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was really worried that we
weekend writing the hostage list urn
LT So spent the
and
the tree for all kinds of interesting things
and examines
tool that pools the tree
if
be extra careful with them because
in them so that we should
have copyrights
theres
you use Dons
tool to change it
the owners of various things
to change
file To file
you do
link here to do that OK and so how do you sign sign
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LT Right and so as soon as we start doing it they will disappear from this list and so
all the files that Jamie did which put the NPL in are ready to be signed right now
Youve got that youve got that whole thing about how to sign and everything else
on the top of the web page So Garret could leave here and say feel
LT Right the check list is on the page Michael read the check list this morning
OK uh what sort of progress do we want to see on this as any kind of metric over
the next few days so we can feel warm and fuzzy about Monday...500 good files
-tomorrow or.
LT Id like to see us get as much as the cruft out of there as possible so that we could
know..
agree
MT Also do we have general agreement that you can sign file as long as that the
TH cant think of any real valid reason why that would be bad thing to do Chris
Brian
MT No
Can it be 2.anything
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LT Yes
the
Leave the Torvald were going to pull against tip
be into the
is going...might going
LT 2.1 though is...anything thats 2.1 or greater
and then..
Right what Im saying is you could sign it if it meets all the criteria
MT Work on it in here
Work on it in here
finishes all of
mean tonight everyone
Theres gonna have to be changes suppose
this
mean you think
is
checklist which is the criteria for going out of the building
OK to out of the building its two things you think this OK to go out of the
go
make..
TH And any subsequent changes youre going to
Th Whoa why is
my name on those
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meeting we dont
tomorrOw 130
LT We will do this meeting at
LT OK..
etc etc
bugs can we get you help etc
Ml And what are we doing about the remaining
130
MT Its going to be tomorrow after
Do 230
LT you want
to do it tomorrow at
Mt 230
230
LT all right tomorrow at
break
Failure to communicate
Checklist
TH Which one
Gemini
John Charles
Ml What else...are we done OK mark get set go...security
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make sure he doesnt break
the tip now to
the tree is closed hes updating against
he check in
anything when
work with..
MT What
asked him OK
work on it all night long
to me...he said hes going to
JC Listen
to it to build again
how long is it
going to take you get
conservatively realistically
the tree..
No we cant have
again tomorrow
not
working on this all by himself is
to me that Jeff
TH So at this point
it seems likely
we should have FE
be build related problems
of resources if its gonna
good use
in helping him
people jumping
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and or some sub set
clear it
has said that he has cycles maybe he can
TI-I So MacAfee
be in this
to necessary
think Mac people are going
of Garrets team has cycles...1
endeavor..
think
whos gonna have long night
Well Jeff isnt the only one
need
this al on his own we to get
time to wait for Jeff to solve
TM Well we dont have
him
lots of people helping
although
ask people to work night
all
not that reasonable to
LT The question is its
it
to bring him
food
could maybe have someone assigned
dinner mean we
to
likely if we can tell him OK you can reduce
the scope
Right cause very
TM yeah
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ahead of your
Well this is an interesting issue thats the next one youre jumping
schedule
MT And if
you have security related question talk to Jeff
JC Uh asked him those questions and he this morning and he said he says he can
to didnt realize that the dial up code was going out for 331
bugs assigned you...he
JC Ihe dial he and steve armor are gonna worry that out think its better
up code/so
before he checks in his code he thought that he could throw us most of his
even
LT Laughs
how indefinitely
TH was not aware of this Wednesday deadline so well have to take reevaluation
when
JC when you gonna be done
is
Its not deadline...I asked Jeff are
it
gonna
work again he said uhh Ill work on it all night to night and work really hard
oI cy
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change..
Th Right
And to know when that is And guess we have to functionalize that action
want to have to force him to re-update for whatever reason well once his initial
of the changes for Java are going to be meg files stubbing out NAB Java
majority
heave look make sure that theyre distinct and then go from
we can at the set
there
so
JR We were little nervous we already had Chris Yei doing poll for verification
Also anticipating that this is going to slow us down little bit we are
possible
tonight we could probably drop windows and UNIX in were Trying to get that
straight we have Rick Potts working with us so were trying to plan contingency
the verification mode of our stuff and were verifying cross platform were not
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MT So we. .when do we believe Jeff will clear so the Java people can start Is that
TH believe Jeff will have some subset of clear which will not be completed tonight
MT When will the tree be clear enough for the Java people to start checking in
Hes gonna pull hes doing merge and then after the merge hes gonna do
check in
break
Ml Well there was some question about how who was saying this and how...how
true all this was This is the way...it has to be something where you cant you
could not reverse engineer and figure out what their decal was Were in
discussion about this right now Lloyds proposal is to concentrate on making the
right thing which is something that is shippable and ship and apology on 331
jI\ .t-
LT That code we can say/Lib license and then well send you the patches and
you..
break
If we decide thats what were going to do As soon as we make the decision then
MT All right
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....3
Becausethatwasone...f
4-
JZ Thats not very good answer because when we ship that apology there should be
date..
MT No and whos gonna work on that now until the end of this quarter mean the
reason its not done now is theres no one to work on it are not going to
People
you Im just showing you the lunacy of doing that again right it was
an exercise right...if we dont ship the mail source on 331 we have lied no were
in damage control mode If we tell them were sony were going to ship the mail
source little bit later weve already lied to them we have to tell them how much
All right then how do you quantify that is it uh sometime later this next quarter
MT If youre asking me right now given the state of the universe right now wouldnt
break
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LT If you want the source well give you the source but youre going to have to pay
Im sorry...we
cant do anything about it
right now And were working to rectify
JZ The point is we fucked up by saying were going to give you the source to
Netscape Communicator We said that We didnt say youre gonna have to pay
Neo-access to get the source to Netscape Communicator we said were giving you
JZ By telling them that they have to pay NEO access before they can get the code
Were being very explicit about saying were...releasing the source for third parties
to which we have the right to release that and this is the third party we dont have
dont think so think weve been very explicit about what been telling people
JZ No promise you this is not the case We said communicator and theyre not
getting line of source code that has anything to do with E-mail from us unless
JZ Right
0q/6 i3O6
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discuss it in that context Now we can screw up about delivering and we can find
MT But you need to look at this from the outside world The outside world..
about it Im telling it to you in these tenns because this is what the public reaction
will be guarantee it
Because people explicitly asked us are you shipping Java and we said No were
probably not theres big problem and they said are you shipping just the
read communicator
my lips
just shows why we cant ship the source This is where we can ship the
it
says
source
Ml OK..time out...weve now timed out on my imaginary allotted time for this
discussion
laughter
Yes will take the Neo-access database out of the source code laughter
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particularly important point that is not clear yet at least dont know what the
consciously but right now dont understand the plan thats being proposed urn
think to talk about that some more...and whether or not were going to
say anything
JZ Version number for what what exactly are you about are
talking you talking
TH No the source
The question is...were going to release the source and on the thing it said this is
uh..
thing with the date rather than version number you know were giving away
Source 98..
general laughter
Then it would ship to the year 2000 laughter wed have to call it source 96 in
set ourselves up surprising people with the 4x road map 4x products later and
whats the right balancing act there so we disclose the amount of information
right
MT would really like to never ever hear about that class of problem
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MI In terms of were trying to make source code that we can give away fro free and
they...the bits are right and Im not worried about what name all the bits have
so that we should up with the bits or the 406 bits its not oh well whats
LT It also gives us lingo to post to the news groups and things like that
Mt So wheres the
key point off of this page
break
Mt Everybody and everybody and when say everybody mean everybody needs to
means when you sign etc etc so we can walk out and after that we can start
beating up on people to make them sign and they dont what the heck
say signing
is that
MT To me these are the two most important things to come out of this meeting is we all
those two
gonna make sure
that and
agree things are happening youre in whatever
your universes are that we support that effort right And tomorrow at 130 if the
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Define small
JC Are you going to send mail to people who have bugs assigned to them
\Vhat time is it
MT 420pm
of 23 qz i7
TH have on
my list of to have 12 bugs that we care about by Friday we have
narrowed it down that much what do you look like The rest of these are place
DM Well the problem is Ive got all the noise from Jeff on it.
TH From Weinstein
TH Well have status on those tonight right for most of those for all but some
handful..
DM Yeah Im looking at
probably 15 or 16 on my list
about by Friday is
MT 59 Im looking at it
right now
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DM 59
go 59
TH Right
break
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conversation
general post meeting
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and
is what is Mozilla.orgS piece
Well think that what we want to separate
Ivif Correct
have versioning
why we dont want to any
Right which is
look we want to
have close the loop with him and say
Thats fine think we just
to
its
do source code release
make sure that this is youre gonna every time you
an archive of whats
is on Mozilla.org as
based date and refer to
gonna be on you
released do it
by date as well
been you
be there
Jamie should be there an Michael Toy should
Jamie and..
to
So dont know if you need meeting say yes
Thats fine
and..
Yes is client engine
influence over
me the extent that we want to exert
CPB .decision that to to
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to convince the web that this is
we need to be able
Netscapes direction is and
like else
Just everybody
good thing
Correct
but
need source road map internally
And those are two different thing...we
out already
Because we have that laid
Right we have...
we have
he doesnt see that
Right and we
have that he just says in my messages
of Net code
while were doing parallel development
-T
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of
will will give them a-rthrdirectiOn
source code release
mix it
up with the
conversation
general
together
.._ .6 pc
fear is well we can make it more of an aurornnouncement
guess my only
break
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Ml Its somewhere between better than the worst and not below my expectations
mean though we could have been lot closer than we ended up but it feels like
the wheels are moving rather than you know spinning in mud so you know
tomorrow we measure how true peoples statement were when they said oh yeah
Ill be done tomorrow so if that was basically true well be OK if that was
basically wasnt true then we need to find bigger hammers or more bodies or
something ut
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