There' s 2 or 3 that should have been. But there wasn't a drag queen in the group. AndI don't know about the rest of them, but I wasn't confused. I was there for the rough sex.But many of the others were there because they wanted to be around "real men", that'sin quotes, and so they wore drag too, it was just different. It was leather. K? Theydidn't know what it meant. But I spent a lot of time learning. Do you know whatDrummer Magazine is? Ok, Drummer was a national BDSM gay male magazine, andyou could advertise in it. Now this is in the mid 70s, you didn't dare do it until the postoffice changed their regulation. There was a time when you could not solicit anythinglike that through the mail, and so it was a very difficult thing, but that's before my time.Larry Nelson and I ran ads in Drummer, and we brought people in from all over thecountry. I have all 450 responses to that add. still have them. And I learned almostexclusively one boy at a time, on how to be a Leatherman, because there was nothinghere to teach me. I went to runs, I always sought out the guy who knew, and I watched,and I asked questions. That's how I learned. Now of course there's all kinds of things,all kinds of places you can learn, off the net. For whatever that's worth. And it's notworth much.You get on the net, you run across the adds; I am Master Dragon Breath, you willfall down and worship me. That's what a delete key on a computer is for. Cause theydon't know. There are a few people on the net who do know. I can give you theirnames, and they're all over the place. Joseph W. Bean, Guy Baldwin; Bean's in Hawaii,Guy Baldwin's in Los Angeles, Slave Master, his name is Michael Dodd, he's in Vegas,Sybil Holiday, San Francisco, Midori, San Francisco, those people I know personally, infact Midori gave me that big red plate up there. She snooped around and found out wecollect ruby glass, and so she bought that. But those are people that I know. I don'tknow Joseph W Bean very well, but I will know him after January, I'm going to Hawaii.These are people who really know.They've done a fairly good job of teaching, but they don't teach like I teach. Iused to teach, I guess I'd better say that I've retired more or less from that. But therewas a thing called the Journeymen 3 Academy, and it’s 18 months long. And the peoplewho have graduate from that, they know their shit. And that's all I could do. Was teach.So I did. And I brought those people in. Guy Baldwin, Joseph, Sybil Holiday, Midori,Slave Master, you know, I brought them in, I brought them here. And you can find outon the net. Slave Master has stuff on there about his trip here, and he's been here 3 or4 times, but his very first one, it's on there. Sybil Holiday, Carol Queen has stuff on thenet from when she came. You don't know Carol Queen? She wrote,
The Leather Daddy and the Femme
, amongst other books. And that is a book by Midori?
She wrote in her last book about her experience here. Since then, it has spreadto San Francisco, and we now teach those 18 months in San Francisco too. But thePath is different. The Path is techno-weeny stuff. You know what I mean by techno-weenie? Hit here, not here. iI's not safe to hit here. Techno-weenie. Journeymen 3,they've changed the name to leather quest. the leather quest teaches the magic ofBDSM. And I almost saw a smile on your face, because that's… I've been in it a long