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Richard Teerlink and Paul Trane – Part 2

Richard Teerlink and Paul Trane – Part 2

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Richard Teerlink and Paul Trane  Part 2Date of interview
Paul: I wasnt totally out but I was out enough that  do whatever you want, I dont care. But they claim, its helped my vision. I cant tell that its done that muchdifference. They say its better
Richard: And the doctor got paid.
 And yeah thats for sure. So, at least I didnt have to get new glasses yet. And Ive got cataracts that Ive got to deal with soon. Its the problems with getting old. But, its alot better than it was for my grand parents. I remember my grandmother had cataract operation and had her layin in a bed up at LDS hospital for four or five days, just like this and couldnt hardly blink because it was so if people moved, itd cause problems. But now, you can go in and have them done in the mall! The wonders. Ready to roll? 
Jeremy: Well, welcome back! Lets get right into it. Lets talk about how youtwo met each other.
ell, shoot its through Nick friend
came out to one person at school.
t was a very scary situation. He set my gaydaroff, but 
didnt know. So
came out to him. He waited a day before he came out tome, which made me very uncomfortable for a while; and
thought, wow,
dont know about being exposed at school, because schoolteachers could lose their jobsin those days. But we shared and eventually Loren and
became very good friendsbecause were two schoolteachers in the same school and at least theres someoneto talk to.
 And you car-pooled 
Yeah, and we car-pooled together. Later on in life, he was looking for a partner andso was
. There was another person that Paul worked with  and you can talk about her  she and Paul had dinner together and he came out to her, and then she said,Paul,
have a friend who you might like. So, got him in touch with Loren,and then Loren said, 
ve got someone whos just right for you and hisnames Richard.
ell, he said, youve got a lot in common, 
Yeah, we have a lot in common. So we walked around Red Butte Garden for a whileand then Loren left us and for us to get acquainted; and then a year later, we wereshacked-up together.
ell, were married in Californa. Remember that! 
o youre not living in sin. And when, approximately, did this happen?
I came out to Marilyn who was a social worker I had employed, and I was a principal at the time; I had changed careers in the same district. But I came out to her and shewas very surprised and amazed. I thought she knew; I thought she picked it up, but shewas really just sort of stunned. She was a lesbian and lived with a companion  a partner. So that was an interesting experience. About two weeks later, she called and asked if Id like to come to dinner  there are good cooks. And I said sure! So I went and Loren was there  thats how we met. And then a couple weeks later he called and said, I have a friend, Richard Teerlink, we work together out at Kearns, and you twohave a lot in common. And I knew him through more than the gay thing; it was past Mormon families: children, grandchildren, the whole business  lots of baggage. And I said sure! It was September of 92, we went up to the Red Butte Gardens and it was abeautiful day.
e walked around and thats how it all got started! 
And do you think that the relationship wouldve worked if we didnt have similarbackground?
think that a partner who did not have children or grandchildren orMormonism, that theyd be fed up with all the stuff that we pack around. And of course now we have a lot to do with our children and grandchildren today. So
mpatient with Pauls family and hes patient with mine, and so it works just fine.
In fact, my oldest son and his present girlfriend were here yesterday; I havent seenMike in months and I may not see him again; its that kind of relationship.
e had a good visit and sort of caught up and cant believe hes only forty-five  no youngster,but to me, hes still my boy.
o you went to
alifornia to get married. What was  when did that happen?
 AH. Okay, let me tell you that because it deals again with my family. I had fivechildren, one boy passed away, so there are four living. And my second daughter went through a very difficult divorce  she lived in Las Vegas. To make a long story short,she went on a cruise and met this guy, and they call it the love boat, because they really fell in love. He had his mother and family and Barbara was there with her mother and my ex-wife. So it all got really cozy. But anyway, they decided that theyd had to be together, so he was in
 yoming doing land management and that kind of stuff and he left and moved on to Vegas, so he could be close to Barbara, where shelived. Anyway, they decided theyd get married in Ventura, where his sister and brother-in-law had a big, beautiful home and yard. So we went down in June of 08and it was fun to be able to be with them when they were married.
hen they weremarried in the temple, I think I mentioned before, they wouldnt let me in, so I didnt see any of the ceremony, but I got to be at the reception. But anyway, on the way home from Ventura, Dick and I were seeing Yosemite and we thought, oh, lets go that way, it was in June. As we were driving into Yosemite, we saw this little town called,Mariposa, and it was the county seat.
saw that on the map.
Yeah, he saw it and then we saw some signs: Courthouse; and it was so small that right as you walked in you were there. Lets go check! I said, I bet they haveresidency requirements, theres no way theyre gonna let us get married. 
ell, they didnt! They talked to us, gave us some forms, told us to think it over and we eloped!  And got married that morning. Very informal; we were in shorts and t-shirts. And  part of the reason we did it; we wanted to be part of those  in terms of the numbers of those who took advantage of that. But of course, we were hoping that Proposition 8would fail; but it didnt. But the courts rules were that the people who had beenmarried were still married in California. So, thats how that all came about. But whenwe got to Utah, thats it  back to living in sin.
o, what was it about contributing to those numbers that you felt was important?
think the numbers are important because we went to court a second time and stillwasnt going to allow this; they took into account how many had 
think it wasabout 18,000 couples  and so we were two of the couples that were on the list. Wereally did think about expanding those numbers so they had a better argument, if it did, indeed, it went that way, and it did. So, here we go. But, we were also joininginto the protest after Proposition 8 and marched around the temple grounds andthat felt good.
ell, after we retired, not while we were still working, but just after, we went toCalifornia, Laguna Beach, and got these wedding bands, these rings, and went back toRed Butte Gardens and exchanged the rings; and then we got married in
ashingtonD.C., just prior to a march in 2000, in front of Father Abraham, on the steps of theLincoln memoriam. That was very moving. There were about 3,000 couples and I had sort of facetiously said that we couldnt get married, so wed just do it often. But now,we really are married. Not just in California, but in five other states, I think. But, Utahwould be the very last of the fifty.
t will be the most meaningful, right, when it finally happens here?
Yes it will.
t will be.
t will be quite an event.
Kicking and screaming.
notice that you guys wear your wedding ring on your right hand. Wannatell us
When we bought the rings, we just asked the jeweler, is it generally a custom forgay men to wear their bands on their right hands? And he said, from what 
veobserved, about 90% wear them on their right hand, just so people can see that thisis a different kind of marriage from what most people have. Of course, its veryrevelatory: people can simply look at your hand they can know your sexual identity;so it does that  its an announcement.
t really is. Our rings match, so they knowthat were a couple.

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