop whining and "discussing" the issue within facti
on chat. But the voices of the members were not listened to either. So, what els
e is there to do? Boot them or let them leave. Which ever came first. (they left
first). study